From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #386 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, May 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 386 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) [Richa] Re: TCAT [nixieh@aol.com (NixieH)] Re: The Ubiquitous Pisco [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Quotas (WAS: I'm baaaaaack...). [lurker6728@aol.com (Lurker6728)] Re: Humanism [Eve Lauria ] a non-review of the Clifton Park, NY show ["Adam Hartfield" ] Re: T-shirts [Aryn - Marietta Eaton ] Re: I Went to Utica [McCown ] Re: TCAT [Aryn - Marietta Eaton ] Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) [wahre] Re: Clifton Park review.... [bnlwildy@aol.com (Bnlwildy)] Re: Nields fans take note [jeffkent5852@my-dejanews.com] Re: T-shirts [Cheesemaker Gem ] Re: Ontario Election [Cheesemaker Gem ] Re: T-shirts [Cheesemaker Gem ] The largest and best music selection on or off the net. 2286 [kkemts@lis] Re: More Hockey [Cheesemaker Gem ] Re: T-shirts [Daniel Lerner ] Re: TCAT [tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers)] Re: O Canada [Cheesemaker Gem ] Re: BREAST SIZE [Cheesemaker Gem ] Re: ride on the thought train [Cheesemaker Gem ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:40:34 +0100 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) Leah wrote: > Richard, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but > the sentiments that you expressed ARE feminist. Feminism > isn't about women vs. men, or we hate men. Feminism is > about analyzing the way that society treats both > men and women... Strangely enough, what you describe is what I would call humanism. Labels, schmabels I say, who cares when the heart's in the right place? Can I be a feminist if I let you be a humanist, please? Soggily, in 7/8 time, hopefully, Richard - ----------------------------------------------------- "We'll crawl and chew and dig our way into a radical new world. We will change minds and souls from stone and plastic into linen and gold -- that's what I believe. That's what I know." -- Douglas Coupland - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 1999 20:12:07 GMT From: nixieh@aol.com (NixieH) Subject: Re: TCAT >And by the way, am I the only one who notices that Melanie Griffith's mouth is >completely misaligned from her nose? Nope, You are not the only one. It is amazing what facelifts and overindulging in collagen do. I can't figure out why they use her lips to try to sell lipstick. Yikes I'd be scared if mine got like her's. I guess I am feeling a bit 'catty' today but I really can't stand anythign about Melanie Griffith. (except of course her husband when she isn't in a project with him.) Nixie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:34:52 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Re: The Ubiquitous Pisco In article <7gv5ke$65n$1@infoserver.bgsu.edu>, joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu says... > Just a note to everyone -- I've just taken this down for a couple reasons. > First, this isn't or never has been a public site, and is mainly an > archive I use in cases when someone requests something. Yikes! Sorry, Josh! A thousand apologies! I guess I should have read your site more closely instead of just checking to see if it was still there. I'm really, really sorry. k@ :( ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 1999 20:48:56 GMT From: lurker6728@aol.com (Lurker6728) Subject: Quotas (WAS: I'm baaaaaack...). >5) Oh and Anna, Lori was right about the State Trooper quota thing. I don't >care how much NYS denies there being any type of quota. We saw 6 troopers on >the way to Utica (in that drive normally I've seen maybe 2). It's an awfully >strange coincidence that near the end of every month their numbers increase >on >the roads... There is no quota system in NYS. It has been a myth that has been passed around for some time now. Why do you see more troopers on the road at certain times? Either because you are looking more or because they are out in the open more. Most of the time when you see a trooper parked in plain view they are not neccessarily looking for speeders. (Sometimes, they are even on a break) but it does make you slow down. On places like the Thruway, there are the same amount of troopers on it every day. The ones you see on the Thruway are stationed there. NYS has specific troops that are only Thruway duty. Sorry to burst your bubble. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 21:34:38 GMT From: Eve Lauria Subject: Re: Humanism Lori says: > > But I've read enough of Eve's posts to know she's not a Falwellian wacko. > Really. :) Thanks for the compliment. I have a friend whose highest form of praise is "you're not a bitch-ass ho." Was I ever proud to have him tell me that. hee hee. Anyway, I think the debate going on here is definately over semantics, as was pointed out by Leah and Richard. We all want the same things, which is for people to get along without having to subscribe to this or that gender role, for equal opportunities for any person of any identity whatsoever, and etc. We may differ on how to go about it, but the goals are similar. So I'm feeling this gushing wave of love for humankind right now...yay for people! Eve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:18:46 GMT From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: a non-review of the Clifton Park, NY show This is a non-review. By the time the Fruvous set started, I was in such a state of FruBliss that any critical thoughts I might have had didn't even get a chance to form. :) Thanks to the spot-on directions at FDC, I got to the North Crossing Plaza (or whatever it was called) at 5:30. The largest tenant in that plaza was a boat and rv store. The parking lot of the entire plaza was half-filled with boats and RVs. It was amazing. Fruvous fans from far and wide congregated in front of this club in a strip mall. It seemed like a really strange place for a venue, but once the club opened, it turned out to be really nice, or at least I thought it was. It was roomy with a nice big dance floor in front of the stage and plenty of tables and chairs around the periphery for people to sit. The ventilation seemed decent - while some people were smoking, it wasn't overpowering. I was very selfish and decided long before the show that I was going to try to be in front. Normally I try to be inconspicuous by being extreme Stage Murray, or by just being in the back of the crowd, but I had a new Frufan under my wing (hi Tamra!) and decided Stage Jian would be better. Rest assured that my feelings of guilt for being so tall and possibly blocking the view of those behind me was a thought I had all through the show. So she and I stood there during Jess Klein's great set (I hope my picture of her and Austin come out okay; they did a great set, as always) and also during Rocky Velvet's set. Rocky Velvet...tough to describe. Surfer rock with some 50's love-angst thrown in? The lead singer looked like Sean Penn would if he stuck his finger in an electrical socket and pomaded the resulting coif. They were very LOUD and energetic, quite a switch from JK. Their lead guitarist broke string on the first song, and didn't know how to change it, so asked if anyone in the house knew how. A cry for "Tobey!!" issued forth from the Fruvous fans, and Tobey magically appeared and Took Care Of The Problem very obligingly. Rocky Velvet finished up at around 10:15. By this time poor Tamra was questioning my admonishments to be very aware of her Personal Space and to not let others into it, but as soon as Fruvous came on stage and people started to press forward, she understood. Here's some of what was played, *very* out of order. Thanks to Leah Huntington for collaborating with me on this. Nothing from Wood was played. Maybe others of you who were there can reorder the setlist and add to it as you see fit. river valley kos/geh when she talks I will hold on Billie jean medley my poor generation Michigan militia get in the car early morning rain splatter splatter bj independence day video bargainville. I Love My Boss If Only You Knew Message Your New Boyfriend Johnny Saucep'n Psycho Killer Jian abused me during Boss with his hair-tousling and hip-gyrations. Good thing I was bathed in stage lights, because I'm sure I was beet-red. As for banter, I only remember two things. One was comments about a dripping pipe above the stage, and the other was Mike's pseudo-boxing around the stage a la Joe Dempsey. One thing I missed was the backup refrain vocals in I Will Hold On. I'm so glad I went. This show re-energized me after having less salubrious show experiences in Pointe-Clare and Utica. Afterward I hung out for a while, spoke a few words to Mike, Cal, Tobey, and Jian, watched Murray play pool, and finally headed home at around 1:45. It was lovely seeing all of you and I can't wait for Falcon Ridge! - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:45:37 GMT From: McCown Subject: Re: TCAT Lizzie is not quite sure how we got onto this subject, but jen responded to this comment: >>Next you'll be telling me that Matt Damon isn't a hottie...<< like this: >*Well*, since you asked- >not really. "Kinda cute" is more fitting. which reminded me of the KofP show. "...Everyone's favorite American white guy, Matt Damon, in 'Saving the Gazebo'..."-Jian. For the record, I don't think either Antonio Banderas *or* Matt Damon are particularly attractive. Who *do* I like (because I know you're all interested...)? John Cusack and Kevin Corrigan (if you've never seen the movie "Bandwagon", go rent it! It's wonderful!) love Lizzie, obscure movie fan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:39:27 GMT From: Aryn - Marietta Eaton Subject: Re: T-shirts - --- Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote: > Don't even get me started on the whole buying > clothes that fit tall people > rant. > > Then again, it could be worse - I could be my > "little" sister, who at 6'2" > has more trouble than I do at 5'11" > > :) Veronica > There seem to be a lot of tall fru heads out there. Lets hear it for being tall! Aryn === ******************************************************************** IT WILL BE A DAY LONG REMEMBERED.... IN 12 DAYS THE FORCE WILL BE WITH US AGAIN AS IT HAS NEVER BEEN BEFORE!!!!! ******************************************************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:45:36 GMT From: McCown Subject: Re: I Went to Utica I said: >>Lizzie (who finds it hysterical that everywhere she goes she sees >>election signs that say "re-elect foster for justice" and wonders if >>she should get hold of one for murray. what do you think?) And Lori responded thusly: >YESSSSSS! Oh, like it's even a question??! I'm trying to find out, right now, how I can get one without stealing one out of someone's backyard... >Will you be at Hoboken, Lizzie? Unfortunately, no. :( I am very disappointed, but my parents decided it's too far if I'm going to be seeing them as soon as Spring Gulch. Which I obviously do not agree with, because there is no such thing as "too far" when you are talking about a Fruvous concert. But since I'm not the one with the car or the driver's license, I suppose it wasn't really up to me. I am placating myself with seeing Eddie From Ohio instead, so it's not so bad. But I'm still sad :( love, a sad Lizzie (who still wishes that everyone else who is going has a fantastically wonderful time--and someone give my love to the guys, please! :)) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:30:45 GMT From: Aryn - Marietta Eaton Subject: Re: TCAT - --- "Jordan I. K. McClure" wrote: > > : We seem to be on to something here then. > Heterosexual men seem to think > : Antonio is someone all heterosexual women find > irresistible. Heterosexual > : women know better. > Next you'll > be telling me that > Matt Damon isn't a hottie... > > jordan > NO WAY Matt Damon is deffinaltly a "hottie" I've never used that term before. ARRGGHH! === ******************************************************************** IT WILL BE A DAY LONG REMEMBERED.... IN 12 DAYS THE FORCE WILL BE WITH US AGAIN AS IT HAS NEVER BEEN BEFORE!!!!! ******************************************************************** _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:01:53 GMT From: wahrend@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Sad Girl (was breast size, and damn did I hate that header :P) > Hmmmmmm it makes me wonder if all the girl out there that like tall > guys...unconciuosly like them because they are less likely to be staring at > our breasts. I mean not to say that a tall mad isn't going to look at my > chest, but is he's not right across from him maybe it is less likely. > **Jiel** I don't think that is the case, I always thought that women liked guys in general because we're like portable space heaters and women are cold, bone cold in some cases (not as in ice queens, that is another post entirely :-)). But as for being tall, well, I think you're equally likely to get your breasts stared at whether the guy is short or tall (its the years of david hasslehoff and babe-watch that does it..). Television, it corrupts! save our kids! And don't get me started on the tellytubbies... leave it to the british to come up with that insidious violator of young minds *sheesh*. "wild" Bill (my obligatory monthly post.. ) - -- Trying is the first step to failure - Homer Simpson - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 8 May 1999 00:07:28 GMT From: bnlwildy@aol.com (Bnlwildy) Subject: Re: Clifton Park review.... Well... unfortunately, some elements of the crowd really didn't help the show. A couple of smart a$$es in the back wouldn't let Jian finish the lead-in to King of Spain... and you could tell during the second encore that the band was getting annoyed by the group at the bar. No "My Baby Loves a Bunch of Authors" No "Drinking Song". There was a pretty neat take on the Star-Spangled banner that was about pollution. And a lot of disparaging talk about Albania (although not quite so bad as Syracuse) ;) A lot of new songs I hadn't heard before. No Sad Girl (which I was thankful for), but no Pisco either. Still, an excellent show... except for the idiots in back. Wildy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:57:05 GMT From: jeffkent5852@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Nields fans take note > you aren't, like, the jeff kent who plays for the san fran giants, are you? > And if I AM? - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:47:58 GMT From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: Re: T-shirts - --- Srm9988n wrote: > Jiel wrote, and Mindy Amen-ed, and I snip: > > >>All I have to say is Amen to that...I tell ya it > must be a fru guy > >>thing to > >>know how to think on topics that actually matter > to the opposite sex. > > > You could cut that off right after "think". :) HA! may i give an amen to that :) - -jen the cheesemonkey === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:53:27 GMT From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: Re: Ontario Election - --- Fiona wrote: > The election has been called for June 3rd (looks > like the guys will have to > vote early) Wonder if an Ontario date will suddenly > pop up now? Big Fish, > Today's the Day and Downsizing are suddenly even > more relevant than usual, > it would be a shame to not have them played. yay, i get to vote for the first time! you can bet your ass ill be first at the post trying to get Harris out on his ass. lets hear it for the Liberals! - -jen, who is getting all into this politics stuffus :) === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:56:20 GMT From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: Re: T-shirts - --- petit_chou@juno.com wrote: > > kristen said: > >now if only you had a solution to all of our breast > complaints, you'd > >really be on a roll... > > Okay. Here it is. Watch There's Something About > Mary and pay special > attention at the Magda-Saggy-Breasts-Revealed part. > Then think to > yourself, "Self, thank goodness you have the good > sense to wear > appropriate support and just look at what you COULD > have instead. I'm so > glad I've got what I've got." I swear this works > for all types. : ) hahahaha good one! that scene is NASTY! - -jen === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 02:09:55 GMT From: kkemts@listen_to_music.net Subject: The largest and best music selection on or off the net. 2286 The largest and best music selection on or off the net. http://www.radiolink.net/listentomusic ikjseuluhslenepgrvpnhrzlgcmldwumgekonvbtyutfdzdodepqmjikphcvhgkrqucu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 02:26:36 GMT From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: Re: More Hockey Yay! Dallas 3-0 shutout against St. Louis on Thurs!! man, if The Stars can keep their momentum, what a glorious win it will be! - -jen the starmonkey === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:32:52 -0400 From: Daniel Lerner Subject: Re: T-shirts lets hear it for being short? - -- "If cloning is outlawed then only outlaws will have clones" Sifyl humor of Dan and Stan: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/worldupsidedown RITCK Online: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/ritcirclek ICQ: 6976841 IM: wwwwud ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 20:32:44 -0600 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: TCAT In article <19990507161207.02307.00000991@ng-fi1.aol.com>, nixieh@aol.com (NixieH) says... > I guess I am feeling a bit 'catty' today but I really can't stand anythign > about Melanie Griffith. (except of course her husband when she isn't in a > project with him.) Speaking as a heterosexual man, I can't stand her either. I think the worst part is that godawful squeaky *voice*. Shudder. - -- Tom Salyers "Now is the Windows of our disk contents IRCnick: Aqualung Made glorious SimEarth by this Sun of Zork." Denver, CO --from _Richard v3.0_ http://www.dimensional.com/~tsalyers/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 03:06:45 GMT From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: Re: O Canada - --- FruWench wrote: > On the sixth day, God turned to the Archangel > Gabriel and said, "Today I am > going to create a land called Canada. It will be a > land of outstanding natural > beauty. It will have tall majestic mountains full > of mountain goats and > eagles, beautiful sparkling lakes bountiful with > bass and trout, forests full > of elk and moose, high cliffs overlooking sandy > beaches with an abundance of > sea life and rivers stocked with salmon." God > continued, "I shall make the > land rich in natural > resources so as to make the inhabitants prosper, I > shall call these inhabitants > Canadians and they will be known for their humour, > kindness, and sense of > justice." > > "But Lord," asked Gabriel. "Don't you think you are > being too generous to > these Canadians?" > > "Not really," replied God. "Just wait and see the > neighbours I'm going to give > them." HA!!! I LOVE IT! - -jen === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 02:44:26 GMT From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: Re: BREAST SIZE - --- Eve Lauria wrote: > Cheesemaker wrote: > > > every imperfection i have. this is due to a low > self > > esteem, but also because i feel i have to live up > to > > some expectation of what a woman should look like. > and > > then some men wonder and complain about why we > care so > > much about how we look and with dieting and all > that. > > i dont wanna sound like a raving feminist (im > not!), > > but ARGHH this bothers me so much. > > ...as I pop out of the lurker closet where I've been > secreting myself for > many months... > > I just wanted to mention that I AM a raving feminist > (and damn proud of > it!) and when did it become such a terrible thing to > be a feminist? > ...as I pop out of the lurker closet where I've been > secreting myself for > many months... > > I just wanted to mention that I AM a raving feminist > (and damn proud of > it!) and when did it become such a terrible thing to > be a feminist? Well, to me, its not a terrible thing to be a feminist, but IMO, it is to be a feminazi! i'm all for equality and ya, sometimes i get staunch feminist tendencies, but when a feminist believes women are the superior race and all that jazz, she is crossing the line. i mean, isnt that kind of reverse sexism? anyhoo, sorry if i offended :) >I > think that part of the problem is a preponderance of > PEOPLE who are > obssessed with appearances to the detriment of all > else. Maybe we need > to discuss exactly why this is? i am more senstive to the issue of appearences due to the fact that i was born with spina bifida, which has deformed my feet, legs, and hips, and ass. to me, its not about wanting to look like a perfect supermodel. but i would love to look "normal" its tough to be a teen girl, especially nowadays, with all the pressure. and i believe its even worse for those who have deformities and disabilities to deal with in addition. - -jen's 2 cents :) === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 03:23:24 GMT From: Cheesemaker Gem Subject: Re: ride on the thought train > FruRelevance? > Um, Courtney Love plays Nancy's friend in that > movie...and she's also in > 200 Cigarettes with Paul Rudd and Elvis Costello. > Elvis > Costello...Alison/Oliver's Army, etc...Fruvous! > > Not bad, aye? hehe! 6 degrees of Moxy Früvous! - -jen === The World's Shortest Pessimistic Poem: Hope? Nope. - -Robert Zeal _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #386 ********************************************