From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #500 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, June 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 500 Today's Subjects: ----------------- unsub [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Re: Etymology (was: the war on gayness) [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town [Tim C] Re: boulder show review - the non-violent approach [fruwench@aol.com (Fru] Re: Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town ["Neil] 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! [Josh Woodward ] Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! [Lawrence P Solomon ] Re: The war on those cat freaks [Leah ] Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! ["Andrew Newman" ] Re: Friendship Festival, 7/3/99 ["Meghan Grammer" ] Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! [jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClu] Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor/JoshWoodward:My New Best Friend;) [skystar117@aol.c] Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! [Josh Woodward ] Re: OT: Worms make Dirt [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: location of fans (topic, what topic?) [trace@frumail.org (Trace)] Re: Oh, for the love of crap [Ellen ] Re: Oh, for the love of crap [Jacey7@aol.com] Re: hockey, clearendon, and bdays :) [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.qu] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:34:06 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: unsub I'll see you guys some other time. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 04:18:05 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Etymology (was: the war on gayness) Yep. But you forgot the accompanying commentary. Do you know that bit? ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:26:41 GMT From: Tim Cain Subject: Re: Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town >Does anyone have any suggestions >for other Must See groups? The best act I saw in Chicago was Too Cynical to Cry. Trio, two guys playing acoustic guitar and bass, and a female singer who was belting! And like Fruvous, these people were having FUN on stage. Good stuff. >>*Run*, don't walk, to see the CANDY BUTCHERS; *the* best-unsigned-band-in-the-cosmos (or at least, the most-deserving of a major-label contract after several years of 200% energy...) << Mike, you may already know this, but they said they've got a CD coming out on Columbia in August ... They ARE great. For anybody who might understand this reference, they're like Graham Parker with a terrific pop edge. At least that's what I heard. And that was before I got all muddy ... - --tc ~MikeWood tcain1@webmart.net "There is no doubt in my mind that you will someday be found beaten in an alley. But until then, keep up the good work." -- Guy Limbeck, addressing me, May 7, 1999 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 04:22:05 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: boulder show review - the non-violent approach *ladywench innocently watches the rising* ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:48:42 -0400 From: "Neilbert" Subject: Re: Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town Tim Cain wrote in message news:l03130303b38cd60cfbaa@[208.235.42.136]... > >Does anyone have any suggestions > >for other Must See groups? > > The best act I saw in Chicago was Too Cynical to Cry. Trio, two guys > playing acoustic guitar and bass, and a female singer who was belting! And > like Fruvous, these people were having FUN on stage. Good stuff. > > >>*Run*, don't walk, to see the CANDY BUTCHERS; *the* > best-unsigned-band-in-the-cosmos (or at least, the most-deserving of a > major-label contract after several years of 200% energy...) << > > Mike, you may already know this, but they said they've got a CD coming out > on Columbia in August ... They ARE great. For anybody who might understand > this reference, they're like Graham Parker with a terrific pop edge. At > least that's what I heard. And that was before I got all muddy ... Yay!!!! For those not in the know, their lead singer Mike Viola wrote and was involved with the main theme to that Tom Hanks movie about the band "the Wonders." Can't remember if he sang it but is *sure* sounds like him. - -- - -neil neilliam@hotmail.com www.neilbert.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 04:36:12 GMT From: Josh Woodward Subject: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! I don't have a setlist assembled from tonight's show, but let me just say that it's the best I've ever seen the boys play. (that's saying a lot!) Some quick notes: They opened for themselves. ;-) Dave played something I didn't know (a cover), Mike played a Bowie tune, Jian played I Will Hold On, and Murray played Pork Tenderloin. It was great! Some of the highlights -- they opened with a reworked version of Splatter^2, with an acoustic run through the electric amp and the accordion playing the old piano part. A whole slew of songs from the new batch were played. Mike and Jian left the stage, and Murray and Dave continued with ... BITTERSWEET! It sounded great. Then they left and Mike and Jian played Homeward Bound. There was an Organ Grinder in there, and they closed the set with... WALKING SPANISH by Tom Waits! Wow! E1 was Michigan Militia and E2 was Gulf War Song. I'll post the full setlist when I sit down with a pen and the tape. Hi to everyone who was there, and I'll see you tommorow! Time for sleep now! Whee! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:22:55 -0400 From: Lawrence P Solomon Subject: Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! Josh Woodward wrote: [a lot of cool stuff about a show I missed] that's absolutely the last time I rationalize not going to a show because "it's too far away and I have no place to stay." still looking forward to Baltimore, where of course, I won't get to hear Bittersweet, Homeward Bound, or the Gulf War Song.... (unless certain people read this and feel *really* sympathetic :) - -- Lawrence Solomon http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~lps/ zaph@tmbg.org "Just because you're floating doesn't mean * This space inadvertently you haven't drowned." -They Might Be Giants * left with stuff in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:00:52 EDT From: Leah Subject: Re: The war on those cat freaks On 15 Jun 1999, FruWench wrote: > Chad pipes up with an intelligen question: > > >> Are any of you jumping on his case homosexuals who > >> were offended? > > > >Why should only homosexuals be offended? > > > > Didn't say ONLY homosexuals should be offended, but if NO homosexuals were > offended it kinda takes the winds outta the sails, don't it? > OK, so I'll bite, since I was the one who brought it up in the first place... Yes, I am a homosexual. (although personally I hate that word. It sounds so clinical...) I had planned to say nothing more on this topic because I think that I tend to get a bit emotional when this subject comes up. If anyone was offended by my posts, I apologize. It was never my intention to offend only to question. All I ask is that in the future we all think about what we are writing and it's potential effect on others before we send it off. I will do my best to do this as well... Leah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 05:52:08 GMT From: "Andrew Newman" Subject: Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! Let me be the second to add (Joe, I thought you said you were posting??) that this was indeed an excellent, excellent show. I'm very much looking forward to Act 2 tonight... see everyone there.... and hi to all I finally met in person. Andrew Josh aptly summarized: >I don't have a setlist assembled from tonight's show, but let me just >say that it's the best I've ever seen the boys play. (that's saying >a lot!) Some quick notes: > >They opened for themselves. ;-) Dave played something I didn't know (a >cover), Mike played a Bowie tune, Jian played I Will Hold On, and >Murray played Pork Tenderloin. It was great! > >Some of the highlights -- they opened with a reworked version of >Splatter^2, with an acoustic run through the electric amp and the >accordion playing the old piano part. A whole slew of songs from the >new batch were played. > >Mike and Jian left the stage, and Murray and Dave continued with ... >BITTERSWEET! It sounded great. Then they left and Mike and Jian played >Homeward Bound. There was an Organ Grinder in there, and they closed >the set with... WALKING SPANISH by Tom Waits! Wow! > >E1 was Michigan Militia and E2 was Gulf War Song. I'll post the full >setlist when I sit down with a pen and the tape. Hi to everyone who >was there, and I'll see you tommorow! Time for sleep now! Whee! > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com >Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 04:03:11 -0400 From: "Meghan Grammer" Subject: Re: Friendship Festival, 7/3/99 >So, I'm thinking about Ft. Erie and thought I'd start the >toll(just because >I'm bored and need something to do!) >>Who's going? >>When are you thinking you'll be arriving? >>What are you bringing? >>Would anyone who's staying the weekend or lives local be >>interested in going >>to [Six Flags]Darien Lake Theme Park for the 4th of July? >Well I will definitely be going to the friendship festival...and I would >totally go to Darien Lake also...I love that place especially the new >coaster Superman...I hope that you are all roller coaster riders. >Let me know more... >**Jiel** I'm from Buffalo, so I will DEFINITELY be going to the friendship festival, and if there's a group going to Darien lake i would just LOVE to be in on the fun. And I love roller coasters! since I live in buffalo i will probably be driving to the friendship festival the morning/afternoon of july 3rd. if people are meeting anywhere specific i'd like to join 'em. smoochies, meghan - -------- "Life . . . is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that no one ever asks for. Unreturnable because all you get back is another box of chocolates. So, you're stuck with mostly undefinable whipped mint crap, mindlessly wolfed down when there's nothing else to eat while you're watching the game. Sure, once in a while you get a peanut butter cup or an English toffee but it's gone too fast and the taste is fleeting. In the end, you're left with nothing but broken bits filled with hardened jelly and teeth shattering nuts, which if you are desperate enough to eat leaves nothing but an empty box of useless brown paper wrappers." - -Cancerman, "Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man" - -------- ICQ# 17903747 http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/4448 gramcracker@geocities.com - -------- ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 12:08:17 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Suggestions for Alternative Fleadh Festival Acts in NYC/B-Town Is it possible that the Candy Butchers' appearance at Fleadh means, indeed, a CD coming out or at very least a re-release of the CD that I can't find? Jordan (TMBGirl) included one of their songs on a mixtape she made for me ("California Girl") and it is awesome. I've been trying to find more of their stuff ever since with no luck at all ... QL ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 12:17:18 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! That whole post was a joke, right Josh? You just came up with every song you knew we all were dying to hear but hadn't in ages (or in my case forever), and claimed that's what they played, cleverly, to distract us from the other crap that's tumbling down all around us on the NG, such as flames being thrown, accusations being hurled and NGs being left by long-time and much-beloved members ... maybe, you muse, this will start up a new thread along the lines of "what five songs haven't I heard that I'd like to hear in this summer's tour?" or "what new songs will be on Thornhill"? Yeah, I know these threads have already been threaded, but you know what? So have some of the other eaten-to-death ones currently making the rounds (as Jordan will attest). Me, I'd rather moan about not having EVER heard "Authors," "Tureen", "Bittersweet" or this much-discussed "Pork Tenderloin," and add that "If Only You Knew" BETTER be on this new CD because I haven't heard it yet. Queen "Can't We All Just Get Along" Lisa -- ok, maybe that should be King Lisa then. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:50:27 -0700 From: cookie Subject: Re: Oh, for the love of crap CheesemonkeyGem wrote: > > If something annoys me or > someone says something to upset me or if they believe > in something I'm staunchly against, i WILL get pissed > off and i usually wont open my ears and mind to what > they have to say, and i dont necessarily see this as a > bad thing! For me, there is such a thing as being TOO > open-minded, but i get the impression most of you do > not feel the same way. Interesting thought. So, you're saying is there's a difference between obstinacy and integrity, and a difference between being broad-minded and being noncommittal. (Also, isn't rejecting opinions contrary to your own a form of close-mindedness?) Wow! It's actually rather intriguing to try to define those boundaries. Thanks! My brain is officially jump-started for the day! :-) > Howvever, i agree with whoever said that > they would rather have chad tell them about their > incessant babbling rather than just be "KILLKENNY'D" > or whatever (btw chad, im glad i'm not one of those > people on your SCHMILLFILE list but i dont doubt i > will be after this!) Again....You go, girl! I personally find contradictory comments rather interesting. After all, the "preaching to the choir" mentality that seems to permeate this newsgroup more and more is starting to get a little bit tired. Conversely, I have to admit that it seems Patrick was definitely a tad out of line once he started slamming fans at the concert who are also on this ng. However, I don't think he initially made the connection that the people at the show might also be the people on the ng--after all, the Internet is pretty darn anonymous and expansive, and it sounds like the show was rather intimate. I'm just considering this an interesting lesson in the wonders of technology. Ain't it pretty cool that it's possible to attend a concert, and later that evening, find out that some stranger noticed you there and decided to write about you to a bunch of other strangers? The world is just gettin' smaller and smaller, ain't it? Anyhoo, Cookie ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 14:58:08 GMT From: jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure) Subject: Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! BBWMinors (bbwminors@aol.com) wrote: : and add that : "If Only You Knew" BETTER be on this new CD because I haven't heard it yet. Well some good news for you then - the band has already confirmed it will be on the new album. Not only that, but at the Milwaukee show, Jian confessed that it was his favourite of the new tunes (and he seemed serious too). j! - -- It has recently been discovered that research causes cancer in labratory rats. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 15:04:14 GMT From: skystar117@aol.comPHAEDRUS (Debb) Subject: Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor/JoshWoodward:My New Best Friend;) In a message dated 99-06-16 01:04:06 EDT, JOSH wrote: << I don't have a setlist assembled from tonight's show, but let me just say that it's the best I've ever seen the boys play. (that's saying a lot!) Some quick notes:..... They opened for themselves. ;-)..... Murray and Dave continued with ... BITTERSWEET! It sounded great. Then they left and Mike and Jian played Homeward Bound. There was an Organ Grinder in there, and they closed the set with... WALKING SPANISH by Tom Waits! Wow!>> josh, josh, josh.....i know we've never like actually, um, *met*, or anything nutty like that, but if you, or anyone you know happens to have a copy of that show, I will, i dont know, not give you money, or anything b/c that's wrong, but i would so totally make it worth your while to hook me up with a copy.... so please! oh please~! a trade perhaps? i'll make you cookies for a year! um, and other such niceness to be negotiated later........... *I'm sending all my love to you* - -debs "All music is folk music. I ain't never heard no horse sing a song." -Louis Armstrong "Let the moonlight take the lid off your dreams"-BF5 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 15:10:22 GMT From: Josh Woodward Subject: Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! BBWMinors wrote: : That whole post was a joke, right Josh? You just came up with every song you : knew we all were dying to hear but hadn't in ages (or in my case forever), and : claimed that's what they played, cleverly, to distract us from the other crap : that's tumbling down all around us on the NG, such as flames being thrown, : accusations being hurled and NGs being left by long-time and much-beloved : members ... I'm still wondering if it was a dream as well. ;-) And if it has the effect of stopping the petty bickering, then all the better! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@fruhead.com Web Site and Tape List: http://www.fruhead.com/joshw/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:48:27 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: OT: Worms make Dirt On 15 Jun 1999 20:24:22 GMT, Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote: >Well, were it is, straight from the horse's (Worm's?) mouth: > The recording of our latest opus continues and the >release will likely be early August. To be honest, we're having too much >fun recording so it's taking longer than expected. > Thanks for the update Veronica! After having heard a bunch of the songs likely to be on Dirt, I can understand why they're having fun. I just wish I didn't have to wait for Thornhill AND Dirt. Is it August yet? - -- Trace trace@frumail.org AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:56:09 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: 6/16/99 Ann Arbor Quickie! On 16 Jun 1999 04:36:12 GMT, Josh Woodward wrote: >Murray played Pork Tenderloin. It was great! Omigosh! I thought they'd let this one die! I'm so happy it is back and being played now and then. I wanna hear it again! I *still* think this would be a silly, fun, and otherwise awesome bonus track. >BITTERSWEET! It sounded great. Then they left and Mike and Jian played >Homeward Bound. There was an Organ Grinder in there, and they closed >the set with... WALKING SPANISH by Tom Waits! Wow! Swooooon. Ouch. This just hurts. - -- Trace trace@frumail.org AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:33:50 GMT From: trace@frumail.org (Trace) Subject: Re: location of fans (topic, what topic?) On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:04:28 -0400, chad schrock wrote: > >Trace wrote: >> Previously, a few degenerate sandwich components wrote: > >organic or inorganic? I don't know about you chad, but I'm definitely...um...organic :) >> Thank you sweetie. You're trying to get on my good side >> aren't you? > >Sure! I don't know why yet, but I'll think of something >eventually. :) > Well, let me know when you figure it out! >> Yay! I'm not in chad's Bozo Bin! > >nor is Jacey. > >You know, thinking about it some more, I like the term "Bozo >Bin" better than "killfile." It just sounds so much more >apropo. So do I. It's less violent. I wouldn't want to do any killfiling, but Bozo Binning? That's ok. Signal to noise ratio? That implies there's some signal here :) - -- Trace trace@frumail.org AMM-F: You must be this insane to ride ----- - -Veronica J Gruneberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:00:20 GMT From: Ellen Subject: Re: Oh, for the love of crap In article <19990615061921.12511.rocketmail@web130.yahoomail.com>, CheesemonkeyGem wrote: > sitting in English class > dissecting every line of Shakespeare and analysing the > characters and totally ruining the whole book and its > effect on me personally. knowing things like the author's perspective or who a character was modeled after ruins a work for you? wow. that's interesting. (help me somebody-- who was it that said, "the unexamined life is not worth living." ? i can't remember.) > cant fathom why anyone would give a horses ass if the > rhyming of a lyric feels thrown in or if the phrasing > isnt correct or what have you. To me thats not > criticism as much as just plain THINKING too much. sorry. i like word play and i like thinking. one woman's "wow, that's weird the way they said that; i wonder why they worded it that way," is another woman's "hey, i like this song." what makes you think that i can't enjoy the song just as much as you do? by the way, in case you don't recognize it, what you just said is, to someone here, probably every bit as insensitive as the things patrick has said (i have never heard "you're THINKING too much," used as anything but a jab, and the overall tone there is pretty condescending). i'm not personally offended, because it takes a lot to offend me, ;) but hey. just be aware of the things you say. > If something annoys me or > someone says something to upset me or if they believe > in something I'm staunchly against, i WILL get pissed > off and i usually wont open my ears and mind to what > they have to say, and i dont necessarily see this as a > bad thing! For me, there is such a thing as being TOO > open-minded, but i get the impression most of you do > not feel the same way. i'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but i think what you mean is that you'll hold fast to your belief if someone tries to tell you something different that pisses you off. there's nothing wrong with that. there is danger, however, in "closing your ears and mind" to what someone says just because it pisses you off. growing up, i often found that when someone said something *about me* that pissed me off, they were right. it pissed me off because it was a truth i didn't want to face. just an example. there really *is* no such thing as being too open-minded, IMO, as long as you have your own solidly grounded beliefs and don't change them without a lot of thought. oops there's that "thought" thing again. > What ive noticed is that some ng people try to read > between the lines of everything and analyze every > little line and take offense to stuff or take stuff > personally that was not intended as such, and thats > how stuff gets blown up. And, i may add, it is THAT > that makes many of you seem actually CLOSED-minded in > a way, in my opinion. people do not get offended because they sat and analyzed something for days and decided it really burned them up. offense is generally taken immediately; it's a knee-jerk reaction. if it's going to hurt, it's going to hurt right away. when a bunch of people in a semi-civilized group such as this seem to jump on someone, there are usually two things at work: (1) assuming, as i said, that it's a fairly civilized group, they mostly just want to help the person in question understand why what they said was hurtful-- this has been the case, i believe, with both jordan's and mocksie's perceived homophobic comments, and neither of them could seem to see it that way, and (2) there are thousands of people who read this group, and all of them receive the posts in a different order. so when there appears to be a "dogpile-on-joe-schmoe" it's because 15 people fired off a response as soon as they saw the offending comment, and those trickled in over the course of a few days, and 15 more people fired off a response later that morning because they haven't yet gotten the first 15 responses, etc etc. > i agree with whoever said that > they would rather have chad tell them about their > incessant babbling rather than just be "KILLKENNY'D" > or whatever when someone's been killfiled, it's usually because there was an actual rift between the killer and the killee. you have to be in serious denial (or just inexplicably rub someone the wrong way, which you can't help and shouldn't worry about) not to know that you've irritated someone enough for them to killfile you. and, as you've seen, the people who want to be EXTRA showy about it will *plonk* [1] you for all the world to see. IME, it does no one any good to make displays like this, or to tell them, "your incessant babbling bugs the shit out of me; could you shut up please?" even if you say it in nice words. killfiles are, IMO, a diplomatic and peaceable way for people who don't like each other to co- exist. if you can't get along with someone no matter what the topic is, better just to keep out of each other's way. there's a way to do this on IRC, too, for those who don't know. the command is /ignore. my goodness, i do go on. peace, ellen [1] allegedly the sound you make when dropped into a killfile; sounds like a stone being dropped into a deep well, if that helps any. *************************************************** We're only at home when we're on the wing... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:24:20 GMT From: Jacey7@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh, for the love of crap >>help me somebody-- who was it that said, "the unexamined life is not worth living." ? i can't remember.)<< Socrates. ~jen ;-) - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Nobody likes you when you're 23." --Blink 182 "Do you know that you are very strong?"-- Grover "Measure your life in love."-- Rent Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jun 1999 16:26:06 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: hockey, clearendon, and bdays :) jen, you realize that your don't actually have to drive in order to get your G1 license, right? Just a multiple choice, written test. Now, I did a test to get a 365 (wow... I'm old) and mine was *stupidly* easy. And the people who got a bunch wrong... the examiner told them "this one, this one, tis one... all wrong. Go back and fix it". Trust me. If you can memorize the Ministry handbook, you will pass. :) Veronica (who survived MTO driving tests with people nicknamed "The Dragon Lady" and "Sergeant Major". Both notorious for not passing anyone. Except me, apparently. ) - -- *************************************************************************** "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology - Richard Strauss | Queen's University | Kingston, Ontario | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #500 ********************************************