From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #338 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, April 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 338 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jian gets a makeover ["pookie" ] Conversation on another channel [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin)] Re: Jian gets a makeover [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (LimeZinger)] Re: Jian gets a makeover ["Jill Hufnagel" ] Moxy at the Spring Gulch Festival [nendawen@aol.com (Nendawen)] oh, the corruption of peers... [Mindy J Munson ] Re: Jian gets a makeover [Anna! ] Re: Jian gets a makeover ["Jill Hufnagel" ] Re: Jian gets a makeover ["Jill Hufnagel" ] Re: Moxy at the Spring Gulch Festival [Mindy J Munson ] Re: Official Fruheads [Nate DeRose ] Re: Official Fruheads [nafio@my-dejanews.com] Re: Falcon Ridge (was New Holland!) [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Jian gets a makeover [limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (LimeZinger)] Re: Falcon Ridge (was New Holland!) [srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n)] Re: Official Fruheads [Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: like fruvous, but not. and my fruheadness [Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover If anyone cares...i saw an old episode of Just For Laughs(canadian comedy festival out of montreal) and they did King of Spain, and Fly...but i was rather disappointed with the audience...b/c of most of them had either not heard of fruvous...or had and decided to shout the wrong things during the song.....I don't like MM...i watch Much More Music a lot more ...and the as for the MTV debate...the last time i watched Mtv...was when Beavis and BUtthead were first airing...i know..i know...it was a long time ago..my tastes have changed dramatically...but i still don't catch fruvous as much as i should/wish ...and as for Fru vids...the only one i have seen is King of Spain...and that was right when bargainville came out...although i did catch a fruvous concert(for the first time..i have been deflowered...:o)) last time they were in windsor....hmm..its late..im rambling now..should go to bed...sorry to all those who had to read this..... pooks... - -----" i have come here to kick ass and chew bubble gum...and im all outta gum"----Roddy Piper(Nada) in THEY LIVE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:51:05 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Conversation on another channel Actual conversation that just took place... "Is this the band that I can never remember the name of? The one that Sean likes?" "Yeah." "Mulan Proxy or something, right?" k@ just had to share ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 1999 16:19:48 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (LimeZinger) Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover >> geez yeah, all we get is one teeny dave appearance on sci-fi. > >Yeah, but teeny? He was the STAR! oh.. i missed it. well, still, it's not *moxy*! >(some of you don't even have husbands who tape stuff like MST3K over it, > >depriving you of your Dave fix when you want it.) LOL! sarah http://members.aol.com/limezinger linnellgirl@tmbg.org * icq #26873712 * mstie #77216 "once i left my soul on the top of a car and drove off."- mike nelson, mst3k ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:28:01 GMT From: "Jill Hufnagel" Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover Ok well I'm extemely jealous of all that live in Canada!!! Not only because you have more of a chance of running into Fruvous while watching TV, but also because you have the chance to possibly catch one of their music videos. I don't know do they show those in the States at all...You see I'm a very deprived child that growing up never had Cable, for my father thought that it rotted your brain. Now I'm just a struggling College student and is just too poor to afford it. I do however have an episode of Music works that I had my grandfather tape off of a Canadian station from around the "Wood" era. And I also have a Preformance from a long time ago when Bargianville came out and they were on AM Buffalo. So if anyone has any of their videos or any other cool Fruvous appearances maybe we could start a little video swap...if there is one going already? **Jiel** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 1999 18:14:39 GMT From: nendawen@aol.com (Nendawen) Subject: Moxy at the Spring Gulch Festival Hello! I am new to this group, and relatively new to Moxy. Although I only heard about them last summer, since then I have heard all of their albums. I just bought Wood last night. What I was wondering was if anyone had directions to, or new where in New Holland PA this Spring Gulch Festival is happening? I missed them the last 2 times they've come to the area, and I am very serious about going to see them. If you can help in anyway, please do. Thank you. Nendawen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:25:46 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: oh, the corruption of peers... hmmm yesterday was good. I went to have sushi with my friend Helen. When we arrived at my house I realized "Oh! I have an Ark tape and a TO (21st) tape and I am mid convertion with Helen." So We grab the tapes and run back to her house. This is all in light of my friend Martin saying that he was going to Canada and one of his main reasons is to GET MOXY MERCHANDISE. Also he is making a tape for Laura and Jared the Italian Stallion (or so he thinks) has gotten lectured enough to at least get as close to Jian's name as Dejon......yes who ever said that before It just happended to me too! Earlier yesterday Jian was called Dojin but anyway.... So Helen and I start watching to Ark and we are loving it. Now we had plans to go to the Gulch Fest because her family reunion is the next day. So she says "i have to see a concert!" so i call the 1 800 and I am getting stuff sent to me all about what is going down that day! Then we kicked back with a bottle of Amaretto (to which we later added vinilla ice cream) and watched the TO show. it was wonderful! She keeps saying that she wants to be "an official fruhead" but I don't know what qualifies as one...seeing your first concert? Well, I assured her that it will happen...and besides, she has purple sox! fruchild, *canoodle!* ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:11:39 GMT From: Anna! Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover In article <7fbih1$772$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cheesemonkey_fruvite@my-dejanews.com wrote: > and they go play NSYNCH and BACKSTREET BOYS. I would imagine there would be > enough of that on MTV, why overload the Canadian station with that crap? The more crap the better? Apparently. Don't ask me what goes on in people's heads these days. Not a whole lot of people want to hear things that are new and inventive. Now, if I could just figure out why. Perhaps formulating an opinion is a *really* difficult thing for them. I couldn't care less if people like something or hate it - just give it a chance. > UG. MM runs a contest to become a vj for a day, program whateva > ya want. Oh man, if i won, it would be a 24 hour FRUVATHON, you can bet your > ass! hehe, that would be the best. next time they have the contest im going > for it. *laughs* I'm just picturing the viewing public's reaction to the same seven videos being played over, and over, and over. Then I realize - Oh wait, that's how they program anyway. > -jen, sitting home on a saturday night not feeling too swell Oof. Hope you feel better! - -anna- http://elements.dreamhost.com - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:55:24 GMT From: "Jill Hufnagel" Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover >I caught the last few seconds of the Fly video. And then it never >came on >again. And i have never even seen the Get in The Car video Ok I haven't seen any of the Moxy Videos so isn't anybody sad for me? I sure am!!! Remember I have those two videos...Not perfect video quality, however still very nice to look at... **Jiel** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:01:38 GMT From: "Jill Hufnagel" Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover >I don't even want to know what they would try to do with me. The >idea of >making over Jian strikes me as a little silly, because it's not >like they can >really make a markable difference. It's not like he's some >super-crazy >dresser who can get toned down, or a super-conservative dresser >who needs >more flair. He just seems sorta normal to me. But then, this >preppy threat is >everywhere these days...they're looking for more victims :) Of >course, I'm >sure the whole idea was just for fun, which makes my previous >points, well, >pointless. >-anna- Hey I think that it was totally pointful!!! And I totally agree...Why mess with perfection...Right? **Jiel** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:55:08 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Moxy at the Spring Gulch Festival hey hey and welcome.. haha! Im the first! Well, Im getting my info from FDC (www.fruvous.com) go uder tour dates and then next to may 22 they will have info. I actually just called the provided 1 800 # (if you click rite on may 22) to ask for all the needed info.... hope to see you there!!!! fruchild, *canoodle!* On 18 Apr 1999 18:14:39 GMT nendawen@aol.com (Nendawen) writes: > >Hello! > >I am new to this group, and relatively new to Moxy. Although I only >heard >about them last summer, since then I have heard all of their albums. >I just >bought Wood last night. > >What I was wondering was if anyone had directions to, or new where in >New >Holland PA this Spring Gulch Festival is happening? I missed them the >last 2 >times they've come to the area, and I am very serious about going to >see them. > >If you can help in anyway, please do. Thank you. > >Nendawen > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:27:26 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover Jiel said: >Ok I haven't seen any of the Moxy Videos so isn't anybody sad for me? I'm sad for you and me both, Jiel. I haven't seen them either. It's a sad thing to live in America sometimes... Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:24:32 GMT From: "Jill Hufnagel" Subject: Re: Jian Makeover I guess was the original >MM runs a contest to become a vj for a day, >program whateva >ya want. Oh man, if i won, it would be a 24 hour FRUVATHON, you >can bet your >ass! hehe, that would be the best. next time they have the >contest im going >for it. Hey if this ever happens I want to know I would definitly find some way to see it. >In fact, i suggest we fruheads ban together and assemble a >systematic takeover >of MM and MTV! As for this you get a big old HELL YA!!! **Jiel** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:27:47 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Sad Today Okay. So you know how Fruvous is playing here in Seattle and some people were about to get really excited for me (like Lori) cause I'd finally get to see them live but then we noted that they're playing a tavern which is highly unfortunate because Washington has some strict-ass liquor laws and there is virtually no way for me to go unless A) the tavern decides NOT to serve liquor that evening and let minors in (can you say "snowball's chance in hell") or B) I am smuggled in under someone's coat. Wanna know the icing on the cake? Well, my newest convert (a guy named Eric) just started to get into the lads (like, a month or two ago) and guess what...that's right...he's the big two-one, and he's gonna go see them. This is great. Just great. I don't get to go, but my (figurative) progeny get to go? Sheesh. What has the world come to? Heather "It Sucks to be Under 21 (unless you're Canadian, in which case It Sucks to be Under 19)" Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 13:21:20 -0600 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin) Subject: Official Fruheads In article <19990418.141746.-4155435.3.SHAZALINREA@juno.com>, shazalinrea@juno.com says... > She keeps saying > that she wants to be "an official fruhead" but I don't know what > qualifies as one...seeing your first concert? Well, I assured her that > it will happen...and besides, she has purple sox! Hmmm...what does it "officially" take? I know, I know - we're all- inclusive here and would never do anything to alienate those Not Yet Of The Body. But now Mindy's got me wondering. So with all that in mind and tongue firmly in cheek, what's everyone's opinion? What made each of us first start considering ourselves Fruheads? Something definitely snapped in me when I saw my first show - I'm pretty sure it wasn't a radioactive spider bite, but it had essentially the same life-transforming effect. But then again, are we going by the degree of one's devotion to the band? Is it measured in FruMiles or number of shows seen? Some of us have a distinct geographical disadvantage there. Or maybe it's gauged by how far we've gone to embarrass ourselves in the presence of Our Heroes (in which case no one can question my loyalty). Or else it could be measured by the extent to which we can maintain our dignity and respectfully show our admiration for our favorite musicians without making utter fools of ourselves in the process (if so, I'm in trouble again). But hey, I do have the socks! In fact, I bought two pairs of white socks (*and* an ankle brace!) right before FruCon, and dyed them bright purple just for the occasion. Not that anything ever became of the purple-socks plan, but I know some of us did try. So, keeping in mind that we are *all* officially official if we want to be, what's everyone else think? k@ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:56:48 GMT From: "Jill Hufnagel" Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover >It's a >sad thing to live in America sometimes... I think that it's a sad thing to live in America all the time. I think that some really cool Canadian Fruheads that can possibly see or have the videos should help us out...what do you think. **Jiel** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:25:34 -0400 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Official Fruheads Katrin wrote: > > In article <19990418.141746.-4155435.3.SHAZALINREA@juno.com>, > shazalinrea@juno.com says... > > She keeps saying > > that she wants to be "an official fruhead" but I don't know what > > qualifies as one...seeing your first concert? Well, I assured her that > > it will happen...and besides, she has purple sox! > > Hmmm...what does it "officially" take? I know, I know - we're all- > inclusive here and would never do anything to alienate those Not Yet Of > The Body. But now Mindy's got me wondering. So with all that in mind and > tongue firmly in cheek, what's everyone's opinion? What made each of us > first start considering ourselves Fruheads? Interesting question. I really think that everyone shows their admiration in different ways... and that that's just fine! I mean, some people like to get right up front and dance the show away, do all the hand jives :) and be in a position to be noticed. Then there are people like me, who like to sit down.... have a few drinks... and just kinda groove that way. I have an excuse, of course, since I'm generally taping.... but even before I started doing that, this is generally the way I liked to experience a show. I'm someoone who likes to just sit down and take it all in. There are the people who feel the need to line up and talk to the guys after every show..... and get all giddy and weak in the knees when they do....... Then there are those who don't see it as necessary to talk to them at every show....and only talk to them when they have something to discuss or ask. Me? I'm pretty much in the latter category... though if it's convenient, I like to at least say "thanks." to them..... but not if there's a line or anything. The point is... everyone who likes the band enough to go to shows, listen to tapes or discs.. or even make fools of themselves for the sake of their fan-dom, is an "official fruhead." They're just people, ya know? They make really good music.... they put on an increadible show... and they have an unparalleled relationship with their fans...... but still, they're just people. No need to worship them.... or fight over who the "biggest fan" is.... :) Am I rambling? lol! perhaps. anyways... those are just a few of my "I just woke up" thoughts..... your views may vary. nate ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 21:03:23 GMT From: nafio@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Official Fruheads Mindy wrote: > > She keeps saying > > that she wants to be "an official fruhead" but I don't know what > > qualifies as one...seeing your first concert? Well, I assured her that > > it will happen...and besides, she has purple sox! And Katrin responded: >What made each of us first start considering ourselves Fruheads? /me settles in for a very long thread. Haven't seen *this* question come up in a good long while and it's always interesting. As you said, k@, whether or not someone is a Frühead depends very much on the individual. The guys were once asked "What makes someone a Frühead" and the response was something to do with "Willing to admit it in public". When did I personally consider myself a Frühead? (Since I've been called an old-timer by a couple of people and currently have the earliest "First show date" on the Fruvous Survey that I've seen, I guess this answer may involve some history and be Slightly Long) I've been a Früvous fan since Bargainville.. albeit a very mild one until I saw them live. I wouldn't even have thought of calling myself a Frühead when I first joined the newsgroup 2 years ago. (See people? I've only been here two years. NOT an old-timer *g*) At that time, I percieved "Frühead" to mean someone who had all the albums and travelled to shows. As I had just the one album and had never intentionally seen them live much less *travelled* to a show, I didn't feel myself worthy of the title "Frühead". Fast-forward a few months, past my first couple of shows, lots of ng readingand some time on IRC... by about September '97 I felt like I was more a part of the community (ie a Frühead). However as I still hadn't travelled to any shows and wasn't in a position to do much travelling even when I *wanted* to, I didn't think that everyone else thought of me as a Frühead. The first time I *really* felt totally a part of things was the July 7th show at Harbourfront last year. I'd done some agressive (for me anyway) introducing of myself at FruCon and now there were quite a few faces I remembered, who at least somewhat remembered me, and who were quite happy to let me be silly with them. I made connections with people that time, and I've never looked back. So for me "Frühead" means more than just "a fan of Moxy Früvous". There are plenty of people who take that Too Far (and I don't mean you k@) and they're certainly not Früheads in my book. Respect for the guys plays a big part, having as many of the albums as you can find is maybe another, but those are both just part of being a "good fan". A "Frühead" means being an active participant in the fan community in whatever way you can; online, at shows or both, talking to the guys or not. It's having people who are happy to see you when you post or arrive, and of course, hugs *g* Fiona This has been my opinion, YMMV and probably will. - -- well, there's my quote for the month..and it's only the 13th..damn ;> - - Drea April 13th 1999 - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 1999 21:36:31 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Falcon Ridge (was New Holland!) Hey Lori, you don't really need that voice do you? hee hee. Hate who? ladywench (Also known as the "evil FruWitch" holding Lori's voice for ransom) FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1999 00:17:55 GMT From: limezinger@aol.commmmmmmm (LimeZinger) Subject: Re: Jian gets a makeover >MTV must be pretty bad for one to be likin' MuchMusic! ohhh yeah. fruvous is like.. your friend's garage band to mtv. they've never heard of them, they don't care. heck, mtv rarely plays *music* at all.. (and when it is, it's like... sugar ray or britney spears .. take your pick. bleh.) feel lucky that much ever cared enough to show them... sarah http://members.aol.com/limezinger linnellgirl@tmbg.org * icq #26873712 * mstie #77216 "i don't just talk in limericks and rhymes and jips and jimes" - jesse camp ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1999 00:02:44 GMT From: srm9988n@aol.com.LoriM (Srm9988n) Subject: Re: Falcon Ridge (was New Holland!) FruWitch wrote: >Hey Lori, you don't really need that voice do you? hee hee. Hate who? >ladywench >(Also known as the "evil FruWitch" holding Lori's voice for ransom) Now I must admit this is something I hadn't even considered when designating a "downtime camping area." It may just be that I'll be kicked out of Camp Noisy if I hang out with ladywench overlong. - -- Lori, aka ArielHM@aol.com (for FruWitch-related reasons of course :) ) ************* and while I'm mentioning it, have y'all seen the FruCon pix at ?? ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1999 00:51:58 GMT From: Revell Sara E <4ser4@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Official Fruheads nafio@my-dejanews.com wrote: >When did I personally consider myself a Fruhead? (Since I've been called >an old-timer by a couple of people and currently have the earliest "First >show date" on the Fruvous Survey that I've seen, I guess this answer may >involve some history and be Slightly Long) Ooooh, a challenge...what show was that? I'm pretty sure that I saw them pre-Bargainville...and I definately saw their Barginville tour (with Jann Arden opening...a complete unknown at the time, what a bizarre opener for Fruvous). Can't remember the dates though.... My opinion on the Fruhead question is someone who is an active fan - promotes the band, supports them, does what they can. I don't think the number of shows you have seen, or how far you have gone to see them, or participating in the internet makes someone a Fruhead. People always come up with terms for devoted fans, be they Trekkies, Whovians, Deadheads, whatever - I don't think there is any specific "thing" that puts someone in that class - self-defination I guess. Thats my oh-so-humble-opinion Sara, who's still begging for more (any!!!) Southern Ontario dates, so I can actually meet some other fellow Fruheads!! _______ The secret of life: breathe in, breathe out, repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:39:42 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: like fruvous, but not. and my fruheadness >http://standing.ontheoutside.com/independentlyhappy/ > >kinda reminds me of how I feel about fruvous. >its a good read, regardless. > >-anna- That was so incredibly perfect. Thank you Anna! For me, I claimed fruheadness way before my time. */me wonders how much detail to go into* Früvous all started for me in 96 Me and the "non conformist group" (oxy moron?) chilled in the lobby after every school day, just sitting there basking in the friendliness of one another. One day Sam asked "Mindy, have you heard Moxy Früvous?" "yeah, they are the King o Spain ppl, right?" Patrick groans and says "thats not the only thing they play. you sound stay away from the radio petite fuego. dont you know its run by the man?" Sam laughs and gives me a tape the next day (Sept 18 1996, its written on the tape I swear!) containing bville and b album. I'm not quite sure what I did with the tape. I may have even listened to the whole thing once. I do remember playing KOS quite a few times, though, being the retard that I am. The group even tried to bring me to a few concerts but mom said that Buffalo was to far to go from Rochester *LOL!!* But, my world was about to collapse around me and every thing that I knew was soon to shatter. I was informed that we were moving. When I went to Germany with my class, I would not be coming home. I was to take a separate plane alone to VA. And my depression began. One day that fall (98) I got a letter from April (one of the 2 other non conformist chyx) with a picture. It was a profile of Jian talking to some fans. On the back it said "I couldn't remember if you liked Moxy or not, but Jian is hot" I had never seen a pic of Früvous before. It was a bad pic of Ji but there was no argument that had attractive potential, but looking at that picture something in me clicked. I thought to myself "this is going to be a big part of my life" and it had nothing to do with Ji's looks so =+P '. I'm usually right when I get a feeling like that, so I ran and unpacked me tapes burrowing for Früvous. In went the tape and off went me to the net. I found FDC and saw EVERY picture (I shit you not) and read reviews of about 100 shows. I read all the articles and quills and FAQ and most of the fan stuff. There was no turning back. Once I read about the fruheads, I had to consider myself one. This was My link back home, and with all honesty; without Früvous and my religion I would not have been here for you guys to have met. I went to my first show at the Birchmere and met all the guys but Murray. Even then, I waited until most cleared away. I wanted to talk a bit and didn't want to hold others up. The rest is history (well more so after I joined the ng in Nov and saw I was not as much of a fruhead as I thought=+)) I fell in love =+) and there was no turning back. There are times when I think "what was I into before this? I can't believe I'm interested in politics! Damn, I can't stop now. How does one just cease seeing something so important to them, something that in a way saved their life?" I will see the guys after every show. Its just my tradition. I want them to know they are important to me, and I appreciate them and their music. I like to think I give them total respect. I do not wait in line really, I kinda wait off to the side so that when they are done they will talk to me. I hate to be intrusive. If I saw them on the streets, I would like to think that I could just wave and not crowd them. If we have what I think to be a personal conversation, I won't share it with the whole ng. I do wish to one day be good enough friends to just be able to go out to coffee and just chill. Not have conversation in mind, just enjoy one anothers company. I am aware, though, that this is unlikely, but it will not detract in anyway my awe of this time that I have with them. If I have connected in anyway what so ever with the band, it would be Jian. I find that fitting considering that It was his picture that brought me to them in the first place. I just feel comfortable around him. Mom still doesn't understand this. She sees it as an obsession with the handsome guy that spews sexuality from stage. I see as someone I consider a friend, even if I am not to him. That is the hardest one to explain to ppl. Were it any other member, it would be different, but Jian was the one to comfort me when the "Ben incident" happened and it took all my strength not to sob in his comforting arms. Nice shirt and all, you know =+) Now that I have gone on a complete tangent, I truly hope that you read all of this. This is basically my frufans thing that will never be posted =+) fruchild, *canoodle!* ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #338 ********************************************