From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #496 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, June 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 496 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the war on gayness [SkyStar117@aol.com] Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) [tsalyers@dimensional.com (To] petty bickering [Caitlin ] Re: the war on gayness [tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers)] Re: It's not just for breakfast anymore... [Leah Bender ] Re: the war on patrick [luckydabed@aol.com.la.deda (Maria)] the answer to the mystery of eleanor rigby [SkyStar117@aol.com] Re: You've inspired a post from me, congratulations :) [Kevin Way ] Re: the war on gayness [Leah ] TACT--->A WORKING DEFINITION (was Re: boulder show review) (fwd) [Lynne <] Criticism: Lyric tags [Lynne ] canadian bootleg club [nslife ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:15:44 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: Re: the war on gayness In a message dated 99-06-14 23:33:35 EDT, you write: << Let's take a term that our frulads tend to use often. "fuck." I believe, and someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that "fuck" referred to sexual intercourse originally. "fucking" would be individuals taking part in the actual activity. "fucker" would be one of the individuals, etc. >> FUCK...ok. F.U.C.K.- *F*or *U*nder *C*arnal *K*nowledge. like sex or something. dates back to Puritain MassBay colony culture......maybe further. anyway. yeah. kinda like scarlet letter. - -debs/sneaking back into the history nerd closet and resumes reading text books by flashlight. FOR FUN. yes fun. i like learning things. y'all know what they say about not knowing knowledge...(<----- obligatory frucontent) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:11:05 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) In article , lb8226@cnsvax.albany.edu (Leah) says... > I really truly believe that knowing which album a song is on is not a > prerequisite to posting an opinion in this ng. That's not what she said at all. She said it wouldn't hurt, not that it was some kind of iron-clad requirement. - -- Tom Thinking that we could all stand to drink heavily right about now... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:23:59 -0700 From: Caitlin Subject: petty bickering On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Vika Zafrin wrote: > Argh. Stoppitstoppitstoppit. Everything that Vika said. Plus this: is it really that slow a week in fruville? Is it time to start yet another silly discussion? I think yes... So assuming we all know what band you've seen the *most* frequently... what band have you seen the second most number of times in the last year? (warned you it was pointless. But since we've apparently all been struck by the need to post, post, and post again... let's at least play nice!) ____ \ /__ Caitlin Xantha Hazen \/ / caitlin@wayward-volvo.org \/ http://www.wayward-volvo.org/xanthe/ "Sweetness and lighter fluid..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:18:46 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: the war on gayness In article <19990614.211425.3566.5.TMBgirl@juno.com>, tmbgirl@juno.com (tmbgirl@juno.com) says... > Let's take a term that our frulads tend to use often. "fuck." I > believe, and someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that > "fuck" referred to sexual intercourse originally. Okay, I'm going to cement my reputation as a geek here.... Main Entry: fuck Pronunciation: 'f&k Function: verb Etymology: akin to Dutch fokken to breed (cattle), Swedish dialect fokka to copulate Date: 1503 intransitive senses 1 usually obscene : COPULATE -- sometimes used in the present participle as a meaningless intensive 2 usually vulgar : MESS 3 -- used with with transitive senses 1 usually obscene : to engage in coitus with -- sometimes used interjectionally with an object (as a personal or reflexive pronoun) to express anger, contempt, or disgust 2 usually vulgar : to deal with unfairly or harshly : CHEAT, SCREW - -- Tom Salyers "Now is the Windows of our disk contents IRCnick: Aqualung Made glorious SimEarth by this Sun of Zork." Denver, CO --from _Richard v3.0_ http://www.dimensional.com/~tsalyers/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:04:07 GMT From: Leah Bender Subject: Re: It's not just for breakfast anymore... :::cracks up::: should I start about the hemmorhoid cream/toothpaste, or..... - -Bender (Whee!) >From: "Michael G. Maki" >To: ammf@fruvous.com >Subject: It's not just for breakfast anymore... >Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 20:48:47 -0500 > >Just for the record, AdamH once ate a piece of Meow Mix thinking it was an >errant Lucky Charm. > >mm > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:59:45 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) In article , tsalyers@dimensional.com says... > Thinking that we could all stand to drink heavily right about now... But whatever we do, we must not link arms and sway. Because that would only be stupid. k@ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:59:34 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: OT: Uncle Bonsai KatieWow wrote: > > uncle bonsai? did you say UNCLE BONSAI?!? > you're awesome. i thought that rodney and i were teh only two people in the > world who knew them :). > ~~kate Nope, there's Lisa and I and my mom. :) A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 04:45:25 GMT From: luckydabed@aol.com.la.deda (Maria) Subject: Re: the war on patrick Leah wrote: >people think it >means something like idiot or jerk is exactly the problem. Yes, you may >mean it in this way, but it carries other meanings immbedded in it. I guess I never realized it. I never use the term "pansy", but just the same I was wrong about assuming it wouldn't offend people. > It is >part of a culture which is very unfriendly towards gays, lesbians, and in >general anyone who doesn't quite fit. When on child says another is gay, >he/she may mean that the other person is stupid, but what does this say to >the kid about gays? That they are stupid. There's something wrong with >that. While intension is one thing, effect >is another. Yes, I understand that. I wasn't trying to say that insulting somebody by calling them gay was alright and not offensive. I get very testy when people say, "Oh, that is SO gay". I was merely pointing out I never knew that calling someone "pansy" was used as an insult to gays. I can't help misinterpreting things. maria ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ You are now officially Lucky Dabbed! Consider yourself special! "Ooooh, luckydab?!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:51:16 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: the answer to the mystery of eleanor rigby In a message dated 99-06-15 00:03:17 EDT, vika wonders: << And I always *have* wondered who the hell Eleanor Rigby was.>> ok so i'm reading this bio of the beatles and according to Paul (as told to Hunter Davies in his book The Beatles): " I was sitting at the piano when I thought of it. Just like Jimmy Durante. The first bars just came to me. And I got this name in my head: Daisy Hawkins, picks up the rice in the church where a wedding has been. I don't know why. I can hear a whole song in one chord. In fact,I think you can hear a whole song in one note, if you listen hard enough. But no one ever listens hard enough. OK, so that's the Joan of Arc bit. i couldn't think of much more, so I put it away for a day. Then the name Father McCartney came to me- and all the lonely people. But I thought people would think it was supposed to be my Dad, sitting knitting his socks. Dad's a happy lad. So I went through the telephone book and I got the name McKenzie. I was in Bristol when I decided Daisy Hawkins wasn't a good name. I walked round looking at the shops and I saw the name Rigby. You got that? Quick pan to Bristol. I can just see this all as a Hollywood musical......Then I took it down to John's house in Weybridge. We sat around, laughing, got stoned and finished it off. I thought of the backing, but it was George Martin who finished it off. I just go bash, bash on the piano. He knows what I mean. All our songs come out of our imagination. There never was an Eleanor Rigby." jeez that took forever to transcribe. that answer the big question? i hope so:) - -deb/who wishes her dad was also a happy lad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:56:58 -0400 From: Kevin Way Subject: Re: You've inspired a post from me, congratulations :) > Whoa. How's that for anti-Commie propaganda being burned into > people's brains. > > No, Laika did not starve to death. Yes, she did burn up on re-entry. > Yes, it is true that the shuttle was not equipped for landing. Yes, > there was *much* controversy about this in the Soviet Union, and they > made a conscious decision to send a *stray* dog into space, figuring > that if they didn't, she would probably be one of, literally, > thousands of strays who died on the streets of Russia. Many of the > strays were cared for, but their lot wasn't much better than that of > the dogs that end up in pounds in the States. > > It was interesting reading this post on a largely-US-and- > Canada-based newsgroup, where much animal experimentation goes on For > The Good Of Humanity. Double standard? Yes, but what scares me more > is that it's probably *still*, years after the Cold War ended, largely > subconscious, so ingrained is it in so many people's brains. My mistake. I apologize for the inaccuracy of my original statement, it was certainly not meant as anti-russian propoganda. And you see, this is a perfect demonstration of why you should never take anything you read on the internet as fact. My apologies, and thank you for explaining the full story Vika. Kevin "needs to do more research before posting" Way ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:34:57 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: Etymology (was: the war on gayness) In article <1ce1c74e.24972ba8@aol.com>, SkyStar117@aol.com (SkyStar117@aol.com) says... > F.U.C.K.- *F*or *U*nder *C*arnal *K*nowledge. > like sex or something. > dates back to Puritain MassBay colony culture......maybe further. anyway. > yeah. kinda like scarlet letter. No, no, no. This is an etymological urban legend. =) To further reveal me as an utter geek, this from http://www.wilton.net/wordorf.htm: Fuck Popular etymologies agree, unfortunately incorrectly, that this is an acronym meaning either Fornication Under Consent of the King or For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. The latter usually accompanying a story about how medieval prisoners were forced to wear this word on their clothing. Deriving the etymology of this word is difficult, as it has been under a taboo for most of its existence and citations are rare. The earliest known use, according to AHD3 and HDAS, predates 1500 and is from a poem written in a mix of Latin and English and entitled 'Flen flyys.' The relevant line reads: "Non sunt in celi quia fuccant uuiuys of heli." Translated: "They [the monks] are not in heaven because they fuck the wives of Ely [a town near Cambridge]." Fuccant is a pseudo-Latin word and in the original it is written in cipher to further disguise it. AYTO mentions the word's use in 1278 as a personal name, John le Fucker, but fails to provide a citation. The earliest usage cite in the OED2 dates from 1503 and is in the form 'fukkit.' The earliest cite of the current spelling is from 1535. The word was not in common (published) use prior to the 1960s. Shakespeare did not use it, although he did hint at it for comic effect. In Merry Wives of Windsor (IV.i) he gives us the pun "focative case." In Henry V (IV.iv), the character Pistol threatens to "firk" a French soldier, a word meaning "to strike," but commonly used as an Elizabethan euphemism for fuck. In the same play (III.iv), Princess Katherine confuses the English words "foot" and "gown" for the French "foutre" and "coun" (fuck and cunt, respectively) with comic results. Other poets did use the word, although it was far from common. Robert Burns, for example, used it in an unpublished manuscript. The taboo was so strong that for 170 years, from 1795 to 1965, fuck did not appear in a single dictionary of the English language. In 1948, the publishers of The Naked and the Dead persuaded Norman Mailer to use the euphemism "fug" instead, resulting in Dorothy Parker's comment upon meeting Mailer: "So you're the man who can't spell fuck." The root is undoubtedly Germanic, as it has cognates in other Northern European languages: Middle Dutch fokken meaning to thrust, to copulate with; dialectical Norwegian fukka meaning to copulate; and dialectical Swedish focka meaning to strike, push, copulate, and fock meaning penis. Both French and Italian have similar words, foutre and fottere respectively. These derive from the Latin futuere. While these cognates exist, they are probably not the source of fuck, rather they probably come from a common root. Most of the early known usages of the English word come from Scotland, leading some scholars to believe that the word comes from Scandinavian sources. Others disagree, believing that the number or northern cites reflects that the taboo was weaker in Scotland and the north, resulting in more surviving usages. The fact that there are citations, albeit fewer of them, from southern England dating from the same period seems to bear out this latter theory. For more information on fuck and its usages, see The F Word, by Jesse Sheidlower, Random House, 1995, ISBN 0-679-76427-5. This is perhaps the most complete treatment of the word available. - -- Tom Salyers "Now is the Windows of our disk contents IRCnick: Aqualung Made glorious SimEarth by this Sun of Zork." Denver, CO --from _Richard v3.0_ http://www.dimensional.com/~tsalyers/ ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 1999 05:15:59 GMT From: luckydabed@aol.com.la.deda (Maria) Subject: Re: Etymology (was: the war on gayness) Wow maria ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^ You are now officially Lucky Dabbed! Consider yourself special! "Ooooh, luckydab?!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:05:45 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: Calling down the Thunder (this is LONG) In article , katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) says... > But whatever we do, we must not link arms and sway. Because that would > only be stupid. "Eleven milkmen is just barely on the edge of plausibility. Twelve would be silly." Ten points to whoever can name the movie that's paraphrased from. - -- Tom Salyers "Now is the Windows of our disk contents IRCnick: Aqualung Made glorious SimEarth by this Sun of Zork." Denver, CO --from _Richard v3.0_ http://www.dimensional.com/~tsalyers/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:12:34 GMT From: "A.T. Schrader" Subject: Fruvous Literary Magazine Update - Attention all folks creative! wow! can it be? we're acutally going to get this project up and rolling??? *cool!* so this is me (amy) on behalf of the lit mag crew asking anyone who is in any way, shape, or form creative to submit their work to us for the Fruvous Lit Mag. Please please please keep in mind that this does not mean the material submitted has to have Fruvous reference or content...actually, the opposite would be just a wonderful because i know you people are a creative bunch and it would be great to see another side of this creativity. **All work submitted must be sent to the following address - adifru@hotmail.com anything that is sent as just a reply to this message will not be considered** Of course however, since it is a *fruvous* lit mag...here are some really great ideas that the crew has come up with...PLEASE feel free to submit stuff for the following: ~concert stories: have a great pre/during/post show event that happened to you? story about meeting the guys? fru-tripping story? here's you chance to write down your memories and share em with others... ~an "other bands" column where fruhead/fans can write reviews of other bands that they think others would like....always a very popular topic round here ^_^ ~a review of books from the "My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors" authors, or other fruvous-related books...another favorite in this place ^_^ ~fruvous filks...i for one think those are great! ~and of course and other fruvous or non-fruvous related stories, poems, plays, hikus, *anything*... All material must be submitted NO LATER than July 15th (however, if we start to get swamped with material, i may shorten the deadline - who knows, this could become an annual thing). ok, that's it for now. let the party begin! Amy - who is beyond excited about this project ^_^ === "The masses wanted to look non-conformist, so that meant the non-conformity had to be mass manufactured." ~Andy Warhol "Wouldn't it be great if the band just never ended" ~Great Big Sea _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:50:09 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Sorry, KatieWow Yet another personal message... Katie - I tried mailing both of those addresses you sent me, and both messages bounced back. When do you plan to be on IRC next? Maybe we can discuss things there. k@ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 05:40:33 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: You've inspired a post from me, congratulations :) Kevin Way wrote: > > Because Laika is a song about the dog, Laika, that the Russians sent up > > into space and surprise, surprise, left her there. So the last point made > > was that the band was playing hail to the chief, that the nation was so > > happy about this, but really all they'd done was find a really expensive > > and exotic way to starve a dog to death. Um, I think you have that a bit wrong there Kevin. Hail to the Chief is the anthem of the US PRESIDENT. There is no way that that is a Soviet band playing that. It is not about Laika at all. The allusions at work there are about the American space program with which we (of my generation at least) were all so tied up with as kids. The singer of the song on the one hand lives life in a fantasy world where he is a space hero (The band plays Hail to the Chief because the President is coming to honor him) but at the same time he can't get the girl to to notice him. He feels abandoned like Laika was. It is not about anything to do with the Soviet space program versus the American one. It is about what goes on in this one boys head. Then Vika Zafrin wrote: > Whoa. How's that for anti-Commie propaganda being burned into > people's brains. Hrm... I wouldn't think that is anti-Commie propaganda there Veek, looks more like simple lack of knowledge on Kevin's part to me. I don't believe anyone over here ever really tried to make a big deal about the Soviet space program being cruel to its animals. In those days nobody cared about stuff like that anyway. Our space program involved shooting animals into space with no way to get down too. There was nothing all that unusual about what the Soviets did with Laika. They just did it first, which was indeed a triumph. > It was interesting reading this post on a largely-US-and- > Canada-based newsgroup, where much animal experimentation goes on For > The Good Of Humanity. Double standard? Yes, but what scares me more > is that it's probably *still*, years after the Cold War ended, largely > subconscious, so ingrained is it in so many people's brains. I don't know about that. There is some cold war baggage ingrained in all our heads, to be sure, but I don't think that is at work here so much (except for Kevin's "surprise, surprise" quip maybe). Rather I think that people are now much more aware of how nasty animal research is, and are accordingly less comfortable with it. A.J. - -- Mariaweb last updated 5/13/99. See Maria Louise in all her... erm... Glory? Visit MariaWeb at http://members.aol.com/marilou99/ _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:25:02 GMT From: CheesemonkeyGem Subject: Oh, for the love of crap Veronica pointed out: >It just means I kick back and enjoy, rather than >trying to over analyze all the time. THANK YOU veronica, im glad someone finally mentioned this. Im sorry, but what the hell is the deal with analyzing lyrics to death and nitpicking over every little bit? (im talking mostly of/to Patrick but also some other ng people). To me, either you like the song or not. who the hell gives a shit about tags or PREPOSITIONAL PHRASES or whether you "get" the meanings or significance of the song or not. Fruvous isnt Shakespeare for gods sake. And that is what all this crap is reminding me of: sitting in English class dissecting every line of Shakespeare and analysing the characters and totally ruining the whole book and its effect on me personally. I mean, i realise this ng is for (among other things) discussing the band and possibly sharing constructive criticism and comments of the band/lyrics/shows/lamps/cheese/whatever, but i cant fathom why anyone would give a horses ass if the rhyming of a lyric feels thrown in or if the phrasing isnt correct or what have you. To me thats not criticism as much as just plain THINKING too much. Thats not to say I dont appreciate Fruvous lyrically, or dont enjoy thinking and analyzing certain things in certain ways, but like i said, its reminiscent of boring English classes where we have to grasp the SIGNIFICANCE of everything rather than just enjoying the content. People have said things like "if so-and-so feels this way about what-not, then so be it..." But to me, i just cant understand why some people need to THINK so much about a certain thing. If something annoys me or someone says something to upset me or if they believe in something I'm staunchly against, i WILL get pissed off and i usually wont open my ears and mind to what they have to say, and i dont necessarily see this as a bad thing! For me, there is such a thing as being TOO open-minded, but i get the impression most of you do not feel the same way. What ive noticed is that some ng people try to read between the lines of everything and analyze every little line and take offense to stuff or take stuff personally that was not intended as such, and thats how stuff gets blown up. And, i may add, it is THAT that makes many of you seem actually CLOSED-minded in a way, in my opinion. Example: I am always hesitant to write a curse word or say something seemingly harmless as "oh my god" or state something i would normally say because Im afraid i will offend someone or get someone mad, or what have you. Im not trying to "flame" or personally attack anyone here or get anyone mad, but i know some people are gonna get pissed at this post and at me. Im not playing "lets point out all the bad crap in the ng," im simply letting out a little frustration that has come about with all these "war on patrick" shite. And i do like being a part of this ng or else i wouldnt be on it. I dont even know what i hope to accomplish with this post, and i didnt plan to write any of this when i started. Howvever, i agree with whoever said that they would rather have chad tell them about their incessant babbling rather than just be "KILLKENNY'D" or whatever (btw chad, im glad i'm not one of those people on your SCHMILLFILE list but i dont doubt i will be after this!) - -jen the cheeky monkey === Before you get in a fight with a person, walk 500 hundred miles in his shoes. That way you're 500 hundred miles ahead of him and you've got his shoes. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:14:22 EDT From: Leah Subject: Re: the war on gayness On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 tmbgirl@juno.com wrote: > So when my boyfriend calls me a pansy, i'm not jumping down his > back getting all mad at him because i'm sure he's implying that i'm gay. > i'm positive that that's the last thing he intended. Just like if i > called him a mofo or something, i'm not implying that he's sleeping with > his or anyone else's mother. so if you just don't happen to get outside > and see that these terms have already lost the meanings you claim they > continue to imply, wake up. The past two months my boyfriend has called > me and his best friends "pansies" it's an everyday term to us now. I > never even had a clue that it was originally a gay slur. so perhaps i'm > the one that needs to get outside and see what's up. The fact of the matter is, it IS used as a gay slur. If you had ever been walking down the street with some friends and been heckled by such slurs, you might understand this... Just because it's used doesn't mean it's lost it's original meaning. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:25:06 GMT From: Lynne Subject: TACT--->A WORKING DEFINITION (was Re: boulder show review) (fwd) I don't think anyone could have said it better!!! :) *hug* - -lynne YAY! Deb! deb said: - -deb/trying to cope with being a geeky fan of a novelty band that jokes around too much.......*oh screw that!!!!!!* I LOVE MOXY FRÜVOUS. A LOT. AND I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE ELSE THINKS OR SAYS ABOUT THAT. THEY MAKE ME HAPPY. AND THAT'S ALL I NEED OR WANT. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:41:11 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Criticism: Lyric tags Hmm.. I dunno.. regarding most of pAtricks comments... Fruvous does what they do.. tags no tags orbit a rondel..cuz they are fruvous an they can. Same for you, you post.. cuz you have your opinions and you can. The band actually does take tons of constructive critisizm. maybe they'll take yours. I'm not sure how constructive it is. Oh, and I'm curious if you got to hear "When she talks" cuz I happen to love that song (especially's taryn's version), and I don't believe that is a popular opinion... - -lynne, at camp in CT oh.. and if I think there music is perfect. Does that make it perfect? maybe it is perfect... Patrick typed: I *like* Moxy Fruvous. I really do. However, it's not like their music is perfect. No band is flawless, certainly not my own attempts at songwriting. Sometimes a band has a great sound, great talent at playing instruments, but bad lyrics. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 07:43:36 -0300 From: nslife Subject: canadian bootleg club Hi, I have created a website for Canadian Bootleg traders. Please come for a visit soon...It has lots of bootleg information. Rose http://members.tripod.com/bootlegger/ ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #496 ********************************************