From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #691 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, August 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 691 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Frumiles question! [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: sad girl [Kate Leahy ] Re: C Album Predictions . . . [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [CLeast18@aol.com] Re: Bar concerts... [Kate Leahy ] Re: whine whine whine [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: sad girl [Chad Maloney ] Re: The conspiracy revealed [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: new user [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill ["Hell Hotel" ] Re: Bar concerts... [Chad Maloney ] Re: new user [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)] Chicago show [starry2000@aol.comedy (Christie Flynn)] Re: sad girl [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: Frumiles question! [Chad Maloney ] Re: Bar concerts... [Geenius at Wrok ] Re: Bar concerts... [srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com)] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [Geenius at Wrok ] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [Chad Maloney ] Happy Birthday to Me [Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: Tapes N Stuvv ["andi andrzejewski" ] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill ["Ken Perschke" ] Re: Weighing In on Thornhill [Geenius at Wrok ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:53:57 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Frumiles question! On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:14:07 -0400, Kate Bunting wrote: > >So, I'll be going to the show at Ram's Head next week-- and after all this >discussion about redeeming Frumiles by the end of the calendar year (that >was the consensus, yes? must redeem Frumiles by January 1st?), I was under the impression that although Frumiles cards would not be stamped as of January 1st, the stamps accumulated prior to January 1st can be *redeemed* after January 1st. Someone jump in and correct me if I'm wrong about this. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:58:14 GMT From: Kate Leahy Subject: Re: sad girl - --- CLeast18@aol.com wrote: > who sings sad girl? i am upset b/c there are no > lyrics in the the cd, but i > can always look them up online :) Jian does. He also plays guitar on it live. The lyrics are up on FDC, so I'm really not that disappointed that they were left out of the liner; I am, however, kinda disappointed that there's no information as to who was playing what on each track. I love knowing that Murray played guitar on the recorded version of "Morphee" :). ~~Kate === Kate Leahy Student, Live Music Addict, Queen of Randomized Knowledge kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "and I feel like I'm losing my powers . . . all of my get-up-and-go is all gone . . ." - --moxy früvous, "earthquakes" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:45:35 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: C Album Predictions . . . On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:22:45 GMT, hKath wrote: > trace@frumail.org (Trace) wrote: >> I like all of those suggestions Katie. I heartily vote for Get Down >> From There! I would also like to add Pork Tenderloin to the list. > >Oh, come on! You just *know* Get Down From There belongs on Mike's >first solo album, due out as soon as I kidnap him and make him record >it! ;) Well get to it girl! I'm a-waiting! I'll gladly donate anything that might be required for such a project (duct tape, blindfolds, etc) Hey, we're only kidding right? - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:47:56 GMT From: CLeast18@aol.com Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill In a message dated 8/12/99 10:34:20 AM Central Daylight Time, geenius@albany.net writes: << > I'm intereated here. What's some of what makes fruvous fruvous that is > missing from this album? To me, what's always made Früvous Früvous is the combination of highly complex vocal harmonies, highly complex song structure and highly simple instrumentation. There are a few songs on "Thornhill" in which the instrumentation is definitely pumped up and the song structure is definitely dumbed down. Those are the disappointing ones. But damn, if "IWHO" and "If Only You Knew" don't make up for them. >> Hey...I totally agree with you. It IS the harmonies that makes fruvous who there are. The harmonies are sooo beautiful they just pull you into the songs, and grab your attention. The instruments are PERFECT with all their songs, like you said it's not too much or to little instrument, but just enough to really top off the song! Michala with no E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:56:05 GMT From: Kate Leahy Subject: Re: Bar concerts... - --- Geenius at Wrok wrote: > So that was YOU who kept relocating in front of me > every time I tried to > move around you. > > -- 5'7" and grumpy For the record, Adam was firmly planted against the stage for the entire show. You couldn't have gotten around him if you tried. So it probably wasn't him. Also, Adam wouldn't move in front of someone who moved around him to see - and also, most of us wouldn't move in front of someone who waited three hours outside and payed just as much as we did - especially if it was Adam [1] :). ~~Kate [1] Not 'cause he's intimidating, just 'cause we love him and he usually doesn't stand in front of *anyone* === Kate Leahy Student, Live Music Addict, Queen of Randomized Knowledge kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@fruhead.com "and I feel like I'm losing my powers . . . all of my get-up-and-go is all gone . . ." - --moxy früvous, "earthquakes" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:37:59 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: whine whine whine On 12 Aug 1999 04:57:20 GMT, srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) wrote: >>I haven't held anything back. I was just giving you a gentle >>reminder. (Trace remembered, after all. :) > >Oh, so then you acknowledge this is one of your delusional power trips. > >But are you accusing *Trace* of sucking up and not speaking her mind? Hoo boy. > You DO like living dangerously, lad. ;) > >I tend to think she's just leaving it alone because she starred in last week's >bicker-thread, and that satisfied her need for chad-shared nonsense. > Hey, I just figured that a bandmember sided with us Lori, so why should I indulge chad's attempt at vicarious fru-experiences? A further note: chad claims a lot of places as being Baltimore shows, but when was the last time he attended one of these so-called "local shows?" Hmmmm? I told you Lori, I fight dirty :-) >>> People get Bad Reputations for stuff like that. >>People get reps for all sorts of reasons. > >Ever so true. And *some* of them are so undeserved.... ~Baffled by bullshit~ - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:40:01 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: sad girl CLeast18@aol.com wrote: > > who sings sad girl? i am upset b/c there are no lyrics in the the cd, but i > can always look them up online :) Jian sings lead vocal on Sad Girl. The lyrics on Fruvous Dot Com try to annotate who is singing which lyric, so check them out. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:58:02 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: The conspiracy revealed On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:56:47 GMT, hugh@fruhead.com (Hugh Miller) wrote: > Then why don't we see the mice? :) > roflmao! The answer is 42. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:06:28 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: new user On 12 Aug 1999 06:39:43 GMT, mocksie@aol.com (Mysterious Mocksie) wrote: > >Jombo69: > >I noticed that you're a "new user" on ALL FOUR of my newsgroups... > >Are you just *really* like me (MF, Queen, Jim Carrey, and Space Ghost) or could >you be..... a SPAMMER?!!?!? Whoa, we may want to play nice until someone actually spams or trolls us... - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 16:22:52 GMT From: "Hell Hotel" Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill > To me, what's always made Früvous Früvous is the combination of highly > complex vocal harmonies, highly complex song structure and highly simple > instrumentation. There are a few songs on "Thornhill" in which the > instrumentation is definitely pumped up and the song structure is > definitely dumbed down. Those are the disappointing ones. what songs do you think are dumbed down?? I'd like to hear...cause i can't pick 'em out myself. Personally I LOVE Thornhill, I think it's a great album...sorta a bit more mature older brother to Wood. Sure that sounds right, i think. - -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:38:52 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Bar concerts... Geenius at Wrok wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Adam Hartfield wrote: > > > For all my shows except one, I've tried to not be in anyone's way. I don't > > want my height to inhibit anyone's enjoyment of the show. However, at > > Clifton Park in May, I figured I had just as much a right to be front-row > > center as anyone else, so that's where I was as soon as the doors opened. > > So that was YOU who kept relocating in front of me every time I tried to > move around you. I think Adam and I have the same exact approach to concert placing (or at least we used to before I became a taper and now sit in the back). Being the large people we are (I'm the 6'6" Chad if you don't know that), we have lots of problems with guilt factors when we stand near the front of shows. To combat this, we both do the same thing. We get there when the doors open and we stand there. We stand there for 45 minutes before the opening act comes on. We stand there for 45 minutes as the opening band plays. We stand there for 30 minutes while Fruvous gets setup. And then, we stand there to watch Fruvous from where we want to. And do you know what? Almost invariably, about 5 minutes before Fruvous goes on, someone comes and stands right behind me and starts loudly complaining about me being there. The only reason there was an empty space behind me to stand in is because NO ONE COULD SEE WHEN THEY WERE THERE. What did they do about it? They moved to where they could see and were happy about it. But there are always a couple people who decide that they can waltz up to the front and get the best spot right before the show. They whine loudly behind me about how tall people shouldn't ruin the concert for everyone else. You know what I do? I ignore them. I have been there since doors. People have been given enough warning that I was going to be there. If they still decide to be behind me, well, that's their problem. I've even had people sit behind me and beg and plead to come in front of me. Usually if they ask nicely and there is room in front of me, I'll let them. But if you sit back there and bitch and moan about me and try to force your way by me, no way. Sorry. I'm defending my spot to the end because I've earned it. I can't count how many people Heatherrr and I danced out of our space when they forced up there during the show. Some may think me evil for all that and I do feel really guilty, but it all comes down to the fact that I stood there for 2 hours to get the spot I'm in and someone who walked in the door 2 minutes ago is not about to take that away from me. If you got there early too, you would have seen the large guy and known that it may not be the brightest to stand behind him. If you didn't, your loss. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 17:14:38 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: new user trace noted: >Whoa, we may want to play nice until someone actually spams or trolls >us... A very good point, o wise and wondrous trace. Which is why I played nice *despite* what I thought was a highly questionable screen name. Jombo dear, if you're not a troll you may REALLY want to consider changing that ;) - -- Lori ******************** DON'T f~ck with the woman with PMS. -- me ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 17:30:41 GMT From: starry2000@aol.comedy (Christie Flynn) Subject: Chicago show Hey folks! A few days back I posted a message inquiring about the Metro's age restrictions and such... well, here's the (wonderful!) news I got about the show straight from the people at the Metro: The show is 18+ (NOT 21+!! Wooohooo!) The cost is $12, doors open at 11:00 and the show is at 11:30 So I'll be there!! Hope to see some of you there! =) ====== Christie ====== - -starry2000@aol.com- - -christie@fruhead.com- - -highlyillogical@earthling.net- - -overkillontheemailaliases@iknowiknow.leavemealone- ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:17:11 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: sad girl On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:06:42 GMT, CLeast18@aol.com wrote: >who sings sad girl? i am upset b/c there are no lyrics in the the cd, but i >can always look them up online :) Jian sings the lead on Sad Girl, and of course, all the lyrics to songs on Thornhill (as well as other albums and unreleased songs) are available on FDC. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:29:46 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Frumiles question! Trace wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:14:07 -0400, Kate Bunting > I was under the impression that although Frumiles cards would not be > stamped as of January 1st, the stamps accumulated prior to January 1st > can be *redeemed* after January 1st. Someone jump in and correct me > if I'm wrong about this. No. That's probably completely true, since not everyone can get to a show before the end of the year and such. You could probably just wait till you see them again and trade in the cards. But I'd email Jude to tell her you have the cards. She may just do a mail trade with you. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:14:43 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: Bar concerts... On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Kate Leahy wrote: > Also, Adam wouldn't move in front of someone who moved > around him to see - and also, most of us wouldn't move > in front of someone who waited three hours outside and > payed just as much as we did - especially if it was > Adam [1] :). Whoever it was, I don't imagine that it was intentional. - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 17:29:33 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.comicrelief (Lori at fruhead dot com) Subject: Re: Bar concerts... Chad gave: And I just want to say: BRAVO! The right Chad or Adam or anyone else has to claim the spot of their choice by arriving at the venue in time to do so, and stationing themselves there quite obviously for all to see (and if they have half a brain, to say to themselves -- oh that tall guy's there, I probably won't have the greatest view from right behind him) is not at all challengeable by those shorter. I'm only 5'6" myself, and generally I'll try to be up front so as to be able to see around the taller folks (and to tease the guys, but that's another story). How do I get that prime space? I get there EARLY. I don't show up last minute for a general admission venue and expect people to just let me get up front because I'm shorter than they are. I show up at the venue an hour or more before doors open, and stand there chatting with others -- including Adam and Chad -- who do the exact same thing. Put in the time on line outside the venue like so many others do, and you'll get your choice of prime locations from which to view the concert. If you choose not to do this -- don't whine when that prime location's taken. It's a choice; make it and live with it. - -- Lori ********** DON'T f~ck with the woman with PMS. -- me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:22:43 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill On 12 Aug 1999, Hell Hotel wrote: > > To me, what's always made Früvous Früvous is the combination of highly > > complex vocal harmonies, highly complex song structure and highly simple > > instrumentation. There are a few songs on "Thornhill" in which the > > instrumentation is definitely pumped up and the song structure is > > definitely dumbed down. Those are the disappointing ones. > > what songs do you think are dumbed down?? I'd like to hear...cause i can't > pick 'em out myself. "Half as Much," "Sad Girl," "You Can't Be Too Careful" and "When She Talks." The last one doesn't bother me quite so much, so I keep myself happy by simply starting the disc at track No. 4. - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:24:19 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill Geenius at Wrok wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Chad Maloney wrote: > > > I'm intereated here. What's some of what makes fruvous fruvous that is > > missing from this album? > > To me, what's always made Früvous Früvous is the combination of highly > complex vocal harmonies, highly complex song structure and highly simple > instrumentation. There are a few songs on "Thornhill" in which the > instrumentation is definitely pumped up and the song structure is > definitely dumbed down. Those are the disappointing ones. Wow. Really? Most of the songs instrumentally are much deeper than on previous recordings, but mostly because that fits in with the concept behind the album. There's a good amount of layering vocals and the harmonies are as thick as ever and to me more mature. The chosen harmonies don't just sound good, they fit into the song and make the songs better as whole (where sometimes they would just seem to be showing off their singing on some other albums). By song structure, do you just mean the Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Bridge- Verse-Chorus structure? Or is there more? I'm very interested in this since song structure is really not very important to me right now. It usually takes me awhile to realize a song is VCVCBVC. I can spot bridges without a problem, but I usually assume the verse-chorus structure is part of the lyric and making the lyric work. What "few songs" are you talking about? I'm waiting for you to say When She Talks and then I'm interested in the next one down. I also don't see this highly simple instrumentation. On stage maybe, but Wood and Moon don't have simple instrumentation at times unless the music calls for it. In my opinion, Fruvous is very good at doing what's appropriate. If the song deserves simplicity it gets it. But read some of the song credits on Wood and tell me again it is highly simple instrumentation. Some of the changes on songs are simple, but the song is in a style that uses a couple chords. Get in the Car is built on, what 3 chords? But boy is it rocking! I don't see 1-3-5[1] songs on Fruvous albums much myself. I dunno. To me, they just know what to do to get the job done. When the song is deep, the instrumentation is deep. Pisco on the other hand is what, 2 or 3 chords with a step or 2 drop in the bridge. And you don't see people complaining about Pisco now, do you? *grin* For the record since I'm stepping up to the plate a lot in these discussions, the Thornhill track listing from my favorite to least favorite is below. Note that even my least favorite track on this album would be a middle tier track on any other album (but wouldn't fit in at all on that album so don't think I'm saying it belongs there). 1) My Poor Generation 2) Earthquakes 3) Independence Day 4) If Only You Knew 5) Downsizing 6) Hate Letter 7) Splatter Splatter 8) I Will Hold On 9) Half as Much 10) You Can't Be Too Careful 11) Sad Girl 12) When She Talks Honestly, though Half as Much is still a great Fruvous song to me and it and everything above it are high on my non-existent, but gut felt list of Fruvous songs. - Chad [1] Root-third-fifth chord changes are where the changes are simple root-third-fifth-root for the song. This with a bridge taking it to a different key is a generic song structure to me. Not saying it can't be done well either or Fruvous has never done it. It's just the generic song to me along with a verse-chorus-verse-chorus bridge-verse-chorus structure. Kinda like a generic jazz structure to me would be Head-Head-Solo-Solo-...-Solo-Head. Don't ask. I don't have much formal music training so I don't know why all this is true to me. It just is *Grin* ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 1999 17:49:58 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Happy Birthday to Me Okay, I'm shameless when it comes to seeking attention (at least when I'm on the Internet...in person is a different story!). So I decided to wish myself a happy birthday! (aren't I terrible?! But no one at work knows it's my b-day and I'm too shy to say anything!) Sara _______ The secret of life: breathe in, breathe out, repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:39:21 GMT From: "andi andrzejewski" Subject: Re: Tapes N Stuvv Sorry.. okay, i gotta just stop talking, I'm to stupid for this. :\Said ou Frukid, Frukid you are not to stupid for this, just new and in a hurry,many people,often myself,need to do just that. slow down and read the whole message just my 2 cents andi - -- Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:45:57 -0400 From: "Ken Perschke" Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill > > In my opinion, Fruvous is very good at doing what's appropriate. If > the song deserves simplicity it gets it. But read some of the > song credits on Wood and tell me again it is highly simple instrumentation. > Some of the changes on songs are simple, but the song is in > a style that uses a couple chords. Get in the Car is built on, what > 3 chords? But boy is it rocking! I don't see 1-3-5[1] songs on Fruvous > albums much myself. Are you talking about the chords themselves or the chord progressions? The (major) chords themselves are 1-3-5, but the basic chord progression in a key is 1-*4*-5. And yes, both Pisco and GitC are build on these (Authors also comes to mind). Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:50:31 -0400 From: Geenius at Wrok Subject: Re: Weighing In on Thornhill On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Chad Maloney wrote: > Geenius at Wrok wrote: > > > To me, what's always made Früvous Früvous is the combination of highly > > complex vocal harmonies, highly complex song structure and highly simple > > instrumentation. There are a few songs on "Thornhill" in which the > > instrumentation is definitely pumped up and the song structure is > > definitely dumbed down. Those are the disappointing ones. > > By song structure, do you just mean the Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Bridge- > Verse-Chorus structure? Or is there more? Actually, I'm more thinking of the musical composition. I admit that I didn't really notice this as much before reading an article written for the paper I work at by a freelancer, who was writing about the dulling of pop songwriting. He observed that pop songs, being written more and more often by people without music-theory training, tended to use simple four-bar chord sequences that were repeated over and over, sometimes in the choruses as well as within the verses, whereas in the past professional songwriters would vary the chord sequences over eight bars or more. So I starting thinking about how this applied to Früvous, and by and large, their songs (with a few conspicuous exceptions, such as "Sahara") DON'T repeat the same chords every four bars the way so many other bands' do, which speaks well for the effort they put into their songwriting, the natural talent they bring to it or both. Point being, I remember the first couple of times I heard them perform the several songs I mentioned in another post, and I was thinking, "Given the material these guys have produced before, this song is surprisingly dull." Now I have a little more insight into why: Their chord progressions are more repetitive. > I also don't see this highly simple instrumentation. On stage maybe, > but Wood and Moon don't have simple instrumentation at times unless > the music calls for it. Well, they started out as buskers, didn't they? So whatever they perform, it has to be easily broken down for live performance -- and portable live performance at that. Take "Sahara" again. Sure, there are a lot of production layers on the record, but when they trot it out live, it's keyboard, bass, percussion. If anything, this limitation has forced them to be more ingenious in their arrangements, and that ingenuity has always been one of their most appealing aspects to me. But that's only half the equation. The other half is, when they do lay additional instrumentation down on the studio recording, does it enhance the song? And in the case of those several songs on "Thornhill," I don't think it does. I still believe some of the blame for this has to lie at the feet of Don Dixon. Maybe at some point I'll upload a sound clip from a self-produced Don Dixon solo album, and you'll be able to hear how the band have been "Dixonized." (I like Dixon, but I'm not convinced that his sound and Früvous' sound are wholly compatible. Think of how different Los Lobos suddenly sounded when they began recording with Mitchell Froom!) > Some of the changes on songs are simple, but the song is in > a style that uses a couple chords. Get in the Car is built on, what > 3 chords? But boy is it rocking! I don't see 1-3-5[1] songs on Fruvous > albums much myself. Like I said, it's not so much the chords used but HOW they're used. As our writer pointed out, 12-bar blues is the simplest stuff in the world, chord-wise. But its appeal lies in the fact that it stretches its three chords over 12 bars -- it doesn't play them in four bars, repeated three times. (Sidenote: "Spider-man" is a 12-bar blues played in double time!) - -- "I wish EVERY day could be a shearing festival!" -- The 10 Commandments =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Keith Ammann is geenius@albany.net "I notice you have a cloud of doom. Live with honor, endure with grace I must admit it makes you seem www.albany.net/~geenius * Lun Yu 2:24 dangerous and sexy." ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #691 ********************************************