From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #617 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, July 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 617 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OT: Its a Different World... [Paul Mischler ] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [snonsumr@aol.complainte (Snow In Summer] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: OT: Its a Different World... ["Cameron Ross" ] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7)] Re: HELP pronunciation ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Live Webcast w/ Moxy Fruvous!! ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: New Graphic On FDC! [mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie)] Re: "bla" songs (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) ["Cara (Laika) Kozack" ] Re: New Graphic On FDC! ["KatieWow" ] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [Josh Woodward ] RE: Falcon Ridge Forecast: RAIN, and lots of it. ["Wood, Nancy" ] Re: muppets! [Melanie ] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [ChinaCat ] Re: Its a Different World... ["Erring" ] FRFF: just a song before i go... [ChinaCat ] Re: "bla" songs (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lor] Re: *sigh* do *all* my newsfeeds bite? [Chad Maloney ] Re: OT: Its a Different World... [T ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:09:35 -0400 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... I sing along until I see the person in front of me plug their ears and give me dirty looks, and I realize that I am a bit out of tune ;-) - -Paul Mischler Angie wrote: > I have a habit of belting out tunes during the show. I really am not conscious of doing it, I just feel compelled to sing along. > > > "Don't do it, we hate it." kinda thing. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 1999 04:16:34 GMT From: snonsumr@aol.complainte (Snow In Summer) Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... Angie wondered-- >what are your opinions on fans singing >along with the band during concerts? ask anyone who has ever stood near me at a show, i sing along *loudly*. Loud is to the point of waiting for Murray to say during/after a show, "stop singing. you're off key & throwing the band off" (or something to that effect). I haven't had anyone say anything to me & considering i'm Stage Murray 99% of the time, someone would have said something. - -Amy *obligatory .sig* Snow In Summer mka Amy Brunner "You're quasi-evil Scott. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie, not evil enough." -Dr. Evil, AP: TSWSM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:22:49 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... Angie wrote: > So, I now feel compelled to present the same question to you as a > representative FruFan body... what are your opinions on fans singing along > with the band during concerts? If I'm breaking concert etiquette here, I'll > either banish myself to the back of the crowd or stuff a t-shirt in my mouth > for the duration of the concert. Well, it depends... if someone near you is taping, it's probably a bad idea to sing along really loud. I think for Fruvous songs, there's a lot that *everyone* sings along to... like the Drinking Song, for example. But at the Vault show in June, there were a *lot* of people singing to most of the songs. I think most clubs have enough amplification that individuals won't be heard, and if enough people are singing along, the effect is kind of cool, since the actual vocals will still be audible over the audience. It also depends on the venue. A place like the Ramshead in Annapolis, which strikes me as being kind of fascist about more than just the age restrictions, allows absolutely no talking, and presumably no singing along, either, since it would be too "distracting." (I can't remember whether there was singing last year) But I'd say for the most part that it's ok as long as it isn't obnoxious. I liked Murray's comment about people singing along at the Vault that they should only sing along if they have perfect pitch. :) I think it would bother me, too, if someone were singing loudly in my ear and they were off key. Then again, I don't think I'd be able to tell someone to stop singing, either, even if they were badly off key. :) Hmmm, that was more than 2 cents worth, wasn't it? :) - -- Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:44:05 GMT From: "Cameron Ross" Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... I was expecting this, being a lurker on the Susan Werner list :) I personally think that it is a little better with most of moxy, because, well, for the most part it is louder... I remember being able to belt out songs and not even hear it myself sometimes... but if it is quiet then try not to be loud, I've perfected being able to belt out the lyrics, just not let the sound go out, it's basically the same :) General rule... if you can hear a number of other people singing along... why not, one more person won't really hurt. - --00-- Life101 --00-- just my .02 cents... going slowly broke here "It must be raining, cause a man ain't supposed to cry" -They Might Be Giants - -=( mental.nu/~life101| ICQ#39307347 )=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:27:25 -0300 From: "Jim Carison" Subject: !!!Get a free joke every day!!! Hi!, I just wanted to let everyone know of this great new joke site I found. Its free and all the jokes are sent to your mail box automatically every day! The address is superjokes.hypermart.net . Check it out! It's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 1999 04:44:31 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... I recently had a revelation. Now this most likely will reveal me as not being exactly the brightest penny in the pond, but I always sang along, and just assumed no one could hear me. Because *I* can't hear me. Silly me. I was at two concerts recently (one being fruvous, the other not) where the person behind me sang LOUDLY and very out of tune. To the point where I might as well hjave just paid my money to hear them. It was bad. In both cases they shut up after a few songs, only to reapear every now and again. So now I realize what I subjected everyone who's ever stood in front of me to. (If any ofyou are here, accept my deepest sympathies and apologies) But I love to sing, and won't stop. I just do it a little softer, except when the band (who ever they may be) stops singing so we can sing instead. Then I figure they want us to be loud ;-) ~jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23"-- Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."--Rent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:34:05 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: HELP pronunciation Raenfaerie@aol.com wrote: > > I confess i had that on manual repeat trying to figure it out. You think it is hard now? Try figuring out how to pronounce his name when he is spelling it Jean? (Especially in a partly French-speaking country where MANY people are called Jean but not the same Jean as Jian! Follow that? Good! A.J. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:34:08 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Live Webcast w/ Moxy Fruvous!! Kate Leahy wrote: > unfortunately, what you stumbled upon is an archived > webcast of the 10.10.98 früvous show at the metro in > chicago. Um, actually the show was at Martyr's. Anal A.J. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 1999 05:58:20 GMT From: mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie) Subject: Re: New Graphic On FDC! Hahaha Mike's head looks like he should be in Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody" video. Lololololol :) Nice graphic. - -Mocks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 05:38:29 GMT From: "Cara (Laika) Kozack" Subject: Re: "bla" songs (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) I don't like to upset this conversation with this comment but I really don't have a Fru-lad that I like the best (song wise anyway ;)). I prefer the songs that are really a group effort, like pretty much all of them on 'b'. I have to admit however that I liked Fell In Love and Love set Fire the first time I heard it but not as much as other songs that are sung by the group as a whole. But when I first heard of I Will Hold On I thought to myself "Oh no Fruvous has started going mushy on me". The solo songs are okay but I feel that it kind of ruins the experience of listening to Moxy when I break it down into the parts and try to pick a favorite. BTW I almost dislike those solo songs after a few listening and I have occastionally skipped listening to some of them, but I won't say which ones. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:18:10 GMT From: 49md87@aol.com Subject: Substantially increase your Business Profits!! HOW TO SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE SALES: Easily accept major credit cards right away! ******Act now and all App. & Processing fees waived***** call our 800# now! Our courteous customer care reps. are anxious to help you get your merchant account today. Merchant Status will help you increase sales by an incredible 50% to 400%. Stop losing valuable sales! With one phone call you can be: accepting major credit cards today! Accepting checks over the net or by Fax! Accepting real time processing for member sites! Gaining costumer loyalty and trust! 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Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:40:00 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Live Webcast w/ Moxy Fruvous!! >Um, actually the show was at Martyr's. i stand corrected :). ~~kate, who mixed it up with the guster webcast from the metro :) - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org **************************************************** "You're not going to Canada unless that room's clean!" - --My Dad, 6.27.99 **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:40:54 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: New Graphic On FDC! sources say that mike's head is bigger because it's cut through by the batman-laser-symbol effect :). ~~kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org **************************************************** "You're not going to Canada unless that room's clean!" - --My Dad, 6.27.99 **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 1999 12:36:24 GMT From: Josh Woodward Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... Angie wrote: : So, I now feel compelled to present the same question to you as a : representative FruFan body... what are your opinions on fans singing along : with the band during concerts? If I'm breaking concert etiquette here, I'll : either banish myself to the back of the crowd or stuff a t-shirt in my mouth : for the duration of the concert. This might be the taper in me speaking, but I'll give my thoughts on the whole "singing along at the concert" issue. The ethics of singing along depend a *lot* on the situation. During the louder songs in a non-quiet venue while not around a taper, great. Everybody goes to a concert to enjoy it in different ways, and everyone deserves their enjoyment (except perhaps Francis, the shirtless fratboy) But -- there are certain situations where singers get on my nerves. 1) Quiet songs. C'mon. The band is trying to create an intimate mood. Songs like Nuits De Reve are much less effective when the person next to you is belting it out in broken French louder than the band. 2) Near the band. If you're in the front row, remeber that the band can probably hear you, well. If you sing better than Fruvous, you should be playing your own gig somewhere. If not, you might be throwing them off and causing the show to be not-as-perfect for everyone. 3) A quiet venue. A venue like the Ark, where the audience is almost silent, even through the louder songs. You'll stand out in even the louder songs in a place like this unless you sing quietly. 4) Around a taper. This is stickier. It's much appreciated to move away from tapers if you're going to sing or talk. Our rights to enjoy a show are no greater than your rights, but remember that you'll be caught in all your glory for many to hear later. You'd be amazed how many people will be feet away from your mics and singing loudly off- key the whole show, and expect a copy afterwards. "Yeah, I'll get right on that..." Typically there's no problem with Fruheads and this. I tend to be in the middle/back of a venue and haven't had many problems with Fruheads singing (non-Fruheads talking on the other hand..) About the *worst* thing I've seen was not Fruvous at all -- it was the co-billed Martin Sexton and Fruvous show in Milwaukee a couple months back. There were a group of 5 or 6 female Sexton fans who stood up front in this silent venue and sang VERY loudly along with most of the set. Not only that, but Martin is a very improvisational player -- during the improvs they would sing pseudo-scat (loudly still) while he was trying to play. These people were obviously big fans of his, since they knew even the more obscure songs. But, I left the venue with a terrible impression of his fans because of a few who went way overboard. Sorry for the rant, had to get it off my chest. Leaving for FRFF in 2 hours and counting! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:43:58 GMT From: "Wood, Nancy" Subject: RE: Falcon Ridge Forecast: RAIN, and lots of it. Josh said: >>>A warning to those of you heading to Falcon Ridge this weekend -- if you don't like to be wet, I'd recommend bringing an umbrella and other assorted wetness-eliminators. Weather Underground is forecasting thunderstorms all weekend<<< I had checked www.accuweather.com yesterday and it said rain Friday morning, but no rain the rest of the weekend. Today it says rain Friday, and rain Saturday morning only. I hope it isn't going to rain Saurday AND Sunday - blech! http://www.accuweather.com/weatherf/iwxpage_mainf_qx01?zipcode=12529&partner =AccuWeather Nancy - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Nancy Wood "When children learn to count they naturally add and multiply. Subtraction and division are harder to teach them, perhaps because reducing the world is an adult skill." ~Jeanette Winterson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:06:28 GMT From: Melanie Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... A slightly different viewpoint. I love to sing, too, but I go to the concerts to hear Moxy Fruvous. At RIT in April, the singing got so loud, I could hardly actually hear the band. (Then there was the group, totally under the influence, doing a chorus line kick and singing something COMPLETELY non-Fruvous like New York, New York--during The Drinking Song. How appropriate.) My experience is that most Fruvous fans are pretty nice, so if no one's said anything to you if you've been singing loudly, it's not that they're NOT annoyed, they're just being polite. My plea--sing softly at the concert so that we can all enjoy the band, but when you listen to the CDs belt out the songs as loud as you can. I guess I'm in the same place as Josh, but his response was more reasoned, helpful, and perhaps with less of an edge than this. Sorry if I sound bitchy. melanie@redeemer-cincy.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:41:28 GMT From: Melanie Subject: Re: muppets! Whoa, I just zoned with a great day dream. Anyone remember the old Muppet Show? Imagine Moxy Fruvous as guest stars. I can just see Jian in a sketch with that right wing Eagle guy, or sitting up with the hecklers in the balcony. (Can't remember names.) How about Murray in the operating room with Dr. Bob and Nurse Janice; Mike confusing Fozzie Bear; and Dave, well, I still can't lose the image of Dave playing the bagpipe--maybe a bagpipe which is also a muppet. Ooo, Ooo, Ji with Animal on the drums. The possibilities are endless. Has anyone introduced Moxy Fruvous to Jim Henson Productions? It could be a match made in heaven--or some weird, demented, but very funny version thereof. melanie "From a corporate HR office: 'Please send us a list of all employees broken down by sex.' Reply: 'We have no employees broken down by sex, but we do have a few alcoholics.'" melanie@redeemer-cincy.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:44:27 GMT From: ChinaCat Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... In article <37969C99.66787674@tmbg.org>, zaph@tmbg.org wrote: > It also depends on the venue. A place like the Ramshead in Annapolis, > which strikes me as being kind of fascist about more than just the age > restrictions, allows absolutely no talking, and presumably no singing > along, either, since it would be too "distracting." (I can't remember > whether there was singing last year) yes, there was. relax, guys, if you lean over and say something to the person next to you, the Talking Police aren't going to come and haul you away. those signs on the table at the Birchmere and the Ramshead are to keep you from spending $15 to hear fruvous sing and hear instead the conversation of the two women to your right who are just thrilled to see each other because they haven't been together since, oh, was it this afternoon at work?... anyway, you know how irritating it is to go to a movie and have someone behind you blabbing away the whole time, or to see fruvous and have some idiot screaming for the drinking song every 12 minutes? well, those signs are there so that the managment of the RH or the BM can approach those people and politely tell them to shush, or get booted. and while i prefer shows where i can get up and dance, i have no problem with this; it means i actually get to hear the band. *really* *well.* the RH show last july was my second fruvous show, and the incredibly stirring I Shall Be Released at the end is one of my favorite show moments to date. *shiver* see? it still gives me shivers. so don't worry that you're going to be persecuted for asking someone to pass the salt. in answer to angie's question, if i can hear someone around me singing, most likely i wish i couldn't. i came to hear the band-- no matter how nice your voice is, you're not who i paid money to hear. it's not a problem as long as you're not singing over the band. if you are, that's kind of inconsiderate, IMO. i can definitely see this as being a problem at susan werner shows-- fruvous less so, because they have a louder sound. i sing at shows, too, but never loud enough for anyone to hear me. i know i'm tone-deaf and have no desire to share that with anyone. i do sing at the top of my lungs whenever i'm alone in my car and that helps to satisfy my craving. ;) peace, ellen *************************************************** You could laugh and cry in a single sound... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:54:28 -0400 From: "Erring" Subject: Re: Its a Different World... Just to add my $.02, as with most things, it all depends. The thing is to be respectful to the people around you without letting an overly uptight person make you feel uncomfortable. I agree that if you are near someone who is taping, try to be on the quite side...the tape might end up in alot of fruheads hands, and unless you have a really good voice...the tape sounds fairly awful. During a quite song, if you sing too loudly the band will probably give you strange looks. During standard or really up songs like KOS or DS, put as much energy out there as you want/can. I think the lads (or any band for that matter) gets pumped up and puts on a better show when people are into the music (and singing along is the best way that they can see this). I think that a live show is where you connect with the band (and is singing out loud is the way you connect, then you should do it). But if you think that you are going to offend too many people, just bring it down a notch or find a place where you dont think you will annoy others. Just remember two things when you go to the concert. 1) you paid good money to see and enjoy the boys play, and 2) so did the person next to you. Anyway, just my $.02 (obviously not being paid by the word). Eric Angie wrote in message <19990722034447.25281.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net>... >Hey folks... > >this is sort of off topic, but I wanted to share this and also find out what >feelings were in the Fruvous group. For those that have been around me during >concerts you know I have a habit of belting out tunes during the show. I >really am not conscious of doing it, I just feel compelled to sing along. > >Well, something made me decide to ask about this at the Susan Werner Mailing >list (since I'll be seeing her on Sat and Sun) and I'm glad I did. They >didn't actually bite my head off, but it was a resounding "Don't do it, we >hate it." kinda thing. This is in no way meant in offense to any "believers" >who cross-subscribe, I just got this whole "hey, welcome to the club but don't >go steppin' outta line" kinda feeling. > >I'm sure a lot of it is the type of performer Susan is and her type of music, >but I certainly felt myself backed in a corner with fingers wagging at me >going "No no no no no." ;^) > >So, I now feel compelled to present the same question to you as a >representative FruFan body... what are your opinions on fans singing along >with the band during concerts? If I'm breaking concert etiquette here, I'll >either banish myself to the back of the crowd or stuff a t-shirt in my mouth >for the duration of the concert. > >The SW mailing list definitely has a far different atmosphere than here... >some places you just hafta call home... > >--Angie >cowering in a corner, licking her wounds > >They say that the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions... well, at least >it will be a smooth ride > >--me > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:18:06 GMT From: ChinaCat Subject: FRFF: just a song before i go... leave it to me to start a message to the fruvous newsgroup with a hippie song lyric. hey y'all, the car's packed and at 1PM i shall scoop up loren and amanda at the greenbelt metro and we will make our way north. to borrow a line from that sage homer j, "woo hoo!" if you're wandering around the campgrounds this weekend, and you see a blue&white REI tent with a bright gold rainfly next to a green subaru wagon, and a great big square of glorious tie dye rippling proudly in the breeze, well that's me so feel free to wave in my general direction. peace, and everybody have a great weekend whatever you're doing... ellen *************************************************** You could laugh and cry in a single sound... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jul 1999 15:44:04 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: "bla" songs (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) chad wondered: >I've also wondered how they fit all of their stuff in the van, >but since they don't have the van anymore, I guess there isn't >much of a point in that one anymore. Don't they teach this in Frühead 101? You must have been absent that day, dear. I just hope the FrüProfs don't dock you corruption points for not knowing the answer.[1] - -- Lori, who is fueling herself with a FrütCooler this morning. Honestly. Even though there's no Früt in it -- it's cappucino. [1] Jenga. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:46:15 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: *sigh* do *all* my newsfeeds bite? Alex Prestin wrote: > > Maybe I've finally found a newsfeed that doesn't totally suck? I sure hope so. The newsfeed I use from newsguy (see http://www.newsguy.com) which was formerly zippo is great. I have no complaints whatsoever. Check them out. It isn't too expensive either. Or if you don't mind the email, you can sign up to the mail<-->news gateway. It also has a good newsfeed and can get you most of the ramblings we call a.m.m-f when they come out or in larger easier to digest chunks. Check out http://www.fruvous.com/other.html for more information on the mail<-->news gateway. - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:38:09 -0500 From: T Subject: Re: OT: Its a Different World... cookie wrote: > > Josh Woodward wrote: > > > Typically there's no problem with Fruheads and this. I tend to be in > > the middle/back of a venue and haven't had many problems with Fruheads > > singing (non-Fruheads talking on the other hand..) > > I agree. I've never been bothered by people singing. TALKING during a > quiet song... yes. But I've never noticed anyone singing along > loudly--at least so far. The woman I sat next to at the Milwaukee show was handed drumsticks because she was mouthing all the words along with the guys and Jian totally noticed this. She let me touch them. > > About the *worst* > > thing I've seen was not Fruvous at all -- it was the co-billed Martin > > Sexton and Fruvous show in Milwaukee a couple months back. There were > > a group of 5 or 6 female Sexton fans who stood up front in this silent > > venue and sang VERY loudly along with most of the set. Not only that, > > but Martin is a very improvisational player -- during the improvs they > > would sing pseudo-scat (loudly still) while he was trying to play. > > These people were obviously big fans of his, since they knew even the > > more obscure songs. But, I left the venue with a terrible impression > > of his fans because of a few who went way overboard. What was odd to me was that for one or two songs the call & response worked well, but for other songs it was a detraction. It was nice of them to go back to the bar or leave when mf started, though. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #617 ********************************************