From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #231 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, March 5 1999 Volume 03 : Number 231 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: for carly with love [tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers)] Re: Mindy reads the quotes- halloween [tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Saly] jon stewart and the daily show.... [SkyStar117@aol.com] The Phish/Yemeny thing.....my 2cents [SkyStar117@aol.com] Re: Yemen ["KatieWow" ] Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... ["KatieWow" ] Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... [Nate DeRose ] Unrelated stuff on new state mottoes (quite funny) [Mitchell Harding ] Grreetings from Finland! ["RVAF GROUP Oy Sales Debt. Finland" ] WHO TOOK THE SHERYL/PHIL PICTURE?!? [Frumanchu ] Re: i'm new [Chad Maloney ] Re: musician unknown [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... [SkyStar117@aol.com] Re: Arabic writing...Beware! ["A.J. LoCicero" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:17:51 -0700 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: for carly with love In article <7bmi9l$pet$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, hKatherine@ehmail.com (hKath) says... > Remember her? Did anyone else here ever eat Strawberry Shortcake breakfast > cereal? It turned the milk all pink... Gads, that was yummy. No...although I did eat Blueberry Waffle-Os--which, by the way, burn really really well. - -- Tom Was very bored as a child ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:12:36 -0700 From: tsalyers@dimensional.com (Tom Salyers) Subject: Re: Mindy reads the quotes- halloween In article <7blhug$th4$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, aadler1@tiger.towson.edu (Anna!) says... > But regardless, I was still noticing how often children get crushes on cartoons. Erm...you're supposed to *outgrow* those? Uh oh. - -- Tom Velma rocks my world mightily ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 05:23:24 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: jon stewart and the daily show.... first someone said that~~<<" the 'daily show with jon stewart', mind you. ;)">> then sarah said this:<> now it's my turn~~>hell yeah! he *is* the daily show...and he's *just that cool*...but what's up w/ all the jew jokes?? just b/c he's one of us doesnt give him the right to further permeate all of the stale and (dangerous for that matter.....it's been like, 50 years since the HOLOCAUST...remember that?? 6 million.....6 _MILLION_......sigh, i digress) stereotypes and jokes on national televison! maybe he doesnt realize the position of power that he's in right now, but i do and it frightens me that he would go on tv and say what he said that night with the Jew-Hate-O-Meter in jordan..... the tensions are high enough between muslims and jews in the middle east right now w/o further instigating the situation! it just confuses me...he's so funny that he doesnt need to play up the jew factor any more than he needs to tell another Monica joke....i'm tired of both of them and neither say anything good about the way that our country is thinking these days....i dont know, im babbling now.....but i hope someone agrees with me and can articulate what im having trouble saying *=-deb-=* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 05:31:29 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: The Phish/Yemeny thing.....my 2cents oy vey peoples! look @ what i started.... Yemen from a crazy Phish song...i dunno guys, i think i need to stop regurgitating all of these lyrics into my keyboard....these messes that i start...oy.. now for my 2 cents..... to be completely honest, ive never had much experience debating american/arab domestic policy. my reading has been limited to excerpts from the koran in my freshman global studies class....and i hope to study more of it in the upcoming weeks of my current comparitive religions class.....but other than that and reading Princess(which both frightened me and made me question it's truthfulness) in 8th grade, i dont have much background in this topic. but i do know that this prejudice is prevalent all across the country and that it's one of the last socially acceptable racial fears...i can say this b/c the proof is right here to back me up. look at hollywood. look at the daily show, or lots of tv for that matter. look at that paper from dc the other day, the fear that the WTC bombing left behind has morphed into something altogether deeper andd more frightening.... we need to wake up and smell the cat food(couldnt help it) we're all just people. we're all _just people_. but nobody is listening. and we're all still afraid of our own shadows...these things that people fear are not dangerous....we're more threatening than they are .....and still we're shooting at kittens and blowing up dollhouses....what's the point???? nobody knows.... *=-deb-=* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:43:17 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Yemen ooh! ooh! OBX means "outer banks"--like north carolina. i love it when i actually know one! ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:50:45 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... i'm slrry--the entire daily show outfit went straight down the crapper with the departure of craig kilborn. then again, it had been getting increasingly less funny (is that a valid comparative :)?) in recent months. they stopped doing a lot of my favorite stuff (the music video analyses) and all my favorite reporters left. there was still the attraction of craig, but even he lost his luster after a while. *sigh* the memories of sitting around the kitchen table with my friends eating french fries and coaching the original star trek's scotty (forgive me for forgetting the actor's real name) through five questions will have to suffice. ~~kate craig: "complete this song lyric: she's a super freak, super freak . . . " scotty: (looks dumbfounded) us: "'she's superfreaky'!!!! 'she's superfreaky!!!'" scotty: "uhh . . . " us: "come on!!! you could repair the enterprise's transporter with a gum wrapper but you can't complete a freakin' rick james song lyric?" me: "i've lost all faith in the power of mr. scott." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 02:24:41 -0500 From: Nate DeRose Subject: Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... SkyStar117@aol.com wrote: > > first someone said that~~<<" the 'daily show with jon stewart', mind you. > ;)">> Ugh..... Jon Steward...... the man who single-handedly ruined the Daily Show. :( We miss you Craig!!!!! nate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:11:02 -0500 From: "Bell-occhio" Subject: Re: Music Heather wrote: >Lace the troublemaker wrote: I'm trying to work my way up (down?) to degenerate. >Why do you suppose that all the songs that Steve Poltz helped Jewel write are the ones that >are popular? CAUSE HE RULES! Jewel = Bad. Steve = Good. Preaching to the choir. :) >I will say this for her: That girl can YODEL! ..... [read: if she's yodeling than we don't have to listen >to her sorry excuse for lyrics.] All this time ridiculing her and you nearly go and say something nice. I'm so downhearted. >>Their cover of "Sesame Street" ... >THIS I need to hear. http://www.tunes.com/tunes-cgi2/tunes/release/121895/1/4 Track 6. We aim to please. Lace the troublemaker (you do realise I take that as a compliment don't you?) ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ bellocchio at folkfan.com ICQ 218859 http://i.am/her_webpage "And *do* you heart Canadian Boys?" - -Ed Robertson 7/22/98 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:53:20 GMT From: Mitchell Harding Subject: Unrelated stuff on new state mottoes (quite funny) Three things: 1) I apologize for posting this to the list, but it really is quite funny. 2) For best effect, read the end first, then the beginning, then the middle. 3) I didn't make these up myself, unfortunately. >NEW STATE MOTTOS... >Alabama: At Least We're not Mississippi >Alaska: 11,623 Eskimos Can't be Wrong! >Arizona: But It's a Dry Heat! >Arkansas: Litterasy Ain't Everthing >California: As Seen on TV >Colorado: If You Don't Ski, Don't Bother >Connecticut: Like Massachusetts, Only Dirtier and With Less Character >Delaware: We Really Do Like the Chemicals in our Water >Florida: Ask Us About Our Grandkids >Georgia: We Put the "Fun" in Fundamentalist Extremism >Hawaii: Haka Tiki Mou Sha'ami Leeki Toru (Death to Mainland Scum, But Leave Your Money) >Idaho: More Than Just Potatoes... Well Okay, We're Not, But The Potatoes Are Real Good >Illinois: Please Don't Pronounce the "S" >Indiana: 2 Billion Years Tidal Wave Free >Iowa: We Do Amazing Things With Corn >Kansas: First Of The Rectangle States >Kentucky: Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names >Louisiana: We're Not All Drunk Cajun Wackos, But That's Our Tourism Campaign >Maine: We're Really Cold, But We Have Cheap Lobster >Maryland: A Thinking Man's Delaware >Massachusetts: Our Taxes Are Lower Than Sweden's (For Most Tax Brackets) >Michigan: First Line of Defense From the Canadians >Minnesota: 10,000 Lakes and 10,000,000 Mosquitoes >Mississippi: Come Feel Better About Your Own State >Missouri: Your Federal Flood Relief Tax Dollars at Work >Montana: Land of the Big Sky, the Unabomber, Right-Wing Crazies, and Very Little Else >Nebraska: Ask About Our State Motto Contest >Nevada: Whores and Poker! >New Hampshire: Go Away and Leave Us Alone >New Jersey: You Want a ##$%##! Motto? I Got Yer ##$%##!Motto Right Here! >New Mexico: Lizards Make Excellent Pets >New York: You Have the Right to Remain Silent, You Have the Right to an Attorney . . . >North Carolina: Tobacco is a Vegetable >North Dakota: We Really are One of the 50 States! >Ohio: We Wish We Were In Michigan >Oklahoma: Like the Play, Only No Singing >Oregon: Spotted Owl... It's What's For Dinner >Pennsylvania: Cook With Coal >Rhode Island: We're Not REALLY An Island >South Carolina: Remember the Civil War? We Didn't Actually Surrender >South Dakota: Closer Than North Dakota >Tennessee: The Educashun State >Texas: Si Hablo Ingles (Yes, I speak English) >Utah: Our Jesus Is Better Than Your Jesus >Vermont: Yep >Virginia: Who Says Government Stiffs and Slackjaw Yokels Don't Mix? >Washington: Help! We're Overrun By Nerds and Slackers! >Washington, D.C.: Wanna Be Mayor? >West Virginia: One Big Happy Family-Really! >Wisconsin: Come Cut Our Cheese >Wyoming: Wynot? Harf, Mitch http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~mitcharf/index.html "Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame." - Benjamin Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:56:48 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: FruCon 2 IRC Richard Butterworth a load of rubbish as usual: > Check out actually. Sorreeeee! Tinkerty tonk Richard - ----------------------------------------- Salt fare North Sea weird stare further than the eye can see he had a head like a toy shop --`Some old salty'. Trad English song. - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:52:48 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: FruCon 2 IRC Matt James wrote: > I know where Ft. Meade is, but where are Bletchly Park (what > a lovely name!) and Mentwith Hill? I don't think those are > anywhere near Columbia..? Bletchly Park is the name of a stately home that was used in the second world war as the British code breaking centre. They successfully broke the `Enigma' codes which the German's used to encrypt messages. In particular they completely undermined the German U-boat wolf packs which were sinking supply ships in the Atlantic. Without the supply ships getting through Britain would have possibly (probably?) been starved into surrender by 1941. Bletchly Park also produced the first ever programmable computer to help breaking the codes, though because it was classed as a military secret this wasn't pubicly acknowledged until the 1970s. One of the main figures at Bletchley was Alan Turing, one of the foremost mathematical geniuses of this century. He was later persecuted for his homosexuality, committed suicide in the early 1950s and is only recently being widely recognised for the phenomenal contribution he made to 20th century mathematics and computer science. He also allows me the great pleasure of pointing out to sundry bigots and homophobes that we would probably have lost the second world war if it wasn't for a communist homosexual academic. His biography `Enigma' by Andrew Hodges is well worth a read. Mentwith Hill is a US intelligence base in the Yorkshire Dales that was recently targetted by Mark Thomas; a British comedian very much in the Micheal Moore mould. The base was set up as a listening post during the cold war, but exactly what it does now is rather a closely guarded secret (`probably listening out for anti-American behaviour -- people who don't eat in McDonalds, that sort of thing'). He discovered that there is no flight restrictions over the base and therefore is setting up a tourist attraction balloon flight company over it. Check out -- really, check it out, incredibly funny. Also Mark Thomas's site at Tinkerty tonk Richard - ----------------------------------------- Salt fare North Sea weird stare further than the eye can see he had a head like a toy shop --`Some old salty'. Trad English song. - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 06:52:40 -0800 From: "JEREMY S KIRSH" Subject: try it u might like it Hi all,This is Jeremy again there hasnt been that big of a response to this yet but i'll keep trying to get it on its feet..... For those who dont know I run the BNL chatter board.... Being a big MoxyFruvous fan i figured it would be a good idea to start a Moxy chatter....The BNL chatter is doing great with about 2500 posts a week.... It is not a chat room..... You can go there and post things about the band,...ask and answer questions and meet alot of other Moxy fans....It's alot of fun....It is similar to an ng only far superior.It is much easier to follow than an ng and you dont have to wade through tons of messages just to find the responses to yours. please forgive me if there is one already set up.... I'll see if there is a big response or not and if there is I will keep it up...If not I'll keep it up anyways...... You can go to it at >http://boards.eesite.com/board.cgi?boardset=moxyfruv > >cyas >-jer >ps go to the misc section and let me know what you think. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 13:47:11 +0200 From: "RVAF GROUP Oy Sales Debt. Finland" Subject: Grreetings from Finland! Seasonally Greetings from Finland! Please visit on my homesite URL is http://www.wakkanet.fi/~edward/english.htm I am proudly willing to say thanks to everyone cause in fall and during year 2001 I would celebrate my 30 years old anniversarity DJ career by releasing a tour dates avaiable for worldwide touring... Of course mostly it seems to be done in Scandinavia and Europe but I use to think always:" No Limits!" LOL Have A Nice Day and feel free to contact me at any time You like to do it, The DJ. EDWARD Master Of Ceremony (MC) ... is professional and personality attituded with a great sense of humour added discjockey / MC. ... is born in Finland 1955, single male, a member Of ADJA, Hall Of the Fame DJ CLub Finland (HFDJ), Finnish Disco Chat Team (FDCT), Disco Mix Club (DMC) International The ShowMaster DJ Of Finland 1977-86 etc... ... found as discjockey professional since 1971 -and still kicking good! Mirabilis ICQ # 19149675 TEL +358 208 339 273 FAX +358 208 339 273 edward@wakkanet.fi Keep On JOckin...! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 12:15:55 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Arabic writing...Beware! "KatieWow" delighted us with: >why americans >choose to target middle-eastern cultures is beyond me; at least we've kind >of started to lay off of russia. The latter may be the cause of the former. At least one cultural scapegoat needed at any one time. If it's not the British, it's the Africans (later Afro-Americans). If it's not the Japanese-Americans, it is Russians. If it's not Russians, it's people from the Middle East. Etc. Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "[Our dog] gives birth every three years, like clockwork, to puppies that look like a hybrid between a stray and a crocodile." -from Anton Chekhov's correspondence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:36:26 -0500 From: Thomas Fazzio Subject: Re: Tory Cassis and DeGrassi Junior High? Gorbitron wrote: > "In a startling development, the Tory Cassis who starred in DeGrassi Junior > High was found living under a bridge with Peter Criss, formerly of the band > Kiss. Upon learning of this, the gentleman performing the club scene in > Toronto as Tory Cassis issued the following statement: > > "My name is Stuart Goldstein." To which he added, "because I'm good enough, and I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me!" later, tom. Thomas Fazzio Operations & Personnel Manager WCKN TV-30 fazziote@clarkson.edu http://www.clarkson.edu/~fazziote ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 1999 13:13:00 GMT From: remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat) Subject: Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... >> first someone said that~~<<" the 'daily show with jon stewart', mind you. >> ;)">> wow....i think it's actually pretty damn funny. i don't know...it's just completely different from when craig did it...i like ie. love, mandy the 80's girl... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ j.a. m.s. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:38:49 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: Yemen KatieWow wrote: > > yeah--but yemen's not in europe. it borders saudi arabia; and you only ever > hear about the place in time of oil problems. it just didn't seem to fit > in. the revelation about the phish reference made it all clear :). Well, there was that one Friends episode where Chandler flew to Yemen because he didn't want to break up with Janice. Memorable moments: "Hi, I'd like a fake ticket to Yemen" "One ticket to Yemen? That will be $1200" "No, just a fake ticket. Like the kind you give children to play with." "Can I stay with you when we get to Yemen?" - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:54:44 GMT From: Frumanchu Subject: WHO TOOK THE SHERYL/PHIL PICTURE?!? Sheryl and I had someone take a picture of us at the convention. It was set up to be the same as a picture that a friend took of us at the last convention. It's kinda important to both of us. Neither of us can remember who we had take the picture though:( If you took the picture or know who did, PLEASE email one of us or post and let us know. We'd both really like to see it:) - -Phil "His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of morbid curiosity." --Actual quote from Federal employee performance evaluations - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:42:54 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: i'm new Heather wrote: > > Chad Maloney wrote: > > Anyways, welcome to alt.music.moxy-fruvous, Heather! Glad you happened in. > > thank you! i can't say that i'll be able to post a lot but i'll lurk. Eh, good enough. We got enough posts anyway. But don't be scared to stick in your word whenever you want!! > > Wow! Great. Which Lee's Palace show did you see? > > the friday one. Ah, the show permeated with plenty of new songs. A very enjoyable set. Glad you could make it to the show and hope you weren't freaked out by the crazy fans *g* I would guess not since you joined the newsgroup, or more appropriately Breeding Grounds for the Crazy Fans. > > What were #1 and #2? > > alt.fan.admiral-twin and alt.fan.happyman > > i've weird music tastes. Never heard of either. What are they like? - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:30:14 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: musician unknown Angel said (after a whole bunch of talk which I apparently missed): >ya... I never got to see the original Jellyfish lineup... probably wasn't even >old enough to sneak into the places they were playing... AAAAUUUGGGH!!!! I'm flabbergasted. Jellyfish fans. Could the world be more complete? (Heather sighs a contented sigh) >and I dig on the Imperial Drag CD coz I really like Roger & Eric. Really? My brother and I (he's the one who's REALLY into Jellyfish, but I dig 'em lots too) aren't as impressed with Imperial Drag. Though, here's a thing that may interest you. There's this WONDERFUL song on the "Say Anything..." soundtrack. It's by Freiheit, and the song's called "Keeping the Dream Alive." It's TRES Jellyfishian (in fact, we thought it WAS them for a while, but sadly...no). You might really enjoy it. >Went with mom to a Jellyfish in-store where >Roger was wearing something that occasionally bared his midriff- mom >refers to him as "fuzzy navel." How apropos. An album called "Bellybutton" by a guy called "Fuzzy Navel." : ) Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:37:35 GMT From: SkyStar117@aol.com Subject: Re: jon stewart and the daily show.... she sent this to me privately but im posting it b/c im not sure y'all get what im saying here:....I'm Jewish too! it doesnt mean that it's ok for me to go around perpetrating outdated fallacies about my culture and heritage just for laughs... we as a people have been though enough crap already and to have him spreading more stereotypes and the like to a bunch of middle americans who still think that Jews have horns is just silly unproffesional and immature. that's all i was trying to say(and by "middle americans" i mean people as a group who hold a 1950's macarthian "lets get all the commies and jews and japs"kind of attitude...not that you are one if you live in Ka or Mo or whatever...)...anyway, this is what christine sent me...and ive seen his hbo special too....it doesnt mean anything..he makes fun of a whole bunch of different racial ethnicities in that sketch...sigh *=-deb-=* << Hi deb. Not that I'm siding with Jon Stewart or saying that he's right, but I've seen his comedy specials on HBO and him guest starring Dr. Katz, and isn't he jewish? He makes jokes about his religion and ppl etc. on his specials. Howie Mandel does it in his comedy routines (showtime specials) and Richard Jeni does a whole routine about being catholic and being in church (on his HBO special). So, that's prolly why he does all those jokes. *shrugs* Christine. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:27:04 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Arabic writing...Beware! I've been reading this thread with interest. Living in Dearborn, MI (highest concentration of Arabic speaking people outside the middle east here) this is an issue that is very important to me. It is shameful the type of culturism that is directed at middle easterners in this country, but frankly I see a distinct parallel with the type of institutional racism and prejudice that we had during the second world war towards the Germans and Japanese. Basically what we have here is a war mentality. We perceive a threat coming from middle eastern nations and so we demonize those cultures to make it easier to justify dropping bombs on their heads. In W.W.II the government actively encouraged this kind of thinking, deeming it necessary for the war effort. Perhaps they don't go quite to the point of active support in this case, but certainly there is tacit approval of this kind of thinking. It is funny how many people fall for the logical fallacy: Many terrorists are Arabs therefore many Arabs must be terrorists. (same fallacy as many criminals are black, therefore many blacks must be criminals.) It makes you wonder how people passed Geometry in high school when they don't understand basic logic. Sheesh! KatieWow wrote: > > i think sometimes i'm a little too over-sensitive to racial prejudice. my > dad recently dug up an old reel-to-reel james bond-esque movie he made in > college Um Last time I looked ALL film was reel-to-reel. You guys are scaring me that you think of a video tape as a movie. Oy do I feel old. > granted, the movie > was made in the early-mid seventies when the conflict with iran was just > beginning Um actually no. That is not right. There was NO conflict with Iran in the early to mid 1970's. The Shah was in power. He was our boy. Iran (Like Lebanon) was a playground for the rich and famous. Troubles with Iran didn't start until the Shah was driven from power in--I think it was '79--by Khomeni. (Not sure of the spelling there.) > and the oil crisis was surfacing, and he was fairly young First oil crisis was 1973. I remember it very well. Prices doubled overnight. That was kind of a different story from terrorism. That was a legitimate economic and political action by governments in response to Israel's actions and US support thereof. I'm not saying that it was right. It sure pissed me off royally even at age 9, but the feeling was different than today. We were angry and hurt at the Opec nations, but it wasn't like now where there was a stereotype of Arabs are all terrorists. (That was there thanks to the PLO etc. but not as strong as it is today). The stereotype in your dad's film (if indeed it was made in the EARLY 70's) is probably more along the lines of what you see in old cartoons about Native Americans, or Arabs or anybody who isn't white American. It is still a racist stereotype, but I think it is more based on basic cultural differences than a perception that Arabs are all terrorists. > jon stewart proceeded to put up a map of the middle east and > label various countries with things like "crazy people who hate us" and > "crazy people who pretend they hate us." i turned it off. why americans > choose to target middle-eastern cultures is beyond me; Because some of those governments have chosen to target us, and we aren't very good at distinguishing between governments and people, or between different countries with similar ethnic makeups. Of course the sense of Arab solidarity doesn't help that. It is the Arabs themselves who point out their cultural similarities across nations. What our problem is is that we only pay attention to that, while ignoring the many huge differences between say Iraq and Jordan or Egypt. We used to do the same thing in eastern europe. It was all just an extension of Russia to us. at least we've kind > of started to lay off of russia. i don't think i've seen a commercial for a > "kill the commies" video game in quite a while. Well there aren't that many Commies left to kill anymore. "That is why it is now Kill the Arabs!" - -- "Whenever any American's life is taken by another unneccessarily - whether it is done in the name of the law or in defiance of law,...In an attack of violence or in response to violence - the whole nation is degraded." - --Robert Kennedy _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #231 ********************************************