From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #692 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, August 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 692 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Happy Birthday to Me ["Leah Bender" ] Re: Bar concerts... [Geenius at Wrok ] Happy Burfday Sara! ["Tim Deegan" ] In-store Frumiles [timiny ] Re: A quick intro... [timiny ] Re: Bar concerts... [Leah Bridgers ] Re: A quick intro... [Kate Leahy ] Re: Bar concerts... [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: Bar concerts... [Kate Leahy ] The Many Instruments of Murray (was: Re: sad girl) [srm9988n@aol.comicrel] Re: Bar concerts... [Bridget ] Re: C Album Predictions . . . [drea1@my-deja.com] Re: Happy Birthday to Me [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot c] greetings! [moxy@passport.ca (Moxy Fruvous)] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [Tim Cain ] Re: Bar concerts... [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78)] Re: greetings! [Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: C Album Predictions . . . [drea1@my-deja.com] Re: greetings! [moxy@passport.ca (Moxy Fruvous)] Re: Happy Birthday to Me [Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: Happy Birthday To Me! [jporcell@us.ibm.com] Re: Bar concerts... [Bridget ] Re: All this future fruvous stuff [ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:21:22 GMT From: "Leah Bender" Subject: RE: Happy Birthday to Me >it's my b-day and I'm too shy to say anything!) 1... 2... 3.... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!! - -Bender :) - ------------------------------------------------------------ * http://www.bombdiggity.com/ * Yeah, baby, YEAH! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:26:55 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: Bar concerts... On 12 Aug 1999, Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > And I just want to say: BRAVO! The right Chad or Adam or anyone else has to > claim the spot of their choice by arriving at the venue in time to do so, and > stationing themselves there quite obviously for all to see (and if they have > half a brain, to say to themselves -- oh that tall guy's there, I probably > won't have the greatest view from right behind him) is not at all challengeable > by those shorter. > Put in the time on line outside the venue like so many others do, and > you'll get your choice of prime locations from which to view the > concert. If you choose not to do this -- don't whine when that prime > location's taken. It's a choice; make it and live with it. I'm not a whiner or an idiot. I don't deliberately set up station behind tall people and then try to get them to move out of MY way. Generally, I try to find the optimum spot that allows me to see the band up-close while not further endangering my already slightly damaged hearing by being too close to a huge speaker. OK, so I've found my spot and have a clear line of sight. Now, once I'm there, if the human mountain decides to situate himself in front of ME, what exactly do you propose I do? We've already established that he's not a considerate person, or he wouldn't have plonked himself in front of someone shorter, so there's no point in trying to talk him out of it. My radical solution is to move a couple of feet to the side, so that I'm not behind him anymore. But crowds mill, and as often as not, he winds up moving back in front of me. I consider this a nuisance, I don't think it's wrong to consider this a nuisance, and I don't believe that I deserve what I get just because I didn't plant my flag the second the doors opened like all the other good little Früworshipers. Jesus Christ, this is the first time I've ever been told that it's OK to interfere with people's clubgoing experience if they demonstrate insufficient band loyalty. - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:33:17 -0400 From: "Tim Deegan" Subject: Happy Burfday Sara! Just wanted to say Happy Burfday to ya. :) Cheers!! Maggie "Befriend the puffins... before the puffins attack!" -- Jian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:00:33 -0800 From: timiny Subject: In-store Frumiles There are a couple of In-store appearances coming up and I'm planning on going to at least one of them and I'm curious whether I could get my FruMiles card stamped there? I know the rule that if they don't get paid you can't get your card stamped, so the question is, do they get paid at some or all In-Stores and will they get paid at the DC In-Stores next week (not that most of you would know the answer to that, I suppose)? Thanks, Matt * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:47:08 -0800 From: timiny Subject: Re: A quick intro... >What's your favorite book, candy, FruSong and >Canadian province? Are you >pro-Maryland or pro-Pennsylvania? > 1) Lord of the Rings (got me red-cased hardback version that I should really read again) 2) if you mean candy in the British sense (i.e. not chocolate) then perhaps Mentos, but I don't eat that much candy, or I'd have to say Cadbury's Butterscotch Brittle in the more broad sense. 3) FruSong: Misplaced (still waiting to hear this live) 4) I've only been to Ontario, so I can't make an informed decision, I'd like to visit some of the other provinces 5) Merlin, hon! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:23:14 -0400 From: Leah Bridgers Subject: Re: Bar concerts... So, I decided to jump on the bandwagon and talk about height at concerts... Ending up standing behind someone who is a foot or so taller than me seems to happen to me fairly frequently. My experience has been that most often what will happen is that there'll be some sufficiently short person in front of me... someone I can see over (or perhaps around)... then, a few minutes before the show she is invariably joined by her gigantic friends... this irks me to no end.... then of course there are those who try to budge their way in... don't even get me started... I found that depending on the show, even if you get there early and put in your hours on the line that there are also line budgers... I like to call these people social climbers, and no one likes a social climber.... I guess there was really no point to this message, just more angst... Leah (the 5'4" wonder!) PS- if the guy I was standing next to at the instore in Rochester is reading this, thanks for letting me stand in front of you so I could see! You're swell! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:38:20 GMT From: Kate Leahy Subject: Re: A quick intro... > >What's your favorite book Love in the Time of Cholera Just kidding :). It's actually A Prayer for Owen Meany by John Irving. I was raving about it to hKath in !ndigo over July 4th weekend, and some woman next to me held it up and said "I'm glad I decided to pick it up, then." :) >>candy, Though I really try to avoid candy in general, I am partial to anything with white chocolate, York Peppermint Patties, and Swedish fish. >>FruSong Okay, this changes by the minute, but I'll always love Bittersweet, Fell in Love, Misplaced, and If Only You Knew. I'm a sap :). > >Canadian province? Ontario or Prince Edward Island > >Are you pro-Maryland or pro-Pennsylvania? I haven't a clue. I was born in PA, I go to school in MD. I like Philly tons better than Baltimore, though. ~~Kate === Kate Leahy Student, Live Music Addict, Queen of Randomized Knowledge kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "and I feel like I'm losing my powers . . . all of my get-up-and-go is all gone . . ." - --moxy früvous, "earthquakes" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 18:59:52 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Bar concerts... I understand that shorter people want to see the concert just as much as I do. Fine. I plant myself at a show, Fru or otherwise, and then I generally don't move more than a few centimetres from that place. And I generally get elbowed, and have dirty looks cast my way. It is no more my fault that I am 5'11" (tall) than it is anyone else's fault that they are 5' (short). I cannot control it, I cannot help it, and beleive me, if I had my way I'd be a fair bit shorter than this. (Actually, if I could help a whole lot of stuff... but that's neither here nor there.) It is 100% unfair to blame someone else for your inability to see over them. It's not their fault. If you don't like it, move. That's all there is to it. No one should be penalized or feel guilty because they happen to be tall enough to see that tops of the heads of everyone around them (very disconcerting, I must say). :) Veronica (perhaps my lousy week was not the time to choose to vent. But this week sucks, so I need to somehow.) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:11:29 GMT From: Kate Leahy Subject: Re: Bar concerts... > I > don't believe that I deserve what I get just because > I didn't plant my > flag the second the doors opened like all the other > good little > Früworshipers. Jesus Christ, this is the first time > I've ever been told > that it's OK to interfere with people's clubgoing > experience if they > demonstrate insufficient band loyalty. Umm, that's not what Chad said at all. However, what you have to understand is that the earlier you get there, the better your spot is going to be. Understand that there are people who *will* (and do) show up very very early in order to be sure to get a good spot. The only way to be sure that no one really tall is going to block my 5'4" line of sight is to get to the venue at least 1.5 hours before doors, chat with those outside, and dash to the front of the the room and the center of the stage as soon as I'm in. It has nothing to do with band loyalty; I just know that I'm not going to enjoy the show if I can't see, so I make sure that I can see. In fact, I think getting there early demonstrates more friend loyalty than band loyalty; half the fun of getting there early is talking to everyone else who's there early :). I recall the March 8, 1998 Iron Horse show. For the second encore, the band went into the balcony to perform "The Drinking Song." Murray said something to the effect of "Well, they came late and got the shitty seats. This may seem like justice to some, but we feel they deserve an up-close-and-personal show too." Certainly they do. But if you're willing to stand out (sometimes in the freezing cold or oppressive heat) for hours before the show, you should be able to capitalize. ~~Kate === Kate Leahy Student, Live Music Addict, Queen of Randomized Knowledge kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "and I feel like I'm losing my powers . . . all of my get-up-and-go is all gone . . ." - --moxy früvous, "earthquakes" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 19:38:18 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: The Many Instruments of Murray (was: Re: sad girl) Kate said: >I love knowing that Murray played guitar on the >recorded version of "Morphee" :). I love knowing he played *mandolin* and *talking drum* on Sahara ... - -- Lori ************** Look at these tiny things bothering me... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:55:04 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: Bar concerts... - --- Chad Maloney wrote: > > but it all comes > down to the fact that I stood there for 2 hours > to get the > spot I'm in and someone who walked in the door > 2 minutes ago > is not about to take that away from me. If you > got there > early too, you would have seen the large guy > and known that > it may not be the brightest to stand behind > him. If you didn't, > your loss. > Chad, you rock!!! === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget (who at 5'3" ALWAYS gets to doors at least 2 hours before they open...) "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:53:27 GMT From: drea1@my-deja.com Subject: Re: C Album Predictions . . . I > would rather suggest... > That's Any Good!!! YES!!! I'd second, third, fourth and fifth that one :) Y'know, at this rate C will become the Murray album, with all these votes for TAG, Pisco and Pork Tenderloin *g* (I'd also put in votes for Marion Fruvous and Cross-Border Shopping!) Drea 13 days to Harbourfront! "I'm a chartered accountant and therefore too boring for my opinion to be of any consequence." - Monty Python "You're a fruhead - you don't count. We're talking about normal people." - - Fiona, July 19/99 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 19:52:54 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Me Sara said: >So I decided to wish >myself a happy birthday! (aren't I terrible?! But no one at work knows >it's my b-day and I'm too shy to say anything!) Hey, why not! I furthermore propose that you buy yourself a present, take yourself out to dinner, and light a candle or two for yourself. (Well, in my case it was some yummy new incense, but same general idea.) - -- Lori, who's making a week of it ... well eight days, starting yesterday and ending at the DC in-stores. (And whose husband gifted her with, among other things, a truly gorgeous pink flamingo which is just the right size to ensconce itself on the back deck of the FrüCar -- a suitable gewgaw for FrüTrippin Hell Week. :) - -- Lori, just turned 23. ;) Lori@fruhead.com ~^~^~^ ~~ ~^~ ^~^~^~^~ ^~^ ~^~^~^~^~ ~^~^~^~ ^~^~^~ ^~^~^~^~~~ My Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html The spiffy, newly-updated amm-f FAQ: http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:52:44 -0500 From: moxy@passport.ca (Moxy Fruvous) Subject: greetings! Hello Everyone! It's an exciting week up here, as we celebrate the first release of Thornhill. Thank you so much for your support so far - it's always appreciated. There are a few things that the band and I could use help with. If you go to a record store and they don't have a copy of "Thornhill" please do ask them (thanks Chad!) to order it for you. It'll make them aware of the band, and that there is a demand for the record in your area. If you can send me information on which stores do/do not carry Fruvous records then I can forward that info on to the record company and we can try to make sure everyone is well-stocked. Also,if you're in a town that has a station that plays Fruvous (WYEP, WFUV, WBER, etc.) please call them and request the record! If you are in a town with a station that doesn't play Fruvous yet give them a call too! We can always get copies out the radio stations if they don't have them! Make them aware that this is music you want to hear! Again, thank you so much for all the support. Sharing your love of the band really makes a huge difference, and we definately appreciate it! The grassroots organization can keep on going strong! Talk to you all soon, Jude **** Judith Coombe 416-368-5599 moxy@passport.ca Judith Coombe Management Assistant, Moxy Fruvous 416-368-5599 moxy@passport.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:02:59 GMT From: Tim Cain Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill > > To me, what's always made Fr¸vous Fr¸vous is the combination of highly > > complex vocal harmonies, highly complex song structure and highly simple > > instrumentation. There are a few songs on "Thornhill" in which the > > instrumentation is definitely pumped up and the song structure is > > definitely dumbed down. Those are the disappointing ones. > > By song structure, do you just mean the Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Bridge- > Verse-Chorus structure? Or is there more? Let me take a crack at this, because I've had some thoughts about this over the past eight or ten months. Take a look at the structures of "Darlington Darling" or "BJ." I think the arrangements go off in all sorts of unusual directions. "BJ" has a prelude that's almost Rogers & Hammerstein-like (think about every song in "Oklahoma!" and how they all start with an introductory verse that bears no resemblance to the rest of the song). "DD" reminds me structurally of the Replacements' "Hold My Life" -- there's like four different songs in there. Now, there's not a lot of songs ANYBODY writes like these two, and I guess I don't know that even Fruvous has written anything like them since BARGAINVILLE. But as I heard the new songs in concert since last October, I'd thought they were nice, solid songs, but nothing that had me thinking, "Sheesh, I've never heard anything like THAT before." Personally, if they're going after nice, solid songs, I wish there were more like "Half As Much" (upbeat). Then again, unlike EVERY PERSON ON THIS GROUP, my favorite THORNHILL song is "Sad Girl." Did I answer the question? - --tc tcain1@webmart.net "What Demi Moore does is not acting." -- Helen Mirren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:40:15 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: Bar concerts... Geenius at Wrok wrote: > I'm not a whiner or an idiot. I don't deliberately set up station behind > tall people and then try to get them to move out of MY way. Generally, I > try to find the optimum spot that allows me to see the band up-close while > not further endangering my already slightly damaged hearing by being too > close to a huge speaker. OK, so I've found my spot and have a clear line > of sight. Now, once I'm there, if the human mountain decides to situate > himself in front of ME, what exactly do you propose I do? We've already But I think that's a very different situation you're describing. Most of these venues we're talking about are "first come, first serve" places. It doesn't matter how tall you are, if you were there first. If I'm standing in the front, right against the stage, I'd be kind of pissed if *anyone* butted their way in front of me, tall or short. I mean, when I'm at shows, I'll find a spot near the front (hopefully) and, if possible, sort of inch my way forward, but being careful not to move in front of anyone. (for the record I'm 5'10") > established that he's not a considerate person, or he wouldn't have > plonked himself in front of someone shorter, so there's no point in trying he's not a considerate person because he shoved his way through the crowd to get a place that he should have shown up an hour earlier if he wanted. I think the best thing to do is politely ask him to move a few inches/feet/miles to one side. If you're polite about it and he refuses (unless it's packed so tight that no one can move, in which case how'd he get there in the first place?) *then* he's the inconsiderate one, and you shouldn't feel bad if you move in front of him or something. I figure, once someone's been outright rude to me, there's no need to be polite to him anymore. - -- Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 20:07:56 GMT From: acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78) Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill Josh Drury wrote: >Still, Present Tense Tureen seems out of >place whenever I listen to Wood Same here. If I fall asleep to Wood, I'm guaranteed to wake up as soon as this song comes on and the mood is just lost. Usually I program the CD to skip over it. Weird -- I've never had a problem with Organ Grinder, though. Carey ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 19:55:56 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: greetings! Moxy Fruvous wrote: : a town with a station that doesn't play Fruvous yet give them a call too! : We can always get copies out the radio stations if they don't have them! : Make them aware that this is music you want to hear! What's the single for Thornhill? Or should I just call and ask for something off Thornhill? I assume TO stations will have an advance copy (despite the rest of us being CD-less for another week and a half!). Sara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:58:33 GMT From: drea1@my-deja.com Subject: Re: C Album Predictions . . . > Nobody remembers Sleepy Drinker. *snif* Amanda, we remember it... but would they put it in an album claiming to contain "Odd Songs and Arcana"? I wish they'd put Sleepy Drinker back into setlists though - I've only heard it once (Windsor) *sigh* Drea "I'm a chartered accountant and therefore too boring for my opinion to be of any consequence." - Monty Python Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:38:02 -0500 From: moxy@passport.ca (Moxy Fruvous) Subject: Re: greetings! In article <7ov8sc$sf1$1@knot.queensu.ca>, Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote: > Moxy Fruvous wrote: > : a town with a station that doesn't play Fruvous yet give them a call too! > : We can always get copies out the radio stations if they don't have them! > : Make them aware that this is music you want to hear! > > What's the single for Thornhill? Or should I just call and ask for > something off Thornhill? I assume TO stations will have an advance copy > (despite the rest of us being CD-less for another week and a half!). > > Sara Hello! What important info! The official single is "I Will Hold On". TO stations should have the cds by now! Thanks! Jude Judith Coombe Management Assistant, Moxy Fruvous 416-368-5599 moxy@passport.ca ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 20:06:05 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Me Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: : Hey, why not! I furthermore propose that you buy yourself a present, take : yourself out to dinner, and light a candle or two for yourself. Well, I managed to get one friend to treat me to lunch (hey, good deal, since I was the one who invited her out...but then she did forget my birthday, so she felt guilty). And then another two friends have invited me over for dinner. :) I feel special. And my friend who forgot my birthday made me a super-cool card on the computer that has a picture of the two of us at her birthday party when we were 7 or 8. It's adorable! (and almost as cool as the Green Eggs & Ham card that she got me last year...that she got the boys to sign for me - that was a surprise present!!!) : -- Lori, just turned 23. ;) Me too! Happy Birthday to a fellow Fru-Leo! Sara _______ The secret of life: breathe in, breathe out, repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:59:10 GMT From: jporcell@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday To Me! Sara, Lorraine and I will be visiting Kingston in a couple of weeks. If you like, we can get together and I will make you a balloon hat, and we can stop at the Windmill for a piece of cake (I know Lorraine won't let me out of Kingston without stopping there, and I always have balloons in my pocket). Let me know, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:03:14 GMT From: Bridget Subject: Re: Bar concerts... - --- Lori at fruhead dot com wrote: > > Put in the time on line outside the venue like > so many others do, and you'll > get your choice of prime locations from which > to view the concert. not to mention a chance to meet new people and have some great conversation!!! unless of course it's february in toronto, then you just freeze your a$$ off while listening to others tell you that you should be used to it, since you live in colorado and all... === over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget "Canada should be at the end of this street." ~Eddie from Ohio, 'Fifth of July' _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:41:54 GMT From: ross_hendry@bigfoot.com (Ross Hendry) Subject: Re: All this future fruvous stuff On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:15:01 GMT, "Snow In Summer" wrote: >A wise voice posting as Ross Hendry spaketh: I have been called many things in my time but I think that's the first time someone said I was wise! ;-) > >Ross, dear, can i hug you? Please, feel free. /me hugs Amy first >(what happened to the days of convert everyone if you >can?) A sterling point my dear. >I'll see you in the SEC, at T In The Park and maybe even >Glastonbury! Say hello to that ginger haired guy crushed against >the barriers at the front desperately trying to sing along and you >can bet he'll buy you a drink and be wholly positive about you being >there. > >Ross, if fruvous is at Glastonbury (and if whatever country i'm living >in at the time allows me out), can you save me a small space up >front? There's a couple pints in it for you. :-) > Definetely! I think we'd better smuggle out own bevvie in though as I hear the prices were astronomical. Ross It's the Galaxies Greatest Comic, Now check out it's web site! http://www.cybergoth.net/tuws/ ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #692 ********************************************