From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #739 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 739 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) ["Valerie Jones" ] pic of the Britney Spears Tshirt! [acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78)] another too-tiard slip-o-the-tounge [shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe)] Re: Misplaced [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: Don Dixon ["VINCENT G. CICILLINI" ] Re: I need your help on finding killer tents [dopeytoo ] Re: another too-tiard slip-o-the-tounge [dopeytoo ] Chad, thanks for the FAQ [trace@fruhead.com (Trace)] Re: (Directions to columbia lakefront) OT but musical at least [Terry Smi] Re: (Directions to columbia lakefront) OT but musical at least [Terry Smi] Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions [luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria)] re: NYE and NYD [CheesemonkeyGem ] Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions [cookie ] Re: Does it scare anyone else .... [cookie ] New Frudegreen [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] re: NYE and NYD [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) [vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Canadian Release... [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions [vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin)] Re: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff [Geenius at Wrok ] Re: DIRECTIONS TO HARBOURFRONT [Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.] Re: OT: chad alleges Trace and Lori get lost easily [Veronica J Gruneberg] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Aug 1999 04:28:22 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions >Ok, I've listened to the CD a few times now (in the car. A headphone >listening is >needed and yet to come. I've also read a lot of what various people have >said >already about the new album. Warning: what follows is highly subjective. i have only one short thing to say hear (gasp!) and that is "Way To Go (tm) A.J." that was the best representation of my thoughts on thornhill that i have seen. mwa! solem genna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:01:38 GMT From: "Valerie Jones" Subject: Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) here's my take on what happened during the intro. jian starts to tell the story of a relationship that failed, what, like 6 years ago or something? think back 6 years in your own lives and try to bring back the pain you felt at the time ... pretty hard, huh? i mean, it's just not there, unless you think really really hard, and actually want to torture yourself with feelings better left in the past. ok, anyway, jian tells the story in a joking kind of tone. (to relate: i say i gave my boyfriend "his walking papers" ... now what the hell does that mean? i don't even know. but i say it because it's a whole lot easier than talking about the pain of realizing it was going all wrong, pleading for both of us to work things out, and the loss of the final break.) i think jian just told a really old story and maybe he was in a silly mood at the time. *however*! ~ he shouldn't have been too surprised to illicit a sound round of hisses and boos from the audience when he admitted he dumped her on her birthday. (to which murray ad-libbed "happy birthday baby, did you like your present?" LOL!) so we didn't get a dramatic monologue before the song ... but we did get a beautiful song. > So Jian, in an attempt to bring folks he already *knows* are really into the band > and the music, decides to give the audience more than the obvious. I think it's > very open of him. (Unless he made the whole thing up, in which case... what a > great story.) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 04:53:08 GMT From: acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78) Subject: pic of the Britney Spears Tshirt! I'm in the midst of making a Nields collage, and I found a pic of Nerissa singing at FRFF. Jian's in the background, playing tambourine and wearing the infamous Tshirt. It's at http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Garden/3646/frffnnwkshp2.jpg Enjoy, Carey ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 04:58:09 GMT From: shadoeme@aol.com (ShadoeMe) Subject: another too-tiard slip-o-the-tounge remember the post not long ago about mistakes we make singing songs when were too tiard to be singing? well to top my "toothpaste leaves a strange taste"... I was listening to _thornhill_ - Cant be To Carefull comes on. i mix some lines... it comes out "so your dying for a fairytale romance, but your ashamed of your equiptment" ouch... solem genna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:36:04 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Misplaced Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.moxy-fruvous: 23-Aug-99 Re: Misplaced by "A.J. LoCicero"@wwnet.co > think they've ever played Entropy live. > I think that is it actually. Other than those, Morphee, and Hate Letter I've heard someone make reference to hearing Morphee live many years ago, so unless they were hallucinating, it's been played. and they did a bit of Entropy in Cleveland last fall, and they had a "live arrangement" of it, which led me to believe that they at least knew how to play it or were just very good at remembering it on the spot... :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:01:10 GMT From: "VINCENT G. CICILLINI" Subject: Re: Don Dixon (this was some "gee-wow" gushing i did about a month ago ... sorry for the youthful exuberance ...) on a side note, and i withheld posting this earlier, the producer for the frufour's latest is no other than ... don dixon! (i know the question, "who is that?") i was pretty jazzed when i found this out, but did not want to gush about this online. the guy is just amazing! he is a multi-instrumentalist and vocalist with an incredibly soulful voice. if you can find it, his cover of "when a man loves a woman," crushes michael bolton's like a grape, and gives the original, percy sledge's take a serious run for the money.) his own solo work is mostly out of print, sadly. three releases were on the doomed enigma label, (_most of the girls like to dance, but only some of the boys do_, _romeo at juiliard_, and _EEE_,) two were on the restless label, (_chi-town budget show_ and _if i'm a ham, then you're a sausage_) and one on the sugar hill label, (_romantic depressive_). he helped produce and engineer r.e.m.'s first two albums, _murmur_ and _reckoning_, along with mitch easter. he also produced the smithereens' full-length debut, _especially for you_, and the sophomore effort, _green thoughts_, on enigma, and _a date with the smithereens, on rca. he has produced his wife, marti jones, on a number of recordings, as well. (check out http://www.dreamscape.com/truejim/ddmj for more information.) she is an amzaing singer-songwriter also! 8-) he has produced others as well, too numerous or obscure to list, (though another athens, georgia, band comes to mind: guadalcanal diary). he is a very down-to-earth producer. the bands' work sounds like their own, not as seen through somebody else's eyes. he tends to know when (and what) to add or subtract from the mix. _thornhill_ should really benefit from this collaboration. it would be cool if this were _the_ album to do it. (again, pardon the enthusiasm. just another fan-boy trying to convert the masses ... moxy wishes and fruvous dreams! ciao--vc) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:32:27 -0400 From: dopeytoo Subject: Re: I need your help on finding killer tents Jill Hufnagel wrote: > > I don't know if it is going > to be on the FRFF CD either nope, not this one.... i emailed the frff people and got this response: "Sorry, it is all selected and includes years 95, 96, 97 but we plan to keep doing them, the tent song is in the can." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:58:04 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Misplaced Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > > Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.moxy-fruvous: 23-Aug-99 Re: Misplaced by > "A.J. LoCicero"@wwnet.co > > think they've ever played Entropy live. > > I think that is it actually. Other than those, Morphee, and Hate Letter > > I've heard someone make reference to hearing Morphee live many years > ago, so unless they were hallucinating, it's been played. and they did > a bit of Entropy in Cleveland last fall, and they had a "live > arrangement" of it, which led me to believe that they at least knew how > to play it or were just very good at remembering it on the spot... :) Ah but Lawrence, I didn't say they had never played Morphee. I said I'd never heard it. Reread my post. So far as I'm told they played all the Bargainville songs during the Bargainville tour. I'd find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have played Morphee when in Quebec when there was no Nuits de Reve to play instead. As for Entropy, a tease doesn't count. A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:58:09 -0400 From: dopeytoo Subject: Re: another too-tiard slip-o-the-tounge ShadoeMe wrote: > > "so your dying for a fairytale romance, but your ashamed of your equiptment" > i've been singing that since i first heard the song.... only partly by accident ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:22:59 GMT From: trace@fruhead.com (Trace) Subject: Chad, thanks for the FAQ I just wanted to extend my thanks to Chad for his stellar work on the FAQ, and to ceecee for laying down and maintaining the foundation upon which the present incarnation was built. Your time and efforts are appreciated. Kudos to you both. For once, completely serious and definitely on-topic, - -- Trace trace@fruhead.com "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:28:27 GMT From: Terry Smith Subject: Re: (Directions to columbia lakefront) OT but musical at least Take 95 north (or south, I guess I don't know where either of you are coming from). This may require some westbound action from 29 onto Rt. 32. Take 175 West, which goes right past the lakefront (175 becomes Little Patuxent Parkway), and completely avoids the Merriweather traffic! - -Terry (maryland fruhead, who managed to lurk for, oh, 15 minutes b4 piping up) - ------------------------< http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~terry >---------- Terry A. Smith \ Celui que tient la peur de devinir nuage \_________________________________________ U of MD, Baltimore County : Computer Science/Int'l Relations TRW Maryland Engineering Lab: Space and Defense Division #include "ellen p. buckley" wrote: > > Wbsmiles wrote: > > > > See you there Ellen! Any hints on the best way to the Lakefront to > > avoid the Merriwether traffic (Tori Amos and Alanis)? Thanks! > > oh dear god, please tell me you're kidding. i had no idea. > > *sigh* if i knew you had a bike, i'd say come and park at my house and > we'll ride bikes there. ;) > > hmmmm well what i usually do for lakefront shows is park in one of the > lots off to the side of what used to be the columbia inn (it's a > sheraton now, i think). sterrett pl would be the place to turn in off > little patuxent pkway. but as for getting around merriweather post > traffic... yeesh, that's going to suck. if i think of something good > tomorrow, i'll let you know. > > peace, > ellen > ****************************************** > Airborne with nothing to land on... - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:13:33 GMT From: Terry Smith Subject: Re: (Directions to columbia lakefront) OT but musical at least Sorry- I just read my own post, and aside from not remembering I posted it an hour ago, I have no idea what I was saying... Let me paraphrase, en anglais: "if you take route 175 west from I-95, you'll get to the lakefront without having to dodge tori/alanis traffic going to merriweather off of route 29" It would be worth any sidetracking you have to do to get to I-95. Merriweather traffic off of 29 is the worst. Thank you, thank you... > -Terry (maryland fruhead, who managed to lurk for, oh, 15 minutes b4 > piping up) > > ------------------------< http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~terry >---------- > Terry A. Smith \ Celui que tient la peur de devinir nuage > \_________________________________________ > U of MD, Baltimore County : Computer Science/Int'l Relations > TRW Maryland Engineering Lab: Space and Defense Division > #include > > "ellen p. buckley" wrote: > > > > Wbsmiles wrote: > > > > > > See you there Ellen! Any hints on the best way to the Lakefront to > > > avoid the Merriwether traffic (Tori Amos and Alanis)? Thanks! > > ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 08:19:36 GMT From: luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria) Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions >Bonus Track >I think there really really should have been one. This album is awfully >short by >current standards as it is, and I think anything this conceptual and heavy >needs >something to "take the piss" (as the English say) at the end. If they wanted >to save >Pisco, I can understand that, but still I think something is needed here to >do what >Organ Grinder does on wood. Hmmm. I really dislike Organ Grinder on wood. Instead of "taking the piss" away from wood, it seems to take away the message of it. To me, wood is a wonderful album expressing some serious emotions by the lads, but then the lads decided that it was too serious, so they added Organ Grinder at the end. It breaks the whole mood of the album. Granted, they set it off as a bonus track, but it's like being awakened from a dream by a bright light. I think the same would have happened (to me) if they put a bonus track such as Pisco on Thornhill. I don't think I could handle hearing Pisco after MPG. Two minutes or not. maria ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ "Oh shut up! I don't care about your grammar when I'm just babbling! --Cheesemonkey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:54:59 GMT From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: re: NYE and NYD cookie humoured us with: >But, isn't the world going to end at midnight? I've >decided when the >comet hits the earth (or however the end arrives,) I'm >going to be >hanging off a lamppost with a bottle of Moet in my >hand while kissing >the cutest guy (or two) in the immediate >vicinity--whomever that may >be! >Wheeeeeeeeee! hahahahaha that sounds like a plan to me! only instead of Moet (whatever the hell that is) hit me with the Captain [Morgan]instead! It is interesting to me that some people in the world really, seriously beleive the world will end on new years (not that i think anyone HERE who has joked about it does). Anyone see the Simpson's episode where they find the "angel" skeleton and the whole town starts to believe The End Is Near, only to find out it is simply some publicity hoax? well, i can just imagine something like that happening on new years eve... imagine the publicity!! whatever product the stunt would be for, no one would ever forget something like that in a million years. and that course of action for advertising wouldnt be too far from the present system: isnt the world of advertising designed to play on our fears and weaknesses? i think its an evil, brilliant marketing ploy! Does anyone know Nike's main office number? excuse me... - -jen, who is feeling a certain degree of snarkiness herself :) === __________________________________________________________ If at first you don't succeed... skydiving is not for you. __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:39:44 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions A.J. LoCicero wrote: > > As I said before I think it > is a horrible mistake to make this the first single. It it too soft for a lot of > stations, and I think it it just too damn straight (not sexually but in terms of > quirkiness) to truly represent Fruvous. I got this far and stopped reading. (Sorry, but I'm about 20 hours into a 70-hour week, and I'm already tired.) I just wanted to say that I felt exactly the same way the first time I heard "Closing Time" by Semisonic. I felt it was too poppy, the lyrics weren't terribly strong, and it didn't showcase the band's strengths well. I thought it was a horrible choice for a single, but obviously, I was wrong. I guess that's why I'm not working at a record label. (Good thing, eh?) Cookie This is a terrible place to come when one is trying not to procrastinate. It's kind of like looking up a word in the dictionary, and the next thing you know, it's 1/2 hour later, and you forgot what the original word was you wanted. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:20:56 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: Does it scare anyone else .... RChappo wrote: > > Mmmm...Interesting! > you should try living in England..the radio here sucks!!! I'm so glad the locals feel that way! When I was there (way back in '90,) my sister and I ended up spending about $30 for a Fleetwood Mac cassette tape at some truck stop between Liverpool and Stratford because we couldn't stand the music on the radio in the car. We picked "Rumors" because that was the only tape for sale that we both decided we could tolerate for a week. To this day, hearing "Second Hand News" reminds me of Exeter, "You Make Loving Fun," brings back my first view of the Tor in Glastonbury, and "Don't Stop" is the bloody London freeway at 10:30 p.m. on the way to Gatwick with no petrol, and not an exit for miles. (We somehow managed to get off the freeway and find a petrol station, afterwhich I--being rather stressed out from being with my sister for a week solid, thank you very much--pulled onto the wrong side of the road for the first time and almost had a head-on collision. At that point, we wisely decided it was time to have a beer and find a place to sleep for the night, so we did.) We're currently discussing a trip back to Europe, and *maybe* Africa? (I hope!) It only took us 9 years to realize we actually had a great time traveling together. Boy, I've been rather chatty this week. Sorry to bore you. I really need to get more sleep, I think. However, it's summer, and that's the busy season for me. Delirium is pretty much my normality until about mid-September. Cookie Please accept my apologies for my rambling, but I ain't gettin' out much these days... ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:21:14 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: New Frudegreen May I share this one briefly, if only because this is how I sing it now ... Dana said she thought the lyrics to "Lazy Boy" were: "I take calls in the bathtub, it's cellulite" ... QL ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:22:05 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: re: NYE and NYD Okay, if anyone can prove to me without a doubt that the world is going to end at midnight that night, then I'll get my ass to the Tralf. QL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:28:21 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Ramshead and stuff (long) Donna Hunt said: >I feel that "Misplaced" is pretty obviously about what Jian said it was about. >I've always thought the song was about a relationship that distance pretty much >destroyed; between the lines "Distance was the accomplice that saw me lose" and "I >was out in the field, collecting strength for my shield, and I misplaced what made >me real" I think it's awfully clear. Huh. I've always thought that that second quote had more to do with putting up shields - walls - in defense from the [often cruel] outside world, and inadvertently (or maybe on purpose?) including your loved one in the ranks of the outside world. Those kinds of relationships don't usually last terribly long. Talk about different perceptions of the same lyrics. :) - -v, whose perception of the whole song still hinges on those two lines Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "Great, I'm a landmark now." -FatherO ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:49:13 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Canadian Release... Again, I love it when I'm right! :) Tommorrow at 8:30 is when the Mix99.9 Beachfest artists are announced. Hmm... I wonder who the next artist to be announced is going to be?... :) And the Mix is already playing the single (or so I'm told!) I listen to the Mix at my desk all day, and I've yet to hear it, but my aunt has heard it a bunch of times. :) Veronica (goin' to HMV at lunch time, but *forgot* my portable CD player! ARGH! Cruel fate! No CD ROM on my machine! ERK!) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:59:30 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: A.J.'s Thornhill Impressions "A.J. LoCicero" said: >Hate Letter >This kind of music is not my cup of tea stylistically, but listening to it, it is >very very cool. It is going to take a bunch of listens through headphones for me to >get even a partial sense of the totality of it. Hate Letter is one of my newly-favorite Fruvous songs in general. But I do think that it could've been mixed much better. That's really my only technical gripe with Thornhill (which I love) - it's next to impossible to hear some of the words in the song. That might've been what the guys wanted, but if that's the case, why put the lyrics in a song at all? It gets very frustrating, having to strain to hear the song for the whole of its duration. - -v Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "Great, I'm a landmark now." -FatherO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:52:09 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Valerie Jones wrote: > if i had a man who wrote songs like that for me, i'd tell him to keep on > touring if that's what it takes to get the love. look around ... the > world's full of miserable relationships ... maybe everybody should live > apart 200 days of the years and there'd be a lot more romance goin' on. ;) As a happily married guy who's been living unhappily apart from his beloved since the end of May because of a botched relocation, I say that - -nobody- should go through that unless they absolutely have to. Anyone wanna buy a 1,300-square-foot house in Albany, N.Y., for less per month than the rent on a two-bedroom apartment? - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:06:40 GMT From: saphiracat@birdlover.com Subject: Re: I only you knew...was Re: Ramshead and stuff ---- you wrote: > ellen said- > > >as an aside, the misplaced story was another example of me feeling like i > >know a little more about this band than i really want to (the classic one > >is IOYK-- i loved it when it was an occasional treat, but could never > >help feeling that i was reading an incredibly personal and intimate > >letter from a man to his wife... knowing who the two people are makes me > >feel a bit like an intruder, and hearing it all the time causes it to > >lose some of the intimacy, for me > > it's funny...i really really like this song. partly because it's *so* > personal. but, it is a bit *too* real. and when i think about it...i feel > really bad for mike. really bad for him. he seems happy. like he loves what > he does...but...then theres this song. > > doesn anyone else see this song as a foreshadowing of the demise of the moxy > fruvous quartet? proof that they are growing up...that mike needs to REALLY > settle down. > > so the sadness of this song is odd. on some level it's the sadness of any sad > song. it's honesty, it's lyrical artisty, it's musical beauty, make it an > increadably beautifyl work of art. but...knowing that it *is* honest, part of > me just wants to give mike a big warm hug and tell him to go home to > her...that it's ok to say goodbye...to us. which brings the OTHER level of > sadness. the really selfish sadness that fruvous is NOT going to be around for > ever because he *should* go home. i'm gonna miss them. > > i DO love this song. but it makes me feel guilty. > > solem > genna > I know what you mean. I don't think they could ever really go away though. Writing songs like these maybe theraputic for them. Why give up something positive that helps you cope? Moxy Fruvous may just take a break for a while. Stop touring a bit, maybe longer spaces between albums, but probably keep on writing. It seems like they love the business to much to stop now. I'm only guessing here, but it's what I think. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:27:19 GMT From: "Jill Hufnagel" Subject: Happy Thornhillday. Hey Happy Thornhillday to all the Canadian Fru...Your day has come. Well hope you enjoy:) **Jiel** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:57:17 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: DIRECTIONS TO HARBOURFRONT LOL!! Fiona!! I can't believe you're sending people to Hanlon's Point! :) FYI - if you're asking for directions, be sure to pronounce Quay as "Key". I guarantee they will laugh if you don't - I've seen it happen. Plus, no one has any idea what your talking about! :) But yeah, check out all of the Quays while you're down there. They're pretty cool. Or, come to the intersection of Yonge and Front, stand facing north, turn to your left and wave to Fiona's building, then turn to the right and wave to mine! ;) :) Veronica (ahh... directions in a city that makes sense... ;) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:01:38 GMT From: Veronica J Gruneberg <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: OT: chad alleges Trace and Lori get lost easily I do indeed take 81/83 down from Kingston. And I stayed on 95 the last time I took the stinkin' trip, and wound up driving through NYC (very pretty by night), Ho Ho Kus NJ *3 times* before finally winding up in Conneticut and realizing that we were beyond hopelessly lost. Turned a nice, 8 hour drive into a 15 hour nightmare! :) Oh well, it's a fun story to tell. And I've got the highway bit figured out. Now to master the city so I don't wind up lost on the SE side, or in Fairfax when I'm looking for Arlington! ;) :) Veronica (I can read a map - I really can!! :) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #739 ********************************************