From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #678 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, August 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 678 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: whine whine whine [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Re: Waves..... [chad schrock ] Re: whine whine whine [chad schrock ] Re: fruSURVEY RESULTS [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Important subject if you collect Frumiles [Luella Benn ] Re: Waves..... [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: whine whine whine [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: WBER interview [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin)] Re: fruvous.com [Anna Desarno ] Re: WBER interview ["Novac" ] Re: Fruvous.com [AngelCL7@aol.com] Re: WBER interview [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (star shaped)] Re: A quick intro... [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin)] Re: All this future fruvous stuff ["Snow In Summer" ] Re: The Band Has Four Members [acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78)] ANNOUNCEMENT: Fruhead.Com is open! [Josh Woodward ] Re: Gotta roll with it [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:51:04 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: whine whine whine In article <19990809183248.02198.00009018@ng-ft1.aol.com>, luckydabed@aol.complexity says... > wondering where when all the other real midwesterners are going to back me up. > Oh wait, that's right. There are no others. Hey! Just 'cause I'm stuck out here in the nutty land of Colorado, that doesn't mean that the real Midwest isn't still HOME. I'm not quite following about the manure and the shotguns, though. The Midwest I know and love has universities, and properly-changing weather, and great big shopping malls, and people who talk normally, and horizons that are visible the way they should be. k@ still homesick for a home that no longer exists - ---------------------------------------------------- "When someone says that they can't draw a straight line, it's a comment that belittles the act of drawing. It suggests that it's a God-given thing, that no one has to practice it, that all artists are idiot-savants." - --Phoebe Gloeckner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:43:11 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: Waves..... drea1@my-deja.com wrote: > > > yeah. like rehearsing It's Too Cold, or Misplaced, so that > > they can play it in annapolis. boy, a second-half-of-wood > > show.. wouldn't *that* be cool? > > Or maybe Bed & Breakfast and bringing back Nuits for, say... > Harbourfront? *HINT* *g* Personally, anything from the second > half of Wood would be great, considering some of us have only > heard 5 songs from that album ;) Oh Drea, they won't do any of that at Harbourfront. See, they'll do all of those great songs in Annapolis and since I'm going to be at both shows, well, they can't do them at both. [1] > 14 days to Harbourfront, Don't you mean '17'? > 16 to Thornhill! :) And only '15' here? > (And 33 till I move to Toronto!) Don't know about this one. - -- chad at radix dot net [1] This delusion of grandeur brought to you by the electron. Yes, the electron. Bajillions of sub-atomic particles moving in the right direction can't be wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:36:47 -0400 From: chad schrock Subject: Re: whine whine whine Lori Martin wrote: > chad's falling right into my little trap, hee hee: You'd better check where you walk, m'dear. > >Actually, by my new definition of MD/DC, as listed on the new > >tour card: 8 > >Philly: 4, maybe 5. Of course, I even counted that wrong anyway. There are actually 15 MD/DC shows on the card. Still only 4 or 5 for you, though. > The definition Trace, Jian and I are using, which i imagine would > be endorsed by many midwestern, western, and Canadian Fruheads > (not to mention those off continent) is that a local show is any > within 200 miles. :) Oh, pish. That's a lousy way to pick places. Then you'd have to let in/count all of those undesireable places too, like Philadelphia or New Jersey. (In my case at least.) > Yes, this does imply a great degree of overlap -- Donna's > Cleveland show is also Lawrence's Pittsburgh show, but a show > in Pittsburgh would likewise count as an Ohio show. Yes, there is a great deal of overlap. But I think that we can all get along.[1] > So DC/Annapolis is OURS, dammit. No, I don't THINK so. > New Jersey, Delaware, NYC and lower Connecticut are Philly > suburbs. And while Pittsburgh isn't ours, I believe it > *DOES* belong to DC/Maryland. Maybe. I'll have to get back to you on that. :) > Nyah nyah. :) > -- Lori, hellbent on taking over the world you call that a bend in hell? My 82 year old grandmother could bend hell better. Oh. Hold on. That should be 'raise hell.' My apologies. - -- chad at radix dot net [1] at least if you use my definitions. :) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:15:07 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: fruSURVEY RESULTS >Also, LadyWench (thanks!) informed me that there was another >survey taken a while ago, possibly March 98? That would be February of 1998. The first FruCon. Gordon? I think you had done that one? I remember an excessive amount of questions about hockey. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:09:15 -0400 From: Luella Benn Subject: Re: Important subject if you collect Frumiles Groovy Spice wrote: > peace, > ellen (most of us have already heard the millenium-starts-1/1/01 argument > by now, and while it's technically correct, let's face it, you're going > to miss a lot of good parties if you insist on being correct ;) > *************************************************** Including Luella's first ever millenium breakfast party; held in Hamburg, NY, post Fru-show and you're all invited.... details forthcoming ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:21:28 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Important subject if you collect Frumiles >>BTW, how do we cash in the cards? At the merchandise table? > >Yes. If you know you're planning on redeeming it at a specific show, for a >specific goody, it helps to let Jude know in advance so Tobey will have the >correct prize on hand. Unless you are trying for the Indie Cassette. Then they hide ti from you, and make you come up to Toronto and do a song and dance for it. :) ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:12:17 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Waves..... On 09 Aug 1999 02:39:46 GMT, luckydabed@aol.complexity (maria) wrote: >Trace exclaimed: >> >>Good lord, I hope not! I hope the lads have way too much to do to >>bother with such pointless silliness as a discussion thread of that >>sort. > >Oh man..what does this say for ourselves? Well I may be many things, but silly is definitely one of them :-) - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:03:59 GMT From: misty Subject: Re: Gotta roll with it Hello out there, Well...I completely understand what all of you are saying and no I will not forever leave and regard all of you in a bad manor. I just wanted to make a point. Although I disagree with you that I am going through a meaningless stage. I do understand all of the reasons that you gave. Not holding anything against anyone. I am one of those people who tell just wants to have fun. And i do actually enjoy running so don't get the wrong impression. I come in peace really:)hehe Misty Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:09:16 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Waves..... On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 13:18:16 GMT, Groovy Spice wrote: >In article <37ad9c46.4245201@news.p3.net>, > trace@frumail.org (Trace) wrote: > >> Good lord, I hope not! I hope the lads have way too much to do to >> bother with such pointless silliness as a discussion thread of that >> sort. > >yeah. like rehearsing It's Too Cold, or Misplaced, so that they can play >it in annapolis. boy, a second-half-of-wood show.. wouldn't *that* be >cool? That *would* be cool, and remember, they did the first half of Wood at last year's Ramshead show - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:20:50 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: whine whine whine On 09 Aug 1999 03:53:09 GMT, srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) wrote: >not a snowball's chance in hell, sweetheart. especially as Trace and I already >have located the Point of Frumonic Convergence, and it's in The Greater >Philadelphia Area. As opposed to The Much Greater Philadelphia Area, which is anything within Maria's very reasonable 500 mile radius :-) Actually, the definition of a Philly show that Lori and I finally decided to use, is any show that we can reasonably attend without needing crashspace :-) > >>However, I cordially invite you to visit the lovely landscape of the >>"midwest" >>[or the North Coast, as I refer to Ohio and Michigan in my own personal >>universe] >>and hit *3* Ohio frushows in one weekend! (quasi Pittsburgh shows) > >We are there. We are *so* there. Already, there we are. > >FruSpace cordially accepted! :) Donna, you might want to consult a lawyer before answering us, but Lori and I were just looking into a feasibility study for attending the Ohio shows. If you are generously offering fruspace, I concur with Lori. We are *so* there! - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 03:00:45 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: WBER interview Novac said: >>>The Frulads are "stopping by" the studio at noon tomorrow, so says Chris >>>Andrews and Dr. Damien. (Thank you Melissa for listening to Rant) >> >> >>hey, i listened to rant too. ;) ...it's at noon. >> >Uhh, I heard on the newsgroup that it's at noon... Is it at noon? I can't listen to Rant, because I can't tune in WBER, but I think Novac said that .... - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:43:37 GMT From: Anna Desarno Subject: Re: fruvous.com AngelCL7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/99 2:33:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcbridge@syr.edu > writes: > > << Is anyone else having trouble viewing fruvous.com? I've been trying to > get onto the site for the past 2 days, and all I get is a lovely grey > background! Help! > Leah >> > Same here! I tried everything! > ~~Crystal~~ I am having no trouble getting into fruvous.com. Sorry if this doesn't help = ( anna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:48:27 -0400 From: "Novac" Subject: Re: WBER interview star shaped wrote in message <19990809202146.04802.00009878@ng-bk1.aol.com>... >>The Frulads are "stopping by" the studio at noon tomorrow, so says Chris >>Andrews and Dr. Damien. (Thank you Melissa for listening to Rant) > > >hey, i listened to rant too. ;) ...it's at noon. > Uhh, I heard on the newsgroup that it's at noon... - --Novac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:03:43 GMT From: AngelCL7@aol.com Subject: Re: Fruvous.com In a message dated 8/9/99 10:36:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, luckiestar@sympatico.ca writes: << AngelCL7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/9/99 2:33:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lcbridge@syr.edu > writes: > > << Is anyone else having trouble viewing fruvous.com? I've been trying to > get onto the site for the past 2 days, and all I get is a lovely grey > background! Help! > Leah >> > Same here! I tried everything! > ~~Crystal~~ I am having no trouble getting into fruvous.com. Sorry if this doesn't help = ( anna >> I'm not having trouble anymore. It must've just been my computer. It's was messing up when I try to visit any website. ~~Crystal~~ "I'm Martin Sheen, I'm Steve McQueen, I'm Jimmy Dean" 08.10.99 ~Rolling Stone mag. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 03:02:57 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (star shaped) Subject: Re: WBER interview >Uhh, I heard on the newsgroup that it's at noon... uhh, sorry, i can in no way keep up with this newsgroup. sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/limezinger "how come you get to meet Deep Throat? i'm the one who saw the movie!" - bruce mcculloch in 'Dick' ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 03:11:42 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: A quick intro... Melanie took a bow: >I just joined the list >and thought I'd give a quick intro. Yay! Welcome to this fine loony bin! The first time I >saw, or even heard of moxy was at the Clearwater >festival. I was sitting right in front because I had >my spot staked out all day for Dar, and I decided to >stick around and check them out. I fell in love with >their stage presence and talent immediately. That's pretty much how we all found ourselves at this crossroads. :) Now I'm >going to see them on Friday in the city, and then >Monday at the beach. Come on over and introduce yourself! Look for all the silly people! (BTW, on Monday a bunch of us are supposedly meeting at the 7th Street Beach in Ocean City during the day -- I'll probably be there midafternoon. Look for a goofy blonde with a backpack and a ten-year-old boy in tow, talking a whole lot. That way you'll be able to avoid me. :) I can't even tell you how excited >I am. Ok, that's it, don't really want to bore you >guys with useless information about my life, but if >there's anything you would like to know feel free to >ask. What's your favorite book, candy, FruSong and Canadian province? Are you pro-Maryland or pro-Pennsylvania? That should cover it. Oh yes, drop by http://www.fruvous.com for all sorts of info about the band, their plans for global domination, how this coincides with the forthcoming total solar eclipse, and other sundry items of interest. Chris O grooves on the attention, too! :) - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:15:01 GMT From: "Snow In Summer" Subject: Re: All this future fruvous stuff A wise voice posting as Ross Hendry spaketh: What I am trying to say is basically 'shut up' to all these people who are already lamenting the loss of their band. So you won't be standing 3 foot away from them anymore maybe, so maybe they might not be able to come out afterwards quite so often. You would trade what makes the guys happy for the chance once every so often of you being able to say hello? How selfish. Ross, dear, can i hug you? i have felt the exact same way since the "old guard" has started to whine about how "they're losing the band to all these new fans" my words to them: Fruvous is *not* your band... you do not own them, no matter how many shows you attend, how much merch you buy nor how much you talk to them. They are simply a band whose music we all like & who happen to be genuinely nice guys... and for that we should support them in whatever move they make. We shouldn't covet them and hide them away as though they were our little secret. We should share Fruvous & and everything they are with as many people as possible (what happened to the days of convert everyone if you can?) I wish Fruvous all the best and i will gladly give up my place front row Stage Murray if the band is happy where they are and getting the recognition they deserve. however, i will be damned if i give up that space to someone who wants to keep the band out of the light & away from they (possibly) want & (definitely) deserve. I'll see you in the SEC, at T In The Park and maybe even Glastonbury! Say hello to that ginger haired guy crushed against the barriers at the front desperately trying to sing along and you can bet he'll buy you a drink and be wholly positive about you being there. Ross, if fruvous is at Glastonbury (and if whatever country i'm living in at the time allows me out), can you save me a small space up front? There's a couple pints in it for you. :-) - - Amy, thrilled to death that Fruvous is getting the recognition they deserve "With freedom of speech, the accent is not on the speech itself but to the right to say it. And the right of the freedom of the press is the right to read it or hear it." Lenny Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:11:58 -0400 From: "^kat^" Subject: i'm BACK!!! and i have questions... wheeee! ahh, it's good to log back on my favorite newsgroup... since mid-june my computer has been inoperative, and i only got my new machine hooked up last friday. [for all ye techie types who care, it's a pentium III 450 MHz w/ 14.4 GB HD & 256 MB RAM. i'm awfully proud--my last computer was a pentium 60 relic that still had that faulty chip. ;p] since then i've sorted through 632 new msgs [darn those prolific treefort / nookers...] and reveled in the array of new tour dates. i feel a bit miffed that were i remaining in ohio this fall, i'd have 3 more tour dates than i will being in new haven... but i digress. ;p so... it seems i've missed quite a lot. what is NOW magazine & why did they choose jian for an interview? i read in the quill that they'll be promoting a new single--what track is it? and is the consensus really that this album is going to bring a deluge of mainstream success? *sigh* my mother and i have discussions about that more often than i'd care to admit. we all want fruvous to be our own special band... but yet, at the same time, we know that keeping them all to ourselves is not only denying others the joy of hearing their music, but hurting the lads themselves. i know it's nearly impossible, but i must admit that the kind of mass popularity i'd prefer is the exponential growth of friends handing others cds and saying, "here, have a listen--you'll love this." the music just seems more personal, more *real* that way. i wouldn't deny fruvous a million fans gained through word of mouth. *heh* yeah, i'm an idealist at heart. it's just the whole concept of mass marketing that, to me, is so unappealing. it too often seems to cater to those flavor-of-the-week people who, if they heard a frusong on the radio and considered it trendy, would buy the album only to trade it at the used cd store for the next great thing when he/she tires of it a couple months later. sure, sure, i know--these fans will go as quickly as they come, and then the band will be back with its true supporters once more. but it's that transition time that will be so hard. *sigh* i'm definitely behind them 100% no matter what they do, but i can't say i won't feel wistful when the break comes. anyway. on a lighter note... friendly greetings to all of you i've met / seen again in my fru-wanderings these last couple months [ann arbor, toronto, falcon ridge]: josh, sara, donna, dan, joe, bridget, becky, aj, george, andrea, paul, trace, lori, gordon... it's so nice to have faces for all these names. :) and for the rest of you, well, mom & i are already plotting our buffalo adventure for NYE, & we'll be hitting the nov. 19 philly show on my way back home for thanksgiving break [*perfect* timing, lads. thanks. *grin*]. so, good night all, and have pleasant dreams of thornhill (10 hours till i have it in my hands!)-- ^kat^ "once it's gone it won't come back..." http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 03:49:21 GMT From: acaia78@aol.com (Acaia78) Subject: Re: The Band Has Four Members chad wrote: >No, Dave has an awesome voice. >He definately has a future as a crooner. I think so, too -- I could definitely see him singing something like "What I Did for Love" in some Murph and the Magic-Tones type band. His voice is also the most fun to imitate. Carey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:42:37 -0400 From: Josh Woodward Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fruhead.Com is open! Greetings, all.. happy Thornhill day! I'm happy to announce that Fruhead.Com is now open to the world! Feel free to hop on over and play around to your heart's content! Let me know if you have problems. Also - congratulations to Brent & Marianne Miller. They have won the logo contest for FHDC, and are the winners of a show or two from my collection. Thanks a *bunch* to the rest of you who submitted entries in the contest. I'll be glad to do a show for blanks/postage for each of you! Enjoy the site, and GO BUY THORNHILL! TODAY! :-) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:49:02 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: Gotta roll with it On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:19:31 GMT, misty wrote: Hiya Misty, I'm gonna reply to your post even though I don't like getting involved in these types of discussions because you strike me as being a nice person and certainly no troll. Please don't take anything I'm about to post the wrong way. That being said, I'm going to disagree with you on a couple of points, and may sound a bit bitchy myself. >Okay, > I don't mean to sound bitchy(if i can even say that on this oh so >proper discussion.) You can and did say it. I have no problems with it. I said it myself. >But the messages lately have really been getting >to me. I think you've actually hit the crux of the problem right here. The messages lately have been getting on a lot of people's nerves. You've come onboard at a time when we've been hit by several trolls in a short period of time, and no matter how often we may tell ourselves to just ignore trolls, the fact is that they often produce the extact reaction they were going for. Annoyance and outrage. Many posters and lurkers on amm-f are probably tired of getting people who just dive into the newsgroup with posts about how Moxy Fruvous sucks, the sexual preference of band members, and attempted discussions and judgments of aspects of band member's private lives. The former are easier to ignore than the two latter. I believe many people respond in one way or another to those posts because the originators of those posts are attempting to use our very *public* forum to broadcast and discuss issues that constitute an invasion of the bandmembers' privacy. I know that *I* deplore any such attempt at the public dissemination of the band's private lives, and usually want it clearly understood that I neither approve of the public discussion of those issues, nor want to take active part in them. Call me self-righteous or elitist, it doesn't matter to me. I've lost patience with trolls who start these threads, and I really don't have a problem with the satirical replies to them. I think they get the message across and usually don't start flame wars (not to mention the fact that those satirical replies usually give me a chuckle). >First off I think that Moxy was all about having fun and had a >real free excepting vibe. Although this discussion group (for the most >part) has ruined that for me. Let's be clear here. What you seem to be reacting to are the responses to the trolls. I don't think that has much to do with how we normally carry on our discussions, which are playful, helpful, and chock full of wonderful vibe. Troll threads aside, I find this NG to be caring and loving, and always willing to meet and accept new people. I would simply ask that before you sit in judgment on us, stick around and observe how friendly we really are. Don't simply judge us based upon a few reactions to inappropriate, troll-like posts. We are nice people, but even nice people sometimes get annoyed or testy under certain circumstances. We at amm-f may not be perfect, but we're normal people who prefer to live and post in harmony, respect and silliness. >I mean why are you going to even play >that game of I'm a better fan than you. (too damn many faces) Except >anyone who enjoys. I mean you all should really make like club cards or >something just to make sure someone who isn't a complete fanatic gets >into a show(god forbid.) I'll answer that by saying that you are attributing a very minority point of view to the entire newsgroup. I don't care how big Fruvous gets or doesn't get. I love em to death and will always try my hardest to see them live whenever I can. I also love meeting new fruheads (meaning either newbies or fruheads I haven't met yet). > And this whole waves thing.....First off that letter made me >sick...then all your replies had the same affect. If you dont like her >letter(wich I didn't either) than tell her but who the hell cares about >her grammer. Can we all say anal retentive? For gods sake loosen up a >little bit and have some fun. I bet you'll be a lot happier that way. I don't care about her grammar, or anyone elses. That would be the pot calling the kettle black as I WAY overuse commas :-) >You should all move to this little factory town i used to live in. Its >chalk full of closed minded people. I'm not going to say anything, because you probably already realize that this is a flame :-) > Sorry I know this does not apply to everyone. Im going on a run to >blow off some steam now. (It really got to me that much!) Don't sweat it so much. Flame wars happen now and then, even on a newsgroup as friendly as this one. My own motto is, if I can't stand the heat, I'll stay out of the particular discussion thread. I don't let it get to me anymore. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org "Part of a new, emerging feminist movement." ~Jian commenting on his Brittany Spears t-shirt: 7/24/99 Crisis, Get Help ~Anagram of "The Spice Girls" ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #678 ********************************************