From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #405 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, May 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 405 Today's Subjects: ----------------- House of Blues tape? [Ella Hinton ] Re: This sweet lair... [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: The Polish Piano??? [srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n)] Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion [srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm] Re: The Polish Piano??? [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Re: The Polish Piano??? [srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n)] Re: New to Newsgroup [srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n)] Re: New to Newsgroup [nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder] Indie Tape MP3's? [Geoffrey Long ] Re: Go Sabres... [Ben and Tara Cordes ] Re: Indie Tape MP3's? ["KatieWow" ] Re: air trombone ["Sam Patch" ] Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion ["KatieWow" ] Re: The Polish Piano??? [tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers)] Re: This sweet lair... ["KatieWow" ] Re: Any one from Buffalo? ["Meghan Grammer" ] Re: Old crones unite! (was Re: T-shirts) [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: Old cronies unite! (was Re: T-shirts) [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO] OT:Spirit of...wasRe: Lafayette Square [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO)] Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) [Muck ] Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) [Muck ] Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion [Lynne ] Re: OT:Spirit of...wasRe: Lafayette Square [bnlwildy@aol.com (Bnlwildy)] The Best Music With The Largest Selection 4090 [zdmlwi@listen_to_music.n] Re: OT:Spirit of...wasRe: Lafayette Square ["KatieWow" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:09:10 -0400 From: Ella Hinton Subject: House of Blues tape? Oh, and if anyone out there has a tape from last Monday nite? I need a copy... PLEASE? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:05:49 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: This sweet lair... nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) delighted us with: >BTW, I've heard "Il est chez Morphee" used as a colourful way to say >"He's asleep". Isn't that cool? No? Aw. :( Whaddayamean, no? :) It's very cool. And makes a lot of sense, since the reference is to Morpheus (Morphee in French), the mythical Dream King, subject of Neil Gaiman's _Sandman_ and many other, WAY earlier, myths. I thought that's *why* the song was named that, in reference to dreamland. Non? Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "i'm not a mess. i'm a natural disaster." -norg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:56:38 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion /me, feeling a bit defensive, chimes in a bit. Richard said: >I have >> no problem with off-topicality, God knows I'm responsible for enough of it >> myself. Indeed much that is on topic is of little interest to me anyway (like >> plans to meet up before shows). If it weren't for ammf off-topicality I'd have >> never found out about Ani DiFranco or The Nields or EFO or many other bands. You may have noticed that, when I posted, I (rather subjectively) categorized the off-topic posts into sort-of off-topic (other *music* Fruvous fans like may be interested in seems a good thing to post to me on an alt.music newsgroup) and completely off-topic (you all know which ones those are). I'd just like to be anal and point that out again. And then cookie said: >Isn't that what fruvous.com is for--stating the current info on CDs, >concerts, concert reviews, merchandise, press, etc.? I thought >newsgroups were a way to unite people with a common interest to discuss >the band (and whatever else they care to discuss) in an open, uncensored >forum. I never proposed for this forum to be censored. The suggestion - no more and no less than a suggestion - that I posted stems from my personal, again, very subjective, views as to what is appropriate on an alt.music newsgroup. See below. >I'd like to go on >record strongly disagreeing with any kind of structure or rules >regarding who can post what where. This is the Internet, darn it! Free >speech rules!! Whoa there. Okay. Roll back the film a bit. In no way did I mean to even IMPLY that certain PEOPLE should be restricted from posting on certain forums. All I suggested (and, as horrid an idea as that might've been, I still reserve the right to have suggested it) was that some topics might be more appropriate to post/discuss on an alt.fan newsgroup than on an alt.music newsgroup. For the record: yes, alt.fan.moxy.fruvous is still available. How illegal it is, and whether Jason was trying to get it "annulled," I don't know; but it does exist. As for some people's news servers not carrying it, I've found that most ISPs (including universities) will have no problem adding a newsgroup to the list of the ones they carry if you request it. Please, all, don't take the above as me pushing for a Division Of The Newsgroup. Would I like to see a division of posting topics happen? Yes, still. Do I think I'm being realistic? No, because newsgroups are made what they are by the people who post to them, and most of the people who've posted on this particular topic expressed an aversion to the idea. But I am NOT proposing to censor anyone. - -v Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "i'm not a mess. i'm a natural disaster." -norg ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 1999 23:58:41 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: The Polish Piano??? Katrin, astonished, wrote: >> -- Lori, could be confused, it's been known to happen ... >No, Lori! Not you! it's a fluke occurrence, I admit, but from time to time, (like every ten minutes or so ... ) > >k@ >Can you say "fucker" on here? Well, we just did, and no one's rushing in the door yet to take away my keyboard ... - -- Lori, who would just blame it all on Jian if someone tried any such thing. :) ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 1999 23:37:03 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion Jiel worried: >So hey I'll try, but I don't think anyone should be crucified for >forgetting or not catching on right away. Because change takes time. Hey, no one ever gets crucified around here. Well, except maybe Murray -- but that's all his own doing, if he won't sing the words as written. :) - -- Lori ******************************* Visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:55:17 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: The Polish Piano??? In article <19990512193935.19146.00002205@ng-fw1.aol.com>, srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM says... > Umm, weren't these two different Brents? Brent Miller from Pittsburgh = > tshirts; Brent > McNamee from TO was the "fucker" who shepherded some of us around TO? I > thought? Um, yeah, that's what I thought, and why I asked. > -- Lori, could be confused, it's been known to happen ... No, Lori! Not you! k@ Can you say "fucker" on here? ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 1999 23:39:35 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: The Polish Piano??? Katie wrote: >he and his lovely wife marianne organized and executed the ordering and >distribution of frücon t-shirts these past two years. Umm, weren't these two different Brents? Brent Miller from Pittsburgh = tshirts; Brent McNamee from TO was the "fucker" who shepherded some of us around TO? I thought? - -- Lori, could be confused, it's been known to happen ... ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 1999 23:50:59 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: New to Newsgroup Nicole jumped on the welcome-back-Chad bandwagon: >EeeeeeEEEEeeee! :D CHAD!!!! Promise you'll never leave again. So maybe we oughta change this header to Old to Newsgroup (which is not off-topic, of course)? Or maybe we ought to switch this conversation over to afmf, as it's now being held by a gathering of fans of fans of the band, to discuss those fans? :) - -- Lori, just returned from being hidden in the arms of the Sleep King. Just doesn't sound as nice that way. ******************************* Visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:30:22 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: New to Newsgroup On Wed, 12 May 1999 13:52:51 -0500, someone who looked like Chad Maloney whispered: EeeeeeEEEEeeee! :D CHAD!!!! Promise you'll never leave again. - --nicole the delighted wonder nerd *** "But I found that my heart's opened up my mind and opened up my eyes..."--Eddie From Ohio Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is INCORRECT! Think of it as an intelligence test. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:44:50 GMT From: Geoffrey Long Subject: Indie Tape MP3's? There was a thread kicking around on here a little bit ago about the FruLads' position towards MP3s, which, unless I'm mistaken, kind of leaned towards their saying "it's OK for the live stuff, but don't do it for the stuff that actually gets us fed". Which is groovy, but that brings in the issue of the Indie tape. Since they've said that tape-tree'ing the Indie tape is cool, why doesn't someone take the time and effort to make MP3s of the Indie tape and post them on a site somewhere? (If we wanted to make the FDC people *really* nuts, we could start pressuring them to set up a server section for live/unavailable music, a la the Grateful Dead.) Granted, it's a pain in th' butt to make MP3s off of *tapes*, but it should repay the effort in the sheer gratitude of all the fans (like me) who have yet to experience the joy of Green Eggs and Ham... Just my £.02 -- - -- Geoffrey Long Editor-in-Chief, INKBLOTS Magazine Dreamsbay Media Labs www.dreamsbay.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:13:29 +0000 From: Ben and Tara Cordes Subject: Re: Go Sabres... Ella Hinton wrote: > > Tuesday nite the band voiced their opinion on the Sabres-Bruins series, > and it is something like this: > The Sabres are going to kick ass! I agree. Tonite, 7:30 it's going > down... bosotn 2, sabres 1, late in the first. wahoo! - -tara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:59:10 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Indie Tape MP3's? they actually were on a site that lost its server. a few people have said that they'd be happy to rip it if they got express permission from the band, but the band has yet to give that. ~~kate - -- kate leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org ***************************************************************** evil is just special with a criminal record. - --doug, 3.26.99 everybody loves a happy ending but we don't even try we go straight on past pretending to the part where everyone loves to cry - --elvis costello **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:51:49 -0400 From: "Sam Patch" Subject: Re: air trombone We (fellow trombone players I've performed with) have always said that the trombone is the easiest instrument to tune, as well as the hardest instrument to tune. Because the tuning slide is not part of the general assembly, once it's tuned, it's always tuned. With an instrument such as the bassoon or saxophone, the position of the mouthpiece determines how it is tuned. Every time the instrument is put together, it needs to be tuned. When it's taken apart, it will have to be retuned when reassembled. Also, the pressure one puts on the instrument throughout the session may cause the mouthpiece to move, requiring retuning. A trombone player merely has to tighten a screw and place a mouthpiece in it to begin. However, as mentioned before, it is the hardest to "tune," because every note must be "tuned" as it is played. I'm surprised I've played successfully for so long, considering I have a very poor ear for determining a note that is in tune! There are quite a few combinations to create many notes on the trombone. In addition to the change of positions, alternate positions, and change of embouchure (how you shape your mouth and throat) mentioned below, equipment can determine your choices as well. The F attachment is a trigger that opens up another longer section of pipe. This allows one to play a note that normally forces one to play 6th position (which is a long distance for the sound to travel from mouthpiece to bell) to play it in 1st position. It helps the player from having to jump back and forth large distances between positions. There also is a bass trombone with two triggers, for even more pipe! The mouthpiece can affect your range. The depth or shallowness of the bore (how the bowl of the mouthpiece is shaped) can make it easier for one to play either high or low ranges. Usually reserved for those that specialize in certain octaves. Enjoy! - -- Tom "Some things can be done, as well as others." - --Sam Patch http://www.frontiernet.net/~tkieslin Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote in message news:7hd0b8$fj8$1@knot.queensu.ca... > Yes, I have noticed that they play air trombone (never thought of it that > way...) and I must say that I was very thrilled. > > But... how do I explain this simply? The trombone slide has seven > positions, all determines by how far you move the slide out from "closed" > (ie you can't bring it on any further) The tricky part of playing the > trombone is that there's no real way to tell if you've got the position > right. You kind of guess and listen, which means to play it you have to be > pretty darn attentive until you get the hang of it. Also, positions are a > little different from 'bone to 'bone, depending on tuning and such. > While moving the slide changes the note, it's not the only thing that > determines the note. You do most of the work with your lips. This is the > whole reason that a trumpet, with only three keys and therefore limited > combinations can produce ocatave after octave (if you're good...) So your > slide could be all the way out in 6th position, but you might be playing a > really high note, or you might be in first playing a low note. You can > even play the same note in two different positions - you can play an F in > 1st or 6th. I have a friend who refuses to play "conventional" positions > and will only play alternate slide positions, Drives me crazy when we play > together. > Well, that was probably longer than it should have been, but you touched > on something near and dear to my heart! :) > :) Veronica (trombonist for over 9 years now) > > -- > *************************************************************************** > "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg > it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology > - Richard Strauss | Queen's University > | Kingston, Ontario > | ICQ#: 38114574 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:04:37 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion well, it would have been his crucifixion if he had managed to dismantle that disco ball in utica :). ~~kate - -- kate leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org ***************************************************************** evil is just special with a criminal record. - --doug, 3.26.99 everybody loves a happy ending but we don't even try we go straight on past pretending to the part where everyone loves to cry - --elvis costello **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:02:46 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: The Polish Piano??? doh! i was aware of only the t-shirt brent and therefore attributed the dawn of the "way to go murray" to him. my sincerest apologies. BTW--who's brent and who's Brent? ~~kate - -- kate leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org ***************************************************************** evil is just special with a criminal record. - --doug, 3.26.99 everybody loves a happy ending but we don't even try we go straight on past pretending to the part where everyone loves to cry - --elvis costello **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:24:16 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: The Polish Piano??? In article <19990512193935.19146.00002205@ng-fw1.aol.com>, srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) says... > Brent McNamee from TO was the "fucker" who > shepherded some of us around TO? I thought? Yeah, the one who guided us through the intricacies of the Toronto subway system and didn't ditch us when fifteen or twenty of us would bail out of the subway cars yelling "GO! GO! GO!" =) - -- Tom Salyers "Now is the Windows of our disk contents IRCnick: Aqualung Made glorious SimEarth by this Sun of Zork." Denver, CO --from _Richard v3.0_ http://www.dimensional.com/~tsalyers/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:01:43 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: This sweet lair... i believe vergil also used morpheus in _the aeneid_. he talked about sleep quite a bit, particularly in the trojan horse scene where the trojans are asleep as the greeks besiege their city. lots of conflicting connotations of sleep in that book. and i really do think he used morpheus as a personified deity of sleep and dreams :). ~~kate - -- kate leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org ***************************************************************** evil is just special with a criminal record. - --doug, 3.26.99 everybody loves a happy ending but we don't even try we go straight on past pretending to the part where everyone loves to cry - --elvis costello **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:17:23 -0400 From: "Meghan Grammer" Subject: Re: Any one from Buffalo? >they were going to be playing in Laffyette Square this summer. So is there >any one from around there on here? If so do you know the schedule of the >square dates? i don't know anything about the lads playing in the square (I know they were there LAST year, and i missed it, grrrr) but they ARE playing at the Friendship Festival on july 3, and i'm planning on going. smoochies, meghan ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1999 01:38:21 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Re: Old crones unite! (was Re: T-shirts) anal except for the fact that I did *Im'* instead of *I'm* as in Im' not used to looking at my posts before I send them!@#%$%^% Angel ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1999 01:36:33 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: Re: Old cronies unite! (was Re: T-shirts) >> OK! You're officially my Promotions Director! As far as a running mate, >> I'm stuck. Frank Zappa's dead,[...] > > Hell, that didn't stop Lloyd Bentsen. > > (In an Ed McMahon voice): HAAY-OHHHHHHHH!! Angel "Im' not tired.... I just sleep...." benfoldsfive P.S. I fixed the spelling in the subject line- I'm pretty anal like that... ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1999 01:43:16 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: OT:Spirit of...wasRe: Lafayette Square >June 3 - Project R&B Revue, The Flutie Brothers Band (yes Doug Flutie is in >this band playing drums) Rock on w/yer bad self Doug! >June 24 - Go Dog Go, Guster, Great Big Sea Guster! Yeyeyey! ***>August 19 - Alison Pipitone, Universal Honey, Spirit of the West ooooohhhh-kay.... ppl keep telling me they broke up? In fact I read it in a magazine?? That after Linda left they just sorta disbanded? Somebody give it to me straight on Spirit of the West??? Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:46:51 GMT From: Muck Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) > Istanbul, huh? Amazing-- really far away *and* a TMBG reference all at > once ;-) now theres a band i havent heard for a while... hrrm... > > ~jen (increasinly impressed by the global appeal of the lads) > i wonder.. are they like very popular over there? or do they have like just a lot of loyal fans? heh.. do they get played on the radio?? Mark. - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:43:08 GMT From: Muck Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous Newbie ;) yay for all the frupeople in Australia... i personally would like to see a show of hands from those down under :) I'm in Melbourne..... My 2nd Fru album .. has been ordered... i think its a 2 - 3 week wait... so until then.. we might have to start with a 3rd album -g- i think i lack the fru experience.. not being able to get to a local gig round here.... and sometimes.. completely miss the point to this whole new groups.. heh.. but i try ;) FRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.. when are u comming to AUS? heh.. dont worry.. i'll be there... neive as all hell... thats my little whinge to today.. how many am i allowed? *smirk* Mark. - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- - ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:31:20 GMT From: Lynne Subject: Re: OT: Please cut it out? :) - a suggestion I barely have time to read the posts, let alone catagorize them, can't say I wouldn't try... but like- will ppl get all mad if someone forgets? I generally sort by subject (i receive posts via email) and read the first (cuz it doesn't have a "Re:") when the topic strays, I just delete IF Im not interested. I dunno... it doesn't make a difference to me if "we" change it or not, it'll still be hard to keep up :P~ - -lynne ..and Lori, whats so bad about a little chaos? :) >I think life would be a lot better if people, as soon as a topic starts to >veer, just put OT, or nFRUc [no fruvous content] or something in the header. ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 1999 02:20:17 GMT From: bnlwildy@aol.com (Bnlwildy) Subject: Re: OT:Spirit of...wasRe: Lafayette Square Actually... they're still together. They put out an album called Weights and Measures w/o Linda. Linda also has a decent solo album out. Can't remember the name of it off the top... I'll find the name if anyone is really interested. In any case, Geoff did an interview for Irish Music Magazine a couple of months ago... Talked about recording the album in Martine Barre's (Jethro Tull) barn in England... talked about how this will be their last release on Columbia... Geoff said they will be self-producing and promoting from now on... trying to get back to the Celtic element that they started with (there is more of it on Weights and Measures). States they were getting pushed by the label to a more "mainstream" sound... now they'll do what they want to do. :) Sounds good for those of us who are fans. Check out Weights and Measures... it's quite good. Wildy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:52:18 GMT From: zdmlwi@listen_to_music.net Subject: The Best Music With The Largest Selection 4090 The Best Music With The Largest Selection. http://www.radiolink.net/musicandmore whzkzlmksjretokeoglfjgmekirspmfkcueyj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:53:53 -0400 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: OT:Spirit of...wasRe: Lafayette Square guster, you say? /me sees a trip to buffalo in her future :). unless i decide to ditch the NY fleadh and go to montreal for their show there. ~~kate - -- kate leahy kleahy@loyola.edu katiewow@frumail.org ***************************************************************** evil is just special with a criminal record. - --doug, 3.26.99 everybody loves a happy ending but we don't even try we go straight on past pretending to the part where everyone loves to cry - --elvis costello **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:49:00 GMT From: Angie Armstrong Subject: post # 1 - commentary My second post is going to be somewhat long, so I figure I'd save eyes a little by separating them... :^) 1) My $0.02 regarding splitting up the ng: I personally am not fond of the idea. If posters could exercise a bit of self-discipline, as I've stated before... things shouldn't get too crazy. Now that there _are_ goings-on in the Früniverse, I'd imagine the number of on-topic posts whould increase. 2) Man, they're just crawlin' outta the woodwork these days, aren't they? First Phil, now Chad (who I finally got to meet at Syracuse!) or was it Utica? I never remember anymore). You've all been gone for so long... didja stop for chips & salsa? 3) Welcome to the latest batch of newbies. I'll forego the pointers and suggestions and tips and such, as they've all been covered quite sufficiently already. Welcome from me, one who occasionally is able to remove her foot from her mouth long enough to chomp on a homemade FrüBar. 4) I have to comment on a personal note... I received an email message today from someone I hadn't heard from in about 8 yrs, in fact we dated 8 yrs ago during college. From the sounds of it, he linked to my email addy from FDC, commenting on the fact that he's been a Fru fan for about 6 years and has also met the 'Lads. Such an odd thing, really... I'm pleasantly surprised but with the other things going on this week it adds an interesting twist to my mood. (I went to the company-wide meeting Monday afternoon to discover I'd been selected as Instructor of the Month... due largely to the 18 days off-site and 2 days on-site for the month of April ;^) ) I think that's it for commentary... save for the comments that follow my next post. - --Angie I'll hold the hope that we won't part and I'll hold off death so I can live with you - Moxy Früvous ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #405 ********************************************