From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #697 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, August 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 697 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: It bwoke, mommy! ["Cameron Ross" ] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill ["VINCENT G. CICILLINI" ] Re: This used to be the on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' until Trace hijacked it for nefarious purpos [] Re: Live Request Song Poll result ["Novac" ] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice)] Re: Sad today (again) [Chad Maloney ] Re: This used to be the on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' until Trace hijacked it for nefarious purpos [] Re: This used to be the on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' until Trace hijacked it for nefarious p [srm9988n@aol.] Re: This used to be the on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' until Trace hijacked it for nefarious purpos [] Re: Chicago show [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash)] looking for someone who was at the Milestones show [jporcell@us.ibm.com] Re: Bar concerts... [LSan497884@aol.com] This used to be.......... [LSan497884@aol.com] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [Chad Maloney ] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [Chad Maloney ] Re: Happy Burfday Sara! [FruKid ] Re: DEBS GROUNDED FOR LIFE FROM FRUVOUS?!??! [fruchild@my-deja.com] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [murmbeetle@my-deja.com] hehehe....let's see if this works, eh? [SkyStar117@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:54 GMT From: "Cameron Ross" Subject: Re: It bwoke, mommy! > My posts aren't working, are they? Nope, I didn't get this post Life101 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:15:37 GMT From: "VINCENT G. CICILLINI" Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Dorky Spice wrote: > Actually, yes. Actually, I've also found myself spontaneously dancing (as > well as smiling and crying) while just having some of its songs running > through my head, not even listening to the album. > > But that's just me. > k@ i feel the same way, k@. this is a pretty neat collection of songs. there is a definite "feel" to the album. it's easy to smile at one song, and get misty at the next. ( <-- now that i'm looking at this, the same could be said for the lyrics in a single song. ) _thornhill_ can be a very emotional album, at times. i like that. 8-) ciao--vc (aka sappyfru) __________________________________________________ "and the people came around on independence day. and the children let go their balloons and flew away." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:36 GMT From: vika@fruhead.com (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill dopeytoo delighted us with: >if someone had never heard moxy fruvous, would you give them thornhill >to get them hooked? just wondering..... Good question. I personally wouldn't. But then, I'd have a hard time picking any one album to get someone hooked on Fruvous. I know people who would eat Live Noise up (upupupup), but I know others who, having never heard Fruvous before, would think that they were moderately-talented show-offs. (Mind you, this isn't my opinion, but not all of my friends would be of the same opinion.) To me, a good way to get someone hooked on Fruvous is to make them a mix tape of Frusongs that I think *that* person would like. Or just play them different tracks off of different CDs, as someone has already mentioned. - -v, almost late for work Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "What happened to the times when you knew everything [tour-dates-related] by heart?" - "I got a life." -from a conversation with a webmaster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:01:45 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: Chicago show This is great for those of you that fall into that age bracket--but I've been hoping for appearances out here in the hinterlands that both I and my daughter can attend and everything even close (Chicago Minneapolis etc) are all over eighteen. My daughter is only fourteen (fifteen by NYE) and excluded from most venues. That is really a bummer--can something come to a venue that is NOT a bar PLEASE *Lois (Fogeyfru) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:09:07 GMT From: "VINCENT G. CICILLINI" Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, dopeytoo wrote: > lots of bands have intricate harmonies, complex instrumentation, slick > guitars, etc., fruvous in particular.... > BUT in the past, i couldn't pick out each voice in the harmonies or hear > every instrument at once as i can on most of thornhill.... wow! i'm still trying to figure who's doing what on which song. i think i need a few more listenings. > i took one music theory class 6 years ago, i've never been trained as a > singer, but i can sing along with the backup vocals of pretty much every > song. that's never happened with fruvous before. could _thornhill_ have tighter harmonies, as opposed to other fruvous albums? also, sometimes it's the person's voice, and not just the harmony notes. two examples that come to mind: david crosby's harmony on phil collins', "another day in paradise," and james taylor's harmony on steve winwood's, "back in the high life." these voices make the harmony really work. > thornhill just seems too simplified to be fruvous' 6th album, after > almost a decade of collaboration. it seems to be a step back for them. i'm reminded of just how much r.e.m. has changed over ten years' time. as peter buck's guitar playing improved, mike mills' bass lines became less melodic and more fundamental and rhythmic. also, michael stipes' vocals used to be "in the mix." as time went on, he began to sing over the music. it's just natural that time will change a person's skill. those changes will be reflected in the music. _murmur_ isn't _document_, and _document_ isn't _monster_. for the record, i like all of r.e.m.'s output. i'm not saying that one particular period is/was better than another ... > just to confuse you, i love the album.... but that's because i know the > band, and i'd love (almost) anything they did. hey, it's all good! 8-) moxy wishes and fruvous dreams! ciao--vc __________________________________________________ "poor little fat cats. unique in all creation. my poor generation." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:21:26 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: C Album Predictions . . . I'm getting a kick out of the fact that Thornhill has _just_ come out and many are already speculating on songs that'll be on the next album and anticipating _its_ release *Lois (fogeyfru)--really frustrated about this keyboard and the fact that I can't use exclamation marks and uestion marks (or that missing letter...grrrr) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:27:21 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: It bwoke, mommy! Cameron Ross wrote: > > My posts aren't working, are they? > > Nope, I didn't get this post Jeez, you kids! How absolute the knave is! Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:12:38 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: This used to be the on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' until Trace hijacked it for nefarious purpos Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > It started as a shows-in-Maryland thread. It's STILL a shows-in-Maryland > thread -- we're just disputing whether Maryland is part of the Greater > Philadelphia area. Actually, *we*'re not disputing it, some misinformed > Marylanders are. As a former resident of the Northern Virginia area, and now having escaped from the east coast, I just have to say that... wow, east coast people are silly. :) Putting all their cities so close together and whatnot. Because really, as far as I can tell, everything between Washington and Boston is one gigantic city. So really, Philadelphia doesn't exist at all... :) - -- Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:53:22 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: Live Request Song Poll result GordonLew wrote in message <19990810013619.18389.00003000@ng-fg1.aol.com>... >I had asked what songs that Moxy doesn't normally perform would you like to >hear. These are the songs that got more than one reponse. > >The Hands down winner was: Drumroll please: > > "Jenny Washington" with 4 votes. I once made a formal JW request to Jian, getting a sincere "I'll see what we can do" reply. I'm sure they really would have performed it, but at the two shows I had requested (the Clinton shows) they do it at, MF performed full sets of EXTREMELY polished Thornhill material...I could tell they worked on those songs a LOT in the two-week interval. Jian apologized after the shows, but I let him off the hook. It was a good trade. The Thornhill songs had really made a great improvement in that time :) But now that the album is finished, PLAY JENNY W!!! :} - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:52:35 -0600 From: happygirl@fruhead.com (Dorky Spice) Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill In article <37B3B736.22EA@prodigy.net>, dopeytoo@prodigy.net says... > if someone had never heard moxy fruvous, would you give them thornhill > to get them hooked? just wondering..... Well, it worked for me yesterday. I was visiting my ex-office to tell a former coworker (& fellow Frühead since last October, same as me) I'd be going to some shows this week and offer to pick up a souvenir for her... I stopped by another former coworker's desk and got to talking about my travel plans, and about the band - she'd never heard of them. I showed her a couple of CDs I happened to have with me, and she immediately fell in love with Jian's picture (Well, she did. I'm just reporting the facts here). Then I played some of Thornhill for her, and she was greatly impressed. Her first comment: "They sound like the Beatles." She was also very taken with Dave's and Murray's voices, liked how they all took turns singing lead and how each had his own distinct sound and style, and agreed that If Only (my pick of the day) was very sweet. I played a little bit of YWGTTM also, and she was impressed at how all of their songs sounded different from one another. She said she's definitely gonna check out a show or two when they're in town next. Doing my part k@ - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:28:31 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Sad today (again) Zack Widup wrote: > > I stopped by Periscope Records today to pick up a copy of Thornhill and > they were closed! "Going Out Of Business"! What? Zack, why is it you only post with horrible news? Quit it. Quit it now. Periscope was a cool store. Sad to see the cool things in Chambana are going away. The Blind Pig, WebX possibly changing formats, and now Periscope. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:38:58 -0500 From: Josh Drury Subject: Re: This used to be the on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' until Trace hijacked it for nefarious purpos Lawrence P Solomon wrote: > > Because > really, as far as I can tell, everything between Washington and Boston is one > gigantic city. So really, Philadelphia doesn't exist at all... :) Ah yes... hearkening back to grade 7, learning of megalopolises... We learned to refer to that majestic stretch of steel and concrete as "BosNYWash", those three cities evidently having engulfed such insignificant locales as Hartford, Phila-something, and all of New Jersey. I learned it in Grade 7, so it must be right. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 15:30:28 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: This used to be the on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' until Trace hijacked it for nefarious p Trace said that Lawrence said: >>Putting all their cities so close together and whatnot. Because >>really, as far as I can tell, everything between Washington and Boston is >one >>gigantic city. So really, Philadelphia doesn't exist at all... :) > >So in effect, Philly really is center city! We're the heart of the >megalopolis Lori! Furthermore, Trace, recall last weekend's discussion while driving about The Greater Northeast? Yes, indeed, Philadelphia IS the Hub of the Universe. It's particle AND wave. It's matter AND antimatter. It simply IS, immutable, eternal, unity and embodiment of all that exists.... "kerplonk* Okay, Lori's back from her little journey into the ether ... >Surprised that anyone other than myself, Lori and chad is still >reading our pointless banter... Nothing surprises me 'round here. :) - -- Lori *************** And to think, it all started in New Jersey. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:06:47 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: This used to be the on-topic version of 'Re: whine whine whine' until Trace hijacked it for nefarious purpos On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:12:38 -0400, Lawrence P Solomon wrote: >As a former resident of the Northern Virginia area, and now having escaped >from the east coast, I just have to say that... wow, east coast people are >silly. :) I won't dispute that ;-) >Putting all their cities so close together and whatnot. Because >really, as far as I can tell, everything between Washington and Boston is one >gigantic city. So really, Philadelphia doesn't exist at all... :) So in effect, Philly really is center city! We're the heart of the megalopolis Lori! Surprised that anyone other than myself, Lori and chad is still reading our pointless banter... - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:59:15 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Chicago show On Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:01:45 GMT, LSan497884@aol.com wrote: >This is great for those of you that fall into that age bracket--but I've been >hoping for appearances out here in the hinterlands that both I and my >daughter can attend and everything even close (Chicago Minneapolis etc) are >all over eighteen. My daughter is only fourteen (fifteen by NYE) and >excluded from most venues. That is really a bummer--can something come to a >venue that is NOT a bar PLEASE Lois, It might not hurt to call the venues and ask if you could bring Maria with you. I've noticed that venues with 18+ age restrictions tend to be more ready to compromise than 21+ venues. Maybe this is because they are already using a stamp or some other identifying mark to separate those who can order alcohol from those who can't. Anyways, to sum up, I've noticed 18+ venues who've let in people under the age of 18, so it might be worth the call. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 15:51:15 GMT From: gordonlew@aol.com (Gordon Nash) Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill > >Agreed. But then again, there are things on Thornhill that aren't on >Bargainville. The lads have grown and diversified, and I would be >disappointed if they chose to simply revisit an old success But the point was that someone, I don't know who, it might have been you, said that Thornhill wasn't missing anything that we have come to expect from Fruvous. I'm not against them growing, I'm not against them diversifying. What I was critical of was the lack of diversity on Thornhill. I do like the album and have been requesting songs from it on Wfuv. I've heard them play songs, not my requests every day now. Feanole aka DrWhoFru ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:34:06 GMT From: jporcell@us.ibm.com Subject: looking for someone who was at the Milestones show Hey, While I was making balloon figures and generally enjoying myself at the Milestones show on 10 August a woman directed my attention to a young boy who seemed a bit out of sorts. I made him a balloon thingy and he seemed to brighten up a bit. To the one who directed me to this situation, thanks for pointing him out to me. If you hadn't done that, he would not have been able to give me that fantastic smile. peace, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:28:03 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: Re: Bar concerts... All this talk of bar concerts ... rude customers ... etc ... Just a couple of comments: A bar is a bar and you can expect to find smokers there -- it goes with the territory. The drunks and the smokers are to be expected -- just one more reason as far as I'm concerned to perform at places OTHER than bars (besides being able to bring under-eighteen fans to the shows. Annoyances (is that a word) aren't limited to the above however. At one of the Ark evenings someone next to me had a really bad case of BO. I wasn't sure I'd make it through the evening ... but after the band started to play I got into the music and didn't even notice it anymore. It may help to remember the reason you're at the concert and concentrate on that. Those annoying little things that bother us can disappear into the glow of the music. *Lois (Fogeyfru) (Besides if that person had to come directly from the job and didn't want to miss any of it , more power to him) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:41:21 GMT From: LSan497884@aol.com Subject: This used to be.......... Zaph says: "Because really, as far as I can tell, everything between Washington and Boston is one gigantic city. So really, Philadelphia doesn't exist at all... :)" And doesn't that cut out ALL of NYC ? *Lois (Fogeyfru) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:00:40 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill Gordon Nash wrote: > > > > >I'm intereated here. What's some of what makes fruvous fruvous that is > >missing from this album? > > > > > > The wicked sense of humor, Well, they still have that. Check out a live show. There's some humor in the songs, but not as much as many people would like. They are saving that for the "C" album is sounds like (in much the same way that Wood and "b" were paired). To me lyrical perfection doesn't have to be silly funny. Elvis Costello, the lyrical genius he is, doesn't get silly funny all that often. He does irony and word play as do a lot of the wordsmiths that influenced Fruvous. That's on the album and to me that shows their wicked sense of humor a bit. But it isn't blatant like it is in some older songs like Kick in the Ass. But to me, it's still there. > The party atmosphere. To me, the little in betweeen song screwing up around provides the party atmosphere. It sounds like they are having fun recording even they are probably meticulously gruelling over each and very word/note. > The devil take the hindmost attitude. Reading between the lines here, I get a feeling that means that you think they intentionally made a more bland pop sounding album. That they through away their "Who cares what the industry things, we are gonna make fun music" attitudes. Is it possible that this is fun music for them and they didn't make it to fill a market? The songs are still Fruvous to me and much deeper than most of the mainstream drivel people up everyday and it stil sounds to me like they are having their fun. But when recording they take the opposite attitude. They want the album to sound the best it can because it is pressed in plastic available for a long time to come. Some people's only Fruvous experiences are though the albums. They probably painstakingly discussed what they want out of the album and what they decided was, it seems, let's show off our influences and show everyone what we can! We'll write the best stuff we've ever written! If anything, that devil take the hindmost attitude is there because they released something new and different that maybe not everyone will like (including some die hard Fruheads that have been around since the dawn of time it seemed) because THEY liked it. > The adreniline pumping rhythms. To me, Half as Much, Earthquakes, and I Will Hold On capture this better than almost any other Fruvous song I've heard. When I first heard IWHO live, I was like "Damn, once they learn to play that, the rocking transition is gonna be incredible". Half as Much is my second favorite opener for a show (after Laika) and part of my favorite two song open (Half as Much into Laika *grin*). Splatter Splatter is pretty much Video Bargainville and that's Rhythmically interesting to me. And Hate Letter's melody has great rhythm to me. I agree that there are some more simple-based songs, but that's a function of the styles and influences of the album to me. Or when a song is kinda slow like Independence Day or Downsizing there could be a lot rhythmically going on, but it's not intended to be an adrenaline pumping thing. > When you hear Thornhill are you spontaneously dancing? I do that at every > fruvous show. I didn't twitch to Thornhill. 1) A Fruvous show is different than a studio album. They do different things fullfilling different business needs for the band 2) Boy, do I Will Hold On, Earthquakes, and Half As Much make my head start grooving in my seat! > If you can't see that There are tons of things on Bargainville that aren't on > Thornhill, you should listen again. Of course there are tons of things on Bargainville that aren't on Thornhill (Video Bargainville withstanding of course). They are completely different albums. If the band was going to release Bargainville again under a different name, I know I wouldn't have bought. It Bargainvile was a slice of busking history for Fruvous. It collected what they had done up to the point where they were signed with a major. Thornhill is a collection of what has happened since then. It's what a band constantly on the road who takes their busking roots and becomes a heavy touring band does with their music as it develops and they as artists develop. If they put out Bargainville again, honestly, I'd be dissappointed. > Thornhill is basically one note. > A very nice note. I don't understand this. Do you think Earthquakes sounds like When She Talks? Do you think Hate Letter sounds like Splatter Splatter? I agree that this isn't Moon. There isn't a huge range of huge style changes. It's more Wooden. The style changes are sometimes a bit subtle and aren't No No Raja compared to Kick in the Ass. But they are there. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:33:45 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill dopeytoo wrote: > okay, here goes.... > lots of bands have intricate harmonies, complex instrumentation, slick > guitars, etc., fruvous in particular.... > BUT in the past, i couldn't pick out each voice in the harmonies or hear > every instrument at once as i can on most of thornhill.... > i took one music theory class 6 years ago, i've never been trained as a > singer, but i can sing along with the backup vocals of pretty much every > song. that's never happened with fruvous before. > > thornhill just seems too simplified to be fruvous' 6th album, after > almost a decade of collaboration. it seems to be a step back for them. I guess to me simple is good if it gets your point across. That's probably Jian's argument for When She Talks too. That's the bass player in me I guess. You want to do the minimal thing it takes to fill your part and lead to the other parts. If you succeed, it's a great success. > just to confuse you, i love the album.... but that's because i know the > band, and i'd love (almost) anything they did. Not confusing to me at all. I understand that completely. > if someone had never heard moxy fruvous, would you give them thornhill > to get them hooked? just wondering..... Depends on the person. Someone who loves Elvis Costello and lives, eats, and breathes the Beatles? Yeah sure. Someone who loves making farting sounds when other people are talking and screaming "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" really loud as a greeting, well no. I'd say "here's the "b" album" or "here's Bargainville" and let's go see a show. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:06:41 GMT From: FruKid Subject: Re: Happy Burfday Sara! Maggie wrote: > Just wanted to say Happy Burfday to ya. :) Cheers!! I second that!!! > "Befriend the puffins... before the puffins attack!" -- Jian Sure, why not? Puffins R Cool. FruKid - -- Hours of time on the telephone line, just talking 'bout things to come.. sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground.. -James Taylor All the dreams we held so close seem to all go up in smoke.. -The 'Stones Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:12:47 GMT From: fruchild@my-deja.com Subject: Re: DEBS GROUNDED FOR LIFE FROM FRUVOUS?!??! Debs- If there is ever anything you need delivered to the boys (tobey included) just send it to me and I promise they will recieve it. and I didn't get to listen to it to see if it was us yet =+) aren't we obnoxious? Yenta aka Lisa- trust me, no one's getting married quite yet. Maybe Debs was proposing =+). Chris and I may go to Fruvous buffalo for New Years, though. Yikes! Serious reltionships! *shake shake* Sarah- it was wonderful meeting you! Hope to see you around future shows! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:06:40 GMT From: murmbeetle@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill In article <37B2E458.8FB23FCB@fruhead.com>, Chad Maloney wrote: > Josh Drury wrote: > > Still, Present Tense Tureen seems out of place whenever I listen to Wood. > > Hmmmm... I guess it doesn't get me that much. It's still not upbeat. It > does have a lighter feel than most of the rest of the album, but not > by a lot. I may just be used to it by now. I am not at all used to Organ > Grinder scaring the crap out of me. but that's half the fun!:) I don't think it messes up the tone of the album & I truthfully wouldna minded a couple of "Organ Grinders" on Thornhill...Wood being the popular measuring stick for Thornhill because of its status as a "concept album", I must say that I feel Wood to be more varied, I can hear every song as it starts in a new color although the colors complement each other...Thornhill still seems to me universally that warm manilla. unless I'm just way too easily confused between cover art & content. I do like Thornhill. Perhaps I'll like it more after more listens. Miriam Beetle Libicki "Life sucks. One suck to each leg." --Shaul Friedman Ben-Shalom Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:48:55 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: hehehe....let's see if this works, eh? this is deb coming to you live from the scarsdale public library on aol netmail....i hope this reaches you! and i hope ive found another way to get around this whole modem withdrawl... also, FHDC rocks!!! i adore it. and y'all. - -laters! - -debs ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #697 ********************************************