From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #608 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, July 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 608 Today's Subjects: ----------------- fruvous on WPST (97.5)? [truztno1 ] Re: OT: How Many Guys are Deceptively Small (was: something about merchandise) [srm9988n@aol.composter (Lor] Re: OT: How Many Guys are Deceptively Small (was: something [Melanie ] Re: Buying Thornhill [ChinaCat ] Re: mom's "these guys" comments [Donna Hunt ] OT: GBS Turn (was:Re: mom's "these guys" comments) ["Cameron Ross" ] Re: OT: How Many Guys are Deceptively Small (was: something [wahrend@my-d] Re: OT: How Many Guys are Deceptively Small (was: something about merchandise) ["KatieWow" ] tickets for milestones [sawah9449@my-deja.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:07:29 -0400 From: truztno1 Subject: fruvous on WPST (97.5)? after a long, babbling, letter that i sent to 3 radio stations in my area (little do they know that my gushing about how i only listen to their station got sent out to all three of 'em) a few days ago, I got a (*gaspeth*) person response! (meaning non-automated e-mail). This was from WPST (97.5 fm), which can be heard through central jersey. it's broadcasted out of princeton (hey lisa/jihead... if i'm not mistaken, didn't you say you taught in princeton?). so, to get to the the point, if anybody in central jersey is going to be listening to the radio, occasionally tune in to PST and see what's up, ok? i can't guarantee that they'll start playing fruvous, it's pretty much a long shot, but the response from the producer- " I'll forward this along to our music people, and who knows maybe we will start playing them! Thanks for Listening!" has given me some hope.... finally, possibility of a frustation that i can actually listen to... ~truztno1 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 1999 19:33:32 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.composter (Lori Martin) Subject: Re: OT: How Many Guys are Deceptively Small (was: something about merchandise) re: this thread's new subject header: Steve politely enquires *who* is deciding, and *what* are the criteria for measuring, the deceptive smallness of *what*? - -- Lori ******************************* Lori's Strange and Wonderful World: http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html Früvous/amm-f factoids galore (courtesy of Colleen Campbell): http://www.fruvous.com/news/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:33:41 GMT From: Melanie Subject: Re: OT: How Many Guys are Deceptively Small (was: something >Steve politely enquires *who* is deciding, and *what* are the criteria >for >measuring, the deceptive smallness of *what*? And one might also ask "when"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:28:36 -0700 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: Buying Thornhill Josh Woodward wrote: > I don't see a problem with that. Even those people who aren't totally > familiar with the band know that MF stands for Murray Foster, and who > could find fault with promoting Murray? Amen. ciao, donna (who has spent plenty of time thinking of other things the MF can stand for... let's not forget Mike Ford or Manic Folk either!) :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:41:27 GMT From: ChinaCat Subject: Re: Buying Thornhill In article <7mvkmk$2ek$1@infoserver.bgsu.edu>, Josh Woodward wrote: > I don't see a problem with that. Even those people who aren't totally > familiar with the band know that MF stands for Murray Foster, and who > could find fault with promoting Murray? *ahem* or mike ford. peace, ellen *************************************************** I do not wish to be pale pink... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:46:26 -0700 From: Donna Hunt Subject: Re: mom's "these guys" comments I dunno about this out of tune thing. I was totally miffed, as a music teacher and the daughter of a musician--at insinuations that somehow I've been brainwashed into listening to Fruvous even though they're continually out of tune. [I've obviously been brainwashed into traveling long distances to see them... but that's another story] ***Disclaimer. Whoever posted the origional, I've lost it, it's now ***"expired" since I'm playing ketchup right now. I am not miffed at ***you, or your mom (or was it dad?)... I just got miffed by the Notion. :) Eeek. I can assure whoever's mom that if the lads were out of tune often, that I *couldn't* listen to them. And my father, raised in the big band era and therefore a man who rejects all things "pop" [read: past 1955] even commented that the guys had "Nice, tight harmonies." (aside: I really wish the guys would do an instore in Cleveland so I could take my dad, who generally doesn't stay awake past 10pm so I can't take him to a "real" show... assuming Fruvous *ever* comes back to Cleveland.) The voice is the most imperfect instrument, the most sensitive. Sometimes live, after singing for hours, and for hours for days, weeks, and months there are going to be blips and goofs and intonation problems. [I always worry when the guys sing GWS off-mic *after* singing for two hours already. That's HARD!] But this is not an out-of-tune band. I could name some out of tune bands... :) All right, that's my $.02. I didn't mean to rant. (is this a rant? if so, I'm sorry) who am I gonna see at FR???? ciao! donna ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:22:27 GMT From: "Cameron Ross" Subject: OT: GBS Turn (was:Re: mom's "these guys" comments) > (Somewhat OT: I just adore Great Big Sea, but doesn't Old Brown's Daughter > bother anyone else??? How could they not notice that Alan goes an entire > half step sharp??? Am I the only anal person in the world? Sigh. Still > one of my favorite songs.) Been looking for a reason to bring this up... has anyone else here noticed that Captain Wedderburn makes absolutely no sense for the first two verses? I mean, I get what's it's supposed to be saying, but it just says it so poorly. It makes almost no sense Small Spoiler Space 1) What law?!? 2) He wouldn't look purplexed! he would look upset! 3) how does answering 6 questions wave the law?! - --00-- Life101 --00-- "It must be raining, cause a man ain't supposed to cry" -They Might Be Giants - -=( mental.nu/~life101| ICQ#39307347 )=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:21:24 GMT From: jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andrea Krause) Subject: Re: Fru-Gear for non-FruFans? (Was Re: Buying Thornhill) On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:56:08 GMT, Kate Leahy wrote: >something tells me the guys have probably just been >waiting for a male to show up at a show in one of 'em. > don't underestimate the scope of their imaginations >:). >~~kate >=== >kate leahy >kleahy@loyola.edu >katiewow@fruhead.com Happened already at least once that I know of. I think it was at Katonah that a really cool Fruhead named BJ (Eddie Vedder guy to some out there...) bought one and proudly stood during the show wearing it, chest out, great deal of midriff bared by the size issue, and caught the guys' eyes. :) Andrea - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Moxy Früvous is a trust exercise." - Mike Ford 1/1/99 Pumpkins, Cookies, Tapes, and The Früvous Dance: http://users.ntplx.net/~jkpolk - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:19:42 -0400 From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: Fru-Gear for non-FruFans? (Was Re: Buying Thornhill) > Happened already at least once that I know of. I think it was at > Katonah that a really cool Fruhead named BJ (Eddie Vedder guy to some > out there...) I thought that was SONO 1998? At any rate, he suffered the same fate that I did at Clifton Park. Guys, if you're tall, don't stand front-row Stage Jian. - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:18:32 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: fruvous on WPST (97.5)? not to be a skeptic - but don't get your hopes up. PST is one of the least likely top-40 stations in the area to start playing früvous. they're kind of barely hanging on as it is, and chamces are they won't take a chance like that. work on Y100, though. they're well-established and far more receptive to breaking material. ~~kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org **************************************************** "You're not going to Canada unless that room's clean!" - --My Dad, 6.27.99 **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:22:46 GMT From: wahrend@my-deja.com Subject: Re: OT: How Many Guys are Deceptively Small (was: something OH, you crazy kids.. when are you going to learn, its not the size of the outfit, but the size of the man in the outfit! The reason that men can fit into smaller clothing (lack of hips or breasts aside) is because of the irony faery. Yes, the irony faery! That pranking little pixie. Blame it on the feary when you can't have dressing on your salad but the guy next to you can down a whole cheesecake. Blame on the faery when crossdresser has larger breasts and looks better in a skirt (even if he doesn't shave his legs). Irony, yes, it happens to everyone, indescriminant, horrible, bitter irony. Down with skinny men! "wild" Bill (back to the cave) - ----- I can learn to keep my promises, I swear it. I'll open up my heart and I will share it. Any minute now, I'll be born again! -- Saddam Hussein, "I can change" -- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:20:22 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: OT: How Many Guys are Deceptively Small (was: something about merchandise) *sigh* always starting trouble with your dirty mind :). anyone else who took the subject heading to have a less-than-pristine meaning, e-mail me privately and i'll tell you *explicitly* what you can do with your innuendo-creating minds :). ~~kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org **************************************************** "You're not going to Canada unless that room's clean!" - --My Dad, 6.27.99 **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:36:01 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: Setlist Ponderings [completely useless post] [warning * completely useless post *] :) (In agreement w/ the highly generous joe navratil) I think they've already left that box, having moved on to the Thornhill one, whatever that seems to be. Just from reading setlists, I see that about a third to half of every show is new tunes . . . that don't really fit the "funny ha-ha songs" classification. As for great harmonies, everything fruvous is harmonious and of course great!!! - -mm- formerly -maryam- > Are they keeping themselves in the "great harmonies, funny-ha-ha songs" > box for a reason? > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:25:30 GMT From: Jihead1@aol.com Subject: Re: OH NO!!!!! fruvous on WPST (97.5)? In a message dated 7/19/99 6:34:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kleahy@loyola.edu writes: << not to be a skeptic - but don't get your hopes up. PST is one of the least likely top-40 stations in the area to start playing früvous. they're kind of barely hanging on as it is, and chamces are they won't take a chance like that. >> My heart dropped when I saw the subject line of this email. Fruvous played on PST------ OH NO!!!!!!!!!! I agree with Kate. I personally can't listen to the station for more than 10 minutes. If Fruvous ever gets played on this station this is what their resume will look like by then: 1) Filmed a special for MTV 2) Filmed a Behind the Music for VH1 3) Guest on E! Entertainment 4) Numerous appearances on Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight, Extra!, and the talk show circuit in America. PST is a step behind everyone else. Take for example, this Ricky Martin thing. We all know how played out his is, but WPST was the LAST station in this area to play his "Loca" song. SORRY IF I'M FLIPPING OUT HERE!! = ) hahahahaha Now if we're going to concentrate on one station in NJ it would be 106.3 (I don't know the call letters). It's a station down the shore that plays, what they call, modern rock. I can see Fruvous being played on that ----if they haven't been already. I'm going to bug the hell out of them, so I hope I get some help. Whew!! I'm glad this email is over! HAHA Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:23:27 GMT From: "Cameron Ross" Subject: Hmmm, wonder where they got *this* idea > > Q: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > > A: 1,331: > > > > 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the list that the light bulb > > has been changed. > > > > 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the > > light bulb could have been changed differently. > > > > 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. > > > > 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about > > changing light bulbs. > > > > 53 to flame the spell checkers > > > > 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light > > bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. > > > > 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. > > > > 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take > > this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb > > > > 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling > > and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. > > > > 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light > > bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. > > > > 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, > > where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work > > best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. > > > > 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light > > bulbs > > > > 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post > > corrected URLs. > > > > 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to > > this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. > > > > 33 to summarize all posts to date, then quote them including > > all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." > > > > 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they > > cannot handle the light bulb controversy. > > > > 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." > > > > 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. > > > > 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. > > > > 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, > > leave it here. > > > > 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. - --00-- Life101 --00-- "It must be raining, cause a man ain't supposed to cry" -They Might Be Giants - -=( mental.nu/~life101| ICQ#39307347 )=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:52:20 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: Fru-Gear for non-FruFans? (Was Re: Buying Thornhill) What happened? << (Or that now-defunct boyfriend shirt?) >> > Hey, if Jian can wear his "boyfriend" shirt, why the hell can't > men wear the Canadian Boys shirt? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:01:44 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: Setlist Ponderings Um, maybe that's because they're sold out of Bargainville. happens more often than one might think - and that's a very very good thing. (like the abbreviation, though) And GOOD NEWS! Barnes & Noble carries Wood and the b album! So does Tower, on alternate Tuesdays. :) - -mm- > i bet you find LN and possibly YWGTTM. 8 times out of 10, > i bet you don't find B'ville. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:48:31 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: "bla" songs (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) AGGGGGHHHH! Is anyone else confused with these "so-and-so" songs? Every song is a Fruvous song to me, b/c everyone plays/sings, etc, even if only one person is on lead or does vocals. It just seems like the only "bla" songs we hear discussed are "Jian" songs. (Not that there's anything WRONG with that) I counted them up and found that this is slightly biased. Why? : Murray - 5 Jian - 10 Mike - 13 Dave - 9 collaborations - 13 OK, so I'm really bored. Quotes below inspired this collosal waste of time. - -mm- << Jian's storytelling songs >> << the relationshippy Jian songs >> << It's a Jian song the last I heard it. It's not a Fruvous song. They could have tried to make it into a Fruvous song >> << My Poor Generation moved from Dave song to Fruvous song. >> << If Only You Knew went from Fordy song to Fruvous song >> << When She Talks seems more of a Fruvous song. >> ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 1999 23:29:15 GMT From: snonsumr@aol.complainte (Snow In Summer) Subject: Re: Setlist Ponderings LN asked: >i'm just wondering where you get this idea. from my own experience. not every budding fruhead lives in a fruvous-friendly area. i lived in Pittsburgh for the longest time, an area not known for being liked by fruvous (see the past tours if you don't believe me). i only had access to a 3rd generation copy of B-ville (which i still own, due to being incredibly poor). i only own YWGTTM because my college paper didn't want their copy & said "here, you like this CD... take it." i didn't have any sort of copy of b or wood until early this year. and Live Noise is the only fruvous CD i have bought. >the band feels the need to play to them [Kos/GE&H] every night. maybe, just maybe, the band *likes* playing these songs. i'm not one to speak for Fruvous, but there are songs that every band likes to play (ex: the Cure likes to play A Forest, U2 likes to play Sunday Bloody Sunday, the Clarks like to play Cigarette [cookies if you get that one], Rusted Root likes to play Cruel Sun) and as for me, the first fruvous song i heard *was* KoS. it was on a mix tape after Ana Ng, that my friend was playing while we drove the College shuttle. i got B-ville months later after i found someone (from Williamsville, NY) who had a copy. i saw my first show a year from then... in Buffalo. - -Amy, in a really bad mood after finding out that her mom is being stalked again *obligatory .sig* Snow In Summer mka Amy Brunner "You're quasi-evil Scott. You're semi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie, not evil enough." -Dr. Evil, AP: TSWSM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:27:40 GMT From: Jihead1@aol.com Subject: Re: "bla" songs (was Re: Setlist Ponderings) In a message dated 7/19/99 8:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Raenfaerie@aol.com writes: << It just seems like the only "bla" songs we hear discussed are "Jian" songs. >> I resent that comment!!! HAHAHA = ) Can we help it if he's got such an amazing voice!?!? ; ) Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:16:30 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: Re: Setlist Ponderings in fact, KoS is how I introduce people to Fruvous. Their reaction is always the same: "? :puzzled looks: . . . this is really strange . . . :laughter: . . . ahhhh, um . . . :more laughter: . . . wait, what is this? this is kind of cool . . ." several songs later, the deed is done. - -mm- > and as for me, the first fruvous song i heard *was* KoS. it was on a mix > tape ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:23:35 GMT From: Jihead1@aol.com Subject: CD sites (was: Setlist Ponderings) In a message dated 7/19/99 8:04:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Raenfaerie@aol.com writes: << and that's a very very good thing. (like the abbreviation, though) And GOOD NEWS! Barnes & Noble carries Wood and the b album! >> I ordered my "B" album on www. totale.com. It was only $7.98 and they're running a special right now for 99 cents shipping and handling (no matter how many CD's you order). Have fun!! Lisa Bills ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:31:15 GMT From: Raenfaerie@aol.com Subject: HELP pronunciation In case i'm ever called upon to recite moxy fruvous etc.'s names in public . . . could someone help me out? There's no pronunciation guide on the bio website in FDC. How the heck does one pronounce the guys' names, first and last? Dave Matheson - is this MAYTH-son or MATH-eh-son? Jian Ghomeshi - it IS Ghomeshi, right? And "the exact pronunciation can't be reproduced in English sounds" or whatever doesn't help much. Mike Ford - ok, i'm not that stupid Murray Foster - This is just normal MURR-ee, right? thank you, i'm very very confused :) - -mm- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:20:03 GMT From: Jihead1@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: Jobless bum In a message dated 7/19/99 1:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katrin@dimensional.com writes: k@ wrote to Cheesemonkey: << 96-97 Year In Job Hell (ask me later; it's another post)....... Here's a little secret: It's *really easy,* when you're low on the company totem pole, to be the smartest one in your department >> Jen, I'm too lazy to actually go out and interview for a summer job so I went to a temp agency. It's GREAT if they get you a job in your field, but I'm working at a law firm for the month of July (9-5 YUCK!! --I'm used to the "9-3:20 AND having fun" teaching job) and cannot wait for August to come around. You might have better luck going to your College/University Career Development Center or to a headhunter (a permanent job placement agency). Thank goodness, I've got Fruvous shows to put me out of my misery!!!! = ) All I know is that I'm going to create a bumper sticker for my car that says: I'D RATHER BE TEACHING!!!!!!! hahaha Good Luck! Lisa Bills PS There's a movie called Clockwatchers (one of the stars is Parker Posey) about temp workers---- so for anyone that has "temped" it's a great movie to rent. It will hit home!! = ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:23:38 GMT From: jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andrea Krause) Subject: Re: Fru-Gear for non-FruFans? (Was Re: Buying Thornhill) On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:19:42 -0400, "Adam Hartfield" wrote: >> Happened already at least once that I know of. I think it was at >> Katonah that a really cool Fruhead named BJ (Eddie Vedder guy to some >> out there...) > >I thought that was SONO 1998? > >At any rate, he suffered the same fate that I did at Clifton Park. Guys, if >you're tall, don't stand front-row Stage Jian. > >--Adam >adamh@javanet.com > Sorry I wasn't clear...the shirt thing happened at Katonah, but I was just using the SoNo Eddie Vedder guy thing to identify him to people who might know that bit but not know who BJ is. :) Andrea - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Moxy Früvous is a trust exercise." - Mike Ford 1/1/99 Pumpkins, Cookies, Tapes, and The Früvous Dance: http://users.ntplx.net/~jkpolk - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:38:44 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: HELP pronunciation dave matheson: dayv math-uh-son (also, day-voh) jian ghomeshi: zhee-ahn go-meh-shee (he's gonna murder me for that one :) mike ford: for-dee murray foster: murr-man ~~kate - -- Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org **************************************************** "You're not going to Canada unless that room's clean!" - --My Dad, 6.27.99 **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:30:45 GMT From: sawah9449@my-deja.com Subject: tickets for milestones I may be asking for *way* too much (since i'm all ready and psyched for FR), but does anyone have or know of someone who has an extra ticket or two to the milestones show in rochester? being on an extreme backwoods turn-off of the information highway this summer, I just found out about the concert yesterday and where to get tickets today. :( Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #608 ********************************************