From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #249 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, March 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- All Jellyfish ?s answered! re:musician unknown [piscopinto@aol.com (PISCO] Re: If Only and new album [Mindy J Munson ] Re: Frucon puzzles! [jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure)] Re: If Only and new album [mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie)] Re: Music Videos???? [jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure)] New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read [Mindy J Munson ] Re: If Only and new album [driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com (Stiff, Dried, Creak] Re: Strengthen your marriage or relationship [Nate DeRose ] Re: If Only and new album [Mindy J Munson ] I'm new too!!! ["Jill Hufnagel" ] Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations [N] Re: Susan Werner and Gazebos . . . [nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nic] My Poor Generation (was Re: New Album Excitement) [Nate DeRose ] OT: a little pop-culture fun... ["^kat^" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Mar 1999 00:18:36 GMT From: piscopinto@aol.com (PISCOPINTO) Subject: All Jellyfish ?s answered! re:musician unknown >>In fact, I'm not even sure they still exist? > >This is true. They disbanded (it sounds so much cooler tha "broke up") a >while ago. One of the guys in in Imperial Drag (maybe more than one guy, >I don't remember). > > 2 guys... Eric Dover (lineup #2) and Roger "Fuzzy Navel" Manning (full-time) the other thing Eric is known for was Slash's Snakepit (where he did some serious yelling) Another cool ex-Jellyfish project, besides Jason Falkner's solo/Grays stuff, is a band called the Umajets, featuring Tim Smith from the 2nd lineup, who IMHO is the most naturally retro-looking guy in Jellyfish. They put out (far as I know) one CD with some okay stuff-the best song is the lead track "Daphne's Disease" And if you go back to the Grays all the musicians in that band have done cool stuff- mostly Jon Brion and all his work with his gal pal (hmmm...) Aimee Mann. Angel "she dots her i's with a smiley face/ a work of art in all but taste" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:13:23 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: If Only and new album Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> writes: >Hey, are you calling me weird??! I resmeble that -- I mean, I >*resent* >that!!! :) Freudian slip... Yeah, that's it.... tehe >OK, ok, so it's true. But it's not my fault. It's genetic. Passed down >a >long lineage of Molloy weirdos. You should see our family gatherings! >Hoo >boy!! (on a side note, there'll be another addition to our family in >October!! The aunt and uncle who came to Lee's with me are going >to have a baby. Yippee!! Another cousin!!) My God! You have the most productive family I have ever met! Is it like a family game to see who is most fertile? >Besides that, it's true. Most fish species, especially smaller ones, >can't >survive fast flowing waters found in main streams. Besides, if he's a >bandit trying to escape, it seems pretty silly to me to be fighting >the >current the whole way... :) But that way no one would suspect... hes the intellegent bandit fish fruchild, " I AM the band" Murray 2/6/99 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 1999 17:44:01 GMT From: jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure) Subject: Re: Frucon puzzles! KatieWow (kleahy@loyola.edu) wrote: : that could be one of two. i know jian was on table #2, but i can't remember : who else was on that table. Mike and Dave were on table one; Jian and Murray on table two. j! - -- I went to a restaurant that serves "breakfast at anytime". So I ordered French Toast during the Renaissance. -- Stephen Wright ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 1999 00:38:50 GMT From: mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie) Subject: Re: If Only and new album Subject: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read > There does seem to be a direction (sort >of) that the >new material is taking, but I would not call that direction "musical >maturity." From >where I sit, wood was the most musically mature thing they've done. >YWGTTM was a >step into another direction. Kind of wry eclectic pop. Great stuff, >but musically >mature? Gimme a break! Musical fun more like. I don't see how you can't find things like Independence Day anything *but* mature >For me the new material seems to be continuing somewhat in the same >direction as >YWGTTM in that it is less folky and more popular/alternative than the >older stuff but >there is more seriousness to it. What does that mean in a nutshell? >Well not >boring, but mainstream? Yeah a bit more so. *snip*Songs like Pisco and If Only You Knew and Earthquakes >(if only they >do it the right way!) Have not heard Earthquakes but I enjoy the others. [1] But songs like IWHO, Independance Day, My >Poor Generation, >You Can't Be Too Careful, Half As Much, Grudge, and When She Talks do >all seem to me >to be in a similar more mainstream vein than anything Fruvous has done >previously. I Will Hold on has some of the most beautiful lyrics I have heard in a while and I love it. Sad Girl is was strikes me as pop, but I love it! Otherwise would I play it for my class? Independence Day, mainstream? HAHAHHAHAHA Let me catch my breath for a second! All I could think about when I heard this was "If radio played this, I would actually listen to the radio!" MPG I think is so mature, it has been Brilliently done. YCBTC, HAM-tehe, and Grudge just sound like they need a lil brushin' here and there, maybe try a new kind of style with them. Now as for WST, I have heard the one-dimensional argument. Am I the only one who listens to a sng to listen to a song? I mean without searching for one great meaning. Ji likes the Beatles, right? Now please, I dare someone to tell me that all the Beatles songs were complex. Actually I can't think of one off-hand that was! And yet I love them. I think it is great they they have songs of all dimensions so that everyone can relate to the new album in some way. My brother is very much in love with the... um... witch that dumped him, and this song invoked feelings in him.... Thats the point of music, is it not? *snip* > I mean as songs go, they are fine if >you are just >talking in general, but I do not feel that those 3 currently live up >to the lofty >standards that Fruvous has set for themselves. I missed it.... what standards? Perhaps it is unfair >to expect them >to continuously meet such high expectations, unfortunately, once you >are shown to be >as good as they have been shown to be, the public holds you to that >standard >forever. not unfair at all. Everyone *must* have opinions our the world would suck. I think Chad is right in that it is good to help out the band by giving your feelings, but unlike Chad, I believe we give our feelings and have no right to say that a song "sucks" b/c it may mean something to others. Here is my final statment. I think now, as always, Fruvous is writing from their hearts. I think some of us have seen other bands go mainstream and are a little wigged out that fruvous may as well. I think it would be awful if I wrote something from my heart and someone said "you know, I usually like your stuff, but not this time." I am going to do a terrible thing, and tell my interputation of what I thought Jian was clearly saying at Frucon- note: I may be wrong, but I know at least one other fruhead agrees b/c we have spoken a lot lately on this subject..... ok, I he was saying that this is there job, as it has been from the beginning. They are so happy that we enjoy what they do and that it has brought us together, but they do want they do and write what they write for themselves just as much,if not more, for themselves. Don't get me wrong, Its wonderful to tell them what works and what doesn't for us personaly, but don't tear 'em down. They leave there home and families and give themselves to us nightly and we can enjoy it or not Note also: that this has not come from just this thread. Do not be insulted. It is just lots of things that I have read. All I'm doing (and it may totally not be my place) is putting myself in fruvous' shoes and trying to see what this would be like for them PLEASE DON'T HATE ME! Mindy fruchild, " I AM the band" Murray 2/6/99 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:25:28 -0800 From: driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com (Stiff, Dried, Creaking Monkey) Subject: Re: If Only and new album I think that perhaps the reason Pisco sounds mainstream to some is that Nerd Rock is becoming more prevalent. We're eeeeeverywhere.... muhuhu hwahwawmuHUHAHAHAHAHA!!! Peace and Fuzzy things, Tamdakh *** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) *** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:20:31 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: Strengthen your marriage or relationship Srm9988n wrote: > > >Im sorry *shuffle shuffle sniff sniff* I just thought.. well... um... > >WAAAAAAAAA!!! I sorry!!! > > Aww, Nate, now you made our poor li'l Fruchild cry! Ya big meanie, you. Now > go make up and be nice! Alright, alright.... I'm sorry..... :) > I'm in utter agreement with Brent here ... any ng that can turn spam into humor > is worth hanging out in. amen! nate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:01:18 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: If Only and new album mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie) delighted us with: >I agree... I see no mainstream in the Fru's new songs... Pisco is definitely not mainstream-sounding to me. (Although, what do you define as mainstream? "Alternative"?) I do see, however, more.... radio-friendliness?.... in some of their new songs. "Sad Girl" is one of them. - -v, make what you will of it, discuss, tawk, i'm too braindead to write more right now. Literally. I sat there for about 5 mins staring at the screen trying to formulate my next sentence, and it just never came to be. Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "i'm not a mess. i'm a natural disaster." -norg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:26:47 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: If Only and new album 1Brian Nicholson wrote: > > >Yes absolutely. Its a shame they've resorted to mainstream sounding > songs > >like Pisco Bandito and Splatter Splatter. There are just way too many > bands > >doing this mainstream stuff. ;) > > I'm GUESSING she was refering to stuff like "Missing Her" and "I will > hold on" (which makes me think of Titanic and cringe) BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's one thing to say you don't care for the song..... I can live with that..... But to compare it to garbage like that Titanic song?!?!?! Jeeeeeeeesus!!! nate (who, incidentally, LOVES IWHO.....) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:23:20 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: If Only and new album agreed fruchild, " I AM the band" Murray 2/6/99 On 10 Mar 1999 00:38:50 GMT mocksie@aol.com (Mocksie) writes: >will > > >AAAAHHHHH!!!! Phi on you! IWHO is one of the prettiest songs I have >ever >heard EVER EVER EVER EVER!!! Blassssspheme!!! > >...and I got to tell Jian that myself, in my oh so 13-year old- >jumping around >like an idiot- and wiping the drool off my chin- state of mind Nov >(6?) when >they opened for VF... He said "aww well thank you Shannon!" > > >...sorry for the rambling, the flashback overwhelmed me... back to my >complaining... > >OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG.... >IWHO. Good. GOOD!!! ok. done now. > >-Mocksie > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:12:22 GMT From: "Jill Hufnagel" Subject: I'm new too!!! Well hey all, OK I'm pretty new to this whole internet/Email thing so bare with me. I joined a bit ago and then because of the fact that I don't have amodem for my computer at home I am forced to use the ones at my school. Now I sure there are some of you out there that understand how it is using school eqippedment. So I finally caught up with the whole news group thing and hope I can keep up in the future. I can see how it gets addicting. Well alittle about my self if anyone cares. I attend the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, although I am originally from Buffalo. I am a photography major, and if you were and the saterday night show at frucon you might have noticed me. I was the one being shunned for haveing a tripod there. But the photos turned out great for the most part hopefully I can find a way to show you all. Remember I'm just learning things. I was unable to attend anything else because of lack of money or time. I know that is probably no excuse, but if I'm ever going to get out of debt I need to watch things. I've been with the guys since the beginning, back in the Demo/indidays. My favorite album is Live Niose. My favorite song well I don't thingk that is fair or possible. Well I guess I'll start with that!!! and see how I am excepted...I hope well. As long as none of you are the ones that hate me for being a photographer. Oh, and some day I plan to Photograph for Moxy...it's been a dream of mine since...since well early on!!! *Jiel* Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:40:48 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: New Album Excitement (was Re: If Only (Re: the many configurations Carly Breden wrote: > Also, I've heard Half as Much (side note: thanks, Nate, for putting the > 2/20 show up on your webpage, much appreciated) and I think they I assume this is a different nate than me? nate (A little confused now, since he DID just put up a web page...but there's no way to hear Half as Much on it...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:45:53 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: Susan Werner and Gazebos . . . On 9 Mar 1999 22:26:56 GMT, someone who looked like BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) whispered: >Okay, so she wasn't the opener in august. Nicole, I am not new to the >frupalace, just rarely post. Today i posted a bunch, I'm one of the few >males here. Oh. Whoops. Sorry. :) So much for my good memory. - --nicole the... uh... something or other *** "If you decided to sell your happiness, for how much would you sell it?"--Moxy Fruvous Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is INCORRECT! Think of it as an intelligence test. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:46:02 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: My Poor Generation (was Re: New Album Excitement) Chad Maloney wrote: > > My Poor Generation is freaking incredible. If they record it and record > it right, it'll definitely be one of my favorites. I'd just like to snip out this part of the post to reply to, simply because I HAVE to agree. I love My Poor Generation sooooo much!!!! Even without it being on an album, recorded well, etc, it's ALREADY one of my favorite songs..... and I'm not just talkin' Früvous songs here, people. It's one of my favorites, period! ahem. :) So, I just had to express my admiration for it. nate ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 1999 02:22:59 GMT From: aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992) Subject: Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read > >Heather Anne Moore (who got over the trauma of being called HAM long ago, >so don't get any funny ideas) Hey, that's not as bad as my friend Rachel...her middle name starts with an A, and last name with a T. :-) She's good humored about it, though (you'd have to be)...and I narrowly avoided having my initals be a rather inappropriate term as well...my mother realized it at the last minute, thank goodness!! Aleigh Check it out! Check it totally out!! --> http://i.am/not_your_broom "It's fun to steal, but the day you change your ways you'll find out she's exactly the same"~Mono Puff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:56:27 GMT From: drea1@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Moxy license plate > >isn't toronto YYZ or something like that? it's in some rush song. > > That would be "YYZ" on _Moving Pictures_. Yes, the airport code for Pearson is YYZ, not sure about the Rush song though. Drea (who has been in Pearson Airport *far* too often) "You can't jump a jet plane...like you can a freight train..." - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:29:31 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Strengthen your marriage or relationship spanx Nate! fruchild, " I AM the band" Murray 2/6/99 On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 20:20:31 -0500 Nate DeRose writes: >Srm9988n wrote: >> >> >Im sorry *shuffle shuffle sniff sniff* I just thought.. well... >um... >> >WAAAAAAAAA!!! I sorry!!! >> >> Aww, Nate, now you made our poor li'l Fruchild cry! Ya big meanie, >you. Now >> go make up and be nice! > >Alright, alright.... >I'm sorry..... >:) > > >> I'm in utter agreement with Brent here ... any ng that can turn spam >into humor >> is worth hanging out in. > >amen! > >nate > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:20:42 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: New Album Excitement - My Poor Moxy Fruvous: please read >Brilliantly done. YCBTC, HAM-tehe, and Grudge just sound like they I promise I won't hate you, Fruchild! One thing I've gotta say, though. When you wrote "HAM-tehe," I looked at it and thought that that was some wierd inside joke that I didn't remember having with you. Then I realized that it couldn't be -- no one on this ng knows that my middle name is ANNE thereby making my initials "HAM." (Well, y'all do now.) So I saw that and thought, "is this meant for me?" Then, I slapped myself for all my self-centeredness. But it was quite a shock. Heather Anne Moore (who got over the trauma of being called HAM long ago, so don't get any funny ideas) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:52:07 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: OT: a little pop-culture fun... no, no, this isn't fruvous-related... i just feel that this is a worthwhile crusade, so i figured i'd publicize it as much as possible. i personally find this prospect beyond hilarious, so i urge all of you to take a second or two to visit www.mtv.com, find the TRL page, & vote. and if you feel like passing this along to whomever you feel would appreciate it before 3:30 tomorrow afternoon... well, that'd be swell, too. :) without further ado, the forward: - ---------- FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------- > >Now, to expose the plot, a nefarious scheme I've contrived to pay them >all back. The idea struck me-like a truck running into a flightless >bird who had inadvertently chosen to cross the road- while I was >watching TRL yesterday. TRL, for those of you who don't know, is the >abbreviation for the showcase of Carson Daly witticisms that is Total >Request Live on MTV (MTV itself being an abbreviation for music >television). > >Here is what we must all pull together and do: send this email to as >many people as possible. The message is simple. On March 10, 1999, >everyone who has received this email will get on-line and, before the >airing of Total Request Live, cast their vote for the New Kids on the >Block's epic music video-"Hanging Tough." it is the ultimate insult to >popular culture. (don't try to be cute and email mtv ahead of time to >"warn" them....this is an innocent joke) > > http://www.mtv.com/ > > And here is the compelling, dramatic, conclusion: I don't know if >this is original. I don't know if anyone has ever had this thought >before. You won't be cursed with bad luck and misfortune if you choose >not to pass this on. You, in turn, will not reap lifelong rewards and >benefits if you do. But you will laugh your ass off if it works. And >in that hysterical fit of laughter you will live the long fruitful >life and die the ill-fated tragic death all at the same time. >We can make this happen. > >Now the author would like to apologize for any misspellings, offensive >or politically incorrect ethnic slurs, verbosity, inappropriate word >use, and failure to convey a lucid, well-organized thought. > >Sincerely, >James Vaughan > >P.S. Be sure to include ridiculous things in your request, such as: >"Please Carson, will you play "Hangin' Tough" by the New Kids on the >Block. Danny is such a clean-cut boy, and he'll never be in trouble >with the law. Also, I think that these guys have the Right Stuff, and >they're going to be around for a long time." > >pps-mark Wed. March 10 on your calendar right now! It would be way >cool if this worked. - ---------- END FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------- DISCLAIMER: i am in no way advocating the music of NKOTB, nor do i even possess any claim to fandom. i never owned an album, or even had one of their cute little faces adorn a lunchbox or a sleeping bag. however, it's been ten years--it's time we acknowledged their contribution to the direction popular music has taken recently (ie. backstreet boys, n'sync, 98 degrees, etc etc etc). besides, it'd be darn funny. *grin* so frufans, whaddya say? a little stab at those societal powers that be? let's go for it! take care, all-- ^kat^ "i'm not sprouting wings" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:01:37 -0500 From: "^kat^" Subject: OT: a little pop-culture fun... i found this message in my inbox earlier today, and believing it to be a worthwhile crusade, figured i'd do whatever i could to publicize it before 3:30 tomorrow afternoon. this would be downright hilarious if it were to succeed, so i entreat anyone with a sense of humor to take a minute to visit www.mtv.com, find the TRL page, & fill out the form. but i'm getting ahead of myself. without further ado, the message: - ---------- FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------- > >Now, to expose the plot, a nefarious scheme I've contrived to pay them >all back. The idea struck me-like a truck running into a flightless >bird who had inadvertently chosen to cross the road- while I was >watching TRL yesterday. TRL, for those of you who don't know, is the >abbreviation for the showcase of Carson Daly witticisms that is Total >Request Live on MTV (MTV itself being an abbreviation for music >television). > >Here is what we must all pull together and do: send this email to as >many people as possible. The message is simple. On March 10, 1999, >everyone who has received this email will get on-line and, before the >airing of Total Request Live, cast their vote for the New Kids on the >Block's epic music video-"Hanging Tough." it is the ultimate insult to >popular culture. (don't try to be cute and email mtv ahead of time to >"warn" them....this is an innocent joke) > > http://www.mtv.com/ > > And here is the compelling, dramatic, conclusion: I don't know if >this is original. I don't know if anyone has ever had this thought >before. You won't be cursed with bad luck and misfortune if you choose >not to pass this on. You, in turn, will not reap lifelong rewards and >benefits if you do. But you will laugh your ass off if it works. And >in that hysterical fit of laughter you will live the long fruitful >life and die the ill-fated tragic death all at the same time. >We can make this happen. > >Now the author would like to apologize for any misspellings, offensive >or politically incorrect ethnic slurs, verbosity, inappropriate word >use, and failure to convey a lucid, well-organized thought. > >Sincerely, >James Vaughan > >P.S. Be sure to include ridiculous things in your request, such as: >"Please Carson, will you play "Hangin' Tough" by the New Kids on the >Block. Danny is such a clean-cut boy, and he'll never be in trouble >with the law. Also, I think that these guys have the Right Stuff, and >they're going to be around for a long time." > >pps-mark Wed. March 10 on your calendar right now! It would be way >cool if this worked. - ---------- END FORWARDED MESSAGE ---------- DISCLAIMER: i am not advocating in any way the music of NKOTB. i possess no claim to fandom: i never even owned an album, let alone a lunchbox or sleeping bag adorned with their smiling faces. however, i think we can all agree that seeing the disbelief on the faces of korn & britney spears fans across the nation would be worth it--not to mention the irony, considering the recent success of such clones as backstreet boys, n'sync, etc... so, frufans, whaddya say? a little stab at the societal powers that be? i say let's go for it! :) take care-- ^kat^ "well, you broke my youngest daughter's heart-- i knew you kids were trouble from the start" http://fly.to/the.midway.after.dark ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #249 ********************************************