From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #149 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, February 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 9:30 Club Review (probably long) [jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K.] Re: Philly and stuff.... [Mindy J Munson ] 4 hours and counting! [cookie ] Re: Weird Al & Moxy Fruvous [cookie ] miilions of dollars [Joshua Doell Drury ] Re: Musical theatre and license plates (was Philly stuff) [Joshua Doell D] Re: capital punishment [cookie ] Re: New, but not really.... [Rachael Rosenthal ] Re: Interviews at Colleges [affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affanna] Re: Smarties [Mindy J Munson ] Re: Interviews at Colleges [affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affanna] Re: New, but not really.... [Eve Lauria ] Re: New spring dates [Chewbacca ] Re: capital punishment [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] WAITING FOR BOB!!!!! *ROTFL* [Molly Doyle ] Re: New spring dates ["Zainab" ] Re: Philly City Paper Troc Piece [Chewbacca ] Re: what we want on next album [aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992)] Re: Musical theatre and license plates (was Philly stuff) ["KatieWow" ] Re: WAITING FOR BOB!!!!! *ROTFL* [Mindy J Munson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Feb 1999 20:20:45 GMT From: jimcclur@ews.uiuc.edu (Jordan I. K. McClure) Subject: Re: 9:30 Club Review (probably long) Chad Maloney (opercmm@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu) wrote: : : I think I'm sold on this song as an end-of-the-set-driving-toward-the-finish : song (did I use those hyphens right?) Yes. - -- Fnord. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:11:43 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Philly and stuff.... >into the woods: >murray--rapunzel's prince or jack >jian--cinderella's prince/wolf >dave--narrator >mike--mysterious old man (we'd have to split the part--but that's okay one of my absolute favorite musicals! fruchild "I AM the band" -Murray (2/6/99) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:18:52 -0800 From: cookie Subject: 4 hours and counting! It's been a while since I've checked this newsgroup, so I decided to catch up today while I procrastinated doing my laundry. I figured it would take an hour or less. Well, it's been 4 HOURS since I started reading and I finally am current. (There were over 200 posts, and I read them all.) You people really shouldn't be so darn entertaining! I know this is a rather unusual request, but could you all stop posting such interesting reviews and commentary stuff for a few hours, so I can tear myself away from this dang computer and get some of my chores done? Thanks! I'd really appreciate it. ;-) Cookie respond to: cookie@2cowherd.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:14:57 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: Weird Al & Moxy Fruvous LimeZinger wrote: > > >Check this out. :-) > > > >http://www.weirdal.com/almoxy.htm > > > >-Adam > > > > adam, you're such a dork. ;) > > oh dear god, was that INTENDED to look like a backstreet boys pose?! > > sarah I guess I'm an even bigger dork than Adam, since I'm the one who TOOK the photo. I don't know what the guys were thinking when they arranged themselves thusly, however, they DO look like they should be all wearing matching outfits, now that you mention it. I turned Al on to Moxy a few years ago, and I can assure you he's a big fan of theirs (as they seem to be of his.) FYI, there's been a bit of a buzz about Moxy on alt.music.weird-al since the photo was posted. Cool, eh? Cookie respond to: cookie@2cowherd.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:53:27 -0600 From: Joshua Doell Drury Subject: miilions of dollars > Further on this thread, I just remembered another line from that song I`ve been trying to identify, `Nothing Rhymes with Saskatchewan`: (the song was to the same three chords as the BNL hit) `If I had a million dollars... (hey, you can`t copywrite a chord progression) ...I could give everyone in Saskatchewan a dollar, and still have about $12 left for myself.` It din`t really rhyme, or even keep the beat, but it was funny. And true! Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:47:07 -0600 From: Joshua Doell Drury Subject: Re: Musical theatre and license plates (was Philly stuff) KatieWow wrote: > grr. i know how you feel chad. as a big MYSD fan, my friends whine and beg > for gordon all the time. screw 'em, says i. i'll take "great provider" > over "$1 million" any day. not that gordon's not great (i _adore_ "blame it > on me"). > ~~kate Gordon is a solid album, with so many great tracks it would be well worth having without If I Had $1000000. One of the albums that every household should have. Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:08:44 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: capital punishment Here's a couple of my thoughts on this intriguing argument: Richard Butterworth wrote: > If we had the death penalty here the > Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4 would have almost certainly been hung. > And they're innocent, as innocent as you or me. True, but you're also talking about victims of a civil war. Every war has its heros (if they're still alive,) and its martyrs (if they were killed,) as well as its bad guys. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying capital punishment is right, I'm just saying that war criminals are in a bit of a different category than, say, Charles Manson. > To me any one of these arguments is reason enough to refute any argument > in favour of state sanctioned killing. There are of course, many more > subjective arguments pro and anti the death penalty. I've tried to > contain myself to objective anti reasons. If there are objective pro > reasosns I'd be interested to hear them. Ironically, I think one of the strongest arguments for people supporting the death penalty is Biblical. (Death in the name of the God of love!) There are several passages that say (paraphrasing, since my Grandmother isn't here to point me to the exact scriptures,) that when someone commits murder, you should put them to death...and eye for an eye...etc. And let's face it, there really isn't as much of a separation of the Christian Church and State in this country as I would like there to be. Heck, the Senate opened the impeachment deliberations with a PRAYER, for crying out loud. > > If you argue that economic > > concerns should not be taken into account when considering capital > > punishment, you are ignoring the sad truth that money does rule the > > Western (and increasingly Eastern) world, and there is no escape from > > that. > > I have to admit that the first time I heard an economic argument for the > death penalty was on ammf and it made my blood run absolutely cold. > Justice should be totally impartial; *especially* to economics. The fact > that the Western world is obsessed with the profit motive should not be > used as an excuse for even more amorality. I have to agree with you, Richard. I really don't think the economic reason is a valid one for capital punishment. I think it's a bit of a stretch, and every time I've heard that argument, it generally is dropped pretty quickly, because the party who brings it up is just trying to find as many reasons as possible to justify their beliefs. The fact is, that person would believe in capital punishment whether or not it is economically sound. As for my own personal beliefs, I have to admit I'm sitting on the fence. I don't believe that ANY person has the right to decide the fate of another person (the live and let live argument,) yet people like Charles Manson and the Hillside Strangler are still around after brutally and randomly murdering dozens of people. (One victim of the Hillside Strangler was my friend's cousin. She and her friend were raped, murdered and mulitated. One was found with an eye missing; the other a breast. They still don't know if the mutilations occurred before or after death. They were both only 14 years old.) It's also not like the murderers' current punishment of life imprisonment is so terrible considering their crimes. Charles Manson has a web page, for God's sake! What about justice for the victims? Therefore, I have to ask myself...if I was in the jury of either one of their trials, would I be able to look at that person sitting across the room from me and make the decision to put them to death? I honestly don't know. I think I probably could, and that disturbs me greatly. > I can feel a free-form jazz rant coming on so I'll stop now. Ditto. > Tinkerty tonk > Richard Thanks for the interesting thoughts, Richard! Cookie respond to: cookie@2cowherd.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:03:43 -0500 From: Rachael Rosenthal Subject: Re: New, but not really.... I dunno personally I'd take Artex over Atreu any day.... but that is just my odd personal opinion.... :-) Rachael ALeigh992 wrote: > >no. is was bastian. no 'se'. it's the same in the book. and atreyu was > >beautiful. > >love, mandy the 80's girl... > ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 21:06:37 GMT From: affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affannato) Subject: Re: Interviews at Colleges Oh, yeah, and did I mention that I am getting in touch with our Planning and Events Commission to get Fruvous to play here, possibly for our big Spring Fling concert? YAY PENN! - --->Kelly Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: : Kate said: : > have you : > thought of penn? you'll need a bullet-proof vest, but it's a great school : > with a kick-ass atmosphere. expensive, yes. : HeyHEy! No fair Kate! : I never went to Penn (a Villanova brat, myself) but University City is just : NOT that bad. I know; I live 3 miles away. Yes, there are incidents, and : some have been highly publicized. Yes, it's a highly urban neighborhood, : and sometimes walking around alone at 2 a.m. is not the most prudent : thing one can do, whether one is male or female. But there are common : sense issues at work as well -- and the Penn campus and immediate : neighborhood are a lot safer than those of some other urban schools : (think New York. Think Washington DC. Think Chicago.) Penn is a : top-flight Ivy League university with tons of cultural and social resources, : linked by public transit or within walking distance of anything you'd want : to do in Philly. Many of those things you'd want to do are on the Penn : Campus itself -- everything from sports to the Banff Film Festival tour. : Don't let fear of crime keep you away from one of the best universities in : the world -- more bucolic campuses are hardly crime-free either. : Kelly, do you want to hop in here? : -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:21:49 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Smarties if I can get to a wegmans before I go to Frucon I will get mass quantities of smarties (American). YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! I AM DEFINITELY GOING!!! My bday tix were airplane tix!!! Rock on, family, rock on! another thing: did anyone else take interest in that reviewing about Moxy for that on-line magazine? I hope to follow Moxy after the 4th of July for the summer. If I could that would rock plus I could help out that mag. last thing: Anyone who saw me at DC, look for someone different at Frucon. My friend refuses to let me grow out my hair, so it is getting hacked to the ultimate pixie/Winona cut. Then she wants to have fun with it (ie blond tips [my hair is almost black]). I think shes gonna do it to me today so we will see Fruchild, pouting 'cause Jian and Murray liked my hair ;+) On 12 Feb 1999 19:15:37 GMT Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> writes: >Send me an address, and I'll send you a box of Smarties. > >:) Veronica (who feels it only right that the world's geatest candy >should >be shared. Just not my box.) > >-- >************************************************************************ *** > "Never look at the trombones, | Veronica Gruneberg > it only encourages them." | Dept. of Biology > - Richard Strauss | Queen's University > | Kingston, Ontario > "I AM the band" -Murray (2/6/99) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 21:04:56 GMT From: affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affannato) Subject: Re: Interviews at Colleges Penn is just fine. Believe me, I am a native Philadelphian, plus I lived at 40th Street (read: "the bad section of campus and beyond") all last summer. Common sense is a must - seriously, but it's that way everywhere. The VAST majority of campus crime is nonviolent, and those few nasty instances that do occur are usually because of things unrelated to the university or its students. That being said, Penn is a wonderful place, great in so many areas, and a fun place to be. Oh, and we just HAPPEN to be #6 in the country, possibly the world... Meow; Kelly Silver7 on mirc Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: : Kate said: : > have you : > thought of penn? you'll need a bullet-proof vest, but it's a great school : > with a kick-ass atmosphere. expensive, yes. : HeyHEy! No fair Kate! : I never went to Penn (a Villanova brat, myself) but University City is just : NOT that bad. I know; I live 3 miles away. Yes, there are incidents, and : some have been highly publicized. Yes, it's a highly urban neighborhood, : and sometimes walking around alone at 2 a.m. is not the most prudent : thing one can do, whether one is male or female. But there are common : sense issues at work as well -- and the Penn campus and immediate : neighborhood are a lot safer than those of some other urban schools : (think New York. Think Washington DC. Think Chicago.) Penn is a : top-flight Ivy League university with tons of cultural and social resources, : linked by public transit or within walking distance of anything you'd want : to do in Philly. Many of those things you'd want to do are on the Penn : Campus itself -- everything from sports to the Banff Film Festival tour. : Don't let fear of crime keep you away from one of the best universities in : the world -- more bucolic campuses are hardly crime-free either. : Kelly, do you want to hop in here? : -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:06:38 GMT From: Eve Lauria Subject: Re: New, but not really.... Hmm...if you read the book Artex isn't nearly as noble. But he makes more sense that way if you think about it. And he's still cool; in the book he talks. But then everything talks in Fantastica (and that is the name of the country in the book; they changed it for the movie. I don't know why.). Of course, you can't have a real horse talking. That is of course unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed. Eve On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Rachael Rosenthal wrote: > I dunno personally I'd take Artex over Atreu any day.... but that is just my odd > personal opinion.... :-) > > Rachael > > ALeigh992 wrote: > > > >no. is was bastian. no 'se'. it's the same in the book. and atreyu was > > >beautiful. > > >love, mandy the 80's girl... > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:02:57 -0600 From: Chewbacca Subject: Re: New spring dates June 18-19 and spending the next 10 days in > Ohio-Michigan-Chicago-Indiana on the baseball beat so how awesome OK -- how many of us are Amusement Park geeks? Jason and I are hoping to drive up to MI in late June to collect bday presents and general stuff that I still have (hopefully) at my parents' house -- he's never seen my home state in the summer months, and it's also a perfect opportunity to teach him how to drive the pontoon boat. Alas, we were also planning to do a day at Cedar Point in OH -- anyone want to try planning a meeting there? Our dates are flexible... I Just want to be there before July 4th.... and I may be able to swing up to 10 free tickets for the day, with proper warning. Arabel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:52:13 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: capital punishment eep! I really should be doing work. But I feel that there've been misunderstandings, and being the long-winded slacker that I am, here's another one. A.J. says: >In a vacuum, if you were to accept the notion that any one or any >government has the fundamental right to decide the life or death of >another (which I profoundly and nearly violently do not), then you would >be right that each case is different and should be considered on its own >merits. > >HOWEVER, we don't live in a vacuum, I don't understand what this has to do with living in a vacuum. I was never talking about *governments*, and I was never talking about *fundamental* rights. All I said (in over 150 lines, yes) was that I don't believe all the cases in which people *may* deserve capital punishment are similar enough for there to be just one solution. >The risk of martyrdom is very real. I don't think martyrdom, and Waco-like instances, have anything to do with capital punishment laws. They have to do more with people's faith/beliefs, and they will continue to happen just like they have happened for many years. (Case in point: in Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose, a monk sets a monastery on fire, in order to protect himself and other monks from his order and burn compromising papers. He, and several others, die in the process. Fiction? Yes. Have similar things happened? Yes.) >The risk to those who are innocent is totally unacceptable. Which is why I said, repeatedly, that if there is ANY doubt as to whether a person is guilty of crimes heinous enough to be executed, they should NOT be executed. Still risky? Yes, and so is driving. > Certainly it is true that we in the >US have been racheting up penalties higher and higher for the past 30 >years at least in an attept to stop crime, but all we have achieved is >the highest perecentage of people in prison in the world. I don't know what world statistics are, of imprisoned people. But why would you tie the world's prison problems in with what U.S. is attempting to do? >Vika, you made reference to factors in the real world, money, blood >lust, etc. Given the real world factors I've mentioned above, how can >you support any capital punishment laws? I do not support any capital punishment *laws*. I don't even know what laws exist. I was not arguing the legality of anything. All I said was that I can't in good conscience say I am pro- or anti- across the board, because I believe cases of this grave a nature should be considered one by one. >Dictators, on the other hand, rarely ever die at government hands. >Either they get old and die, or they are murdered by someone (usually a >political opponant). Or they get put in prison, as is the case with Napoleon, Mussolini and Hitler. If a Hitler (hypothetical situation) was put into a U.S. prison, I would personally refuse to pay taxes, probably would go so far as to move out of the jurisdiction of this country. On the other hand, part of me doesn't mind that Timothy McVeigh is kept in prison using My Tax Dollars. It's not an economic issue; it's one of beliefs. Vika Zafrin, vika at ibm dot net "[Our dog] gives birth every three years, like clockwork, to puppies that look like a hybrid between a stray and a crocodile." -from Anton Chekhov's correspondence ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:25:52 -0600 From: Molly Doyle Subject: WAITING FOR BOB!!!!! *ROTFL* Doug 'n Kat, you are absolutely the BEST!!!!!!!! Everyone please please pleeeeeeeeeeeease check out today's Waiting For Bob. Fruhead heaven!! ;) (even though I KNOW damn well everyone here knows the url... www.waitingforbob.com) Am I really and truly the first person to post about this today? - -- Molly Doyle http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Balcony/6759 "You know you've been raised Catholic when your automatic response to "May the Force be with you," is "And also with you, my son." --Cathy Holmes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:35:42 GMT From: "Zainab" Subject: Re: New spring dates Cedar Point is truly incredible! I stongly recommend it to any of you who haven't been there. I can't afford the cost or the time, or else I'd join in. If you can, go! It's a blast! Zainab, who spent two summers living and working there, many many years ago... >OK -- how many of us are Amusement Park geeks? Jason and I are hoping >to drive up to MI in late June to collect bday presents and general >stuff that I still have (hopefully) at my parents' house -- he's never >seen my home state in the summer months, and it's also a perfect >opportunity to teach him how to drive the pontoon boat. Alas, we were >also planning to do a day at Cedar Point in OH -- anyone want to try >planning a meeting there? Our dates are flexible... I Just want to be >there before July 4th.... and I may be able to swing up to 10 free >tickets for the day, with proper warning. > >Arabel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:10:46 -0600 From: Chewbacca Subject: Re: Philly City Paper Troc Piece > I was also quite amused Lori. We are Fruheads, hear us roar! > However, I did find it a bit freaky that something posted on our lil > newsgroup made it to the outside world. Is there a spy in here???? I > realize this is a public forum and all, but I guess I just never > thought people from the outside would be paying attention. > > /me looks over her shoulder. Big Brother is watching :) OK. While I never, ever would have published anything that came to me in what I consider to be my "personal mail" without first getting permission, let's really think about this -- there are more than a handful of people here who are or were involved with newspaper work. And even more who probably know a reporter or two. So, this is just my reminder for the century that anything you send out to more than one single person is always "public domain" and therefore, being seen, read, and probably reviewed by people with opinions. Arabel ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:20:37 GMT From: aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992) Subject: Re: what we want on next album >I am always willing to trade or trade for Fruvous bootlegs!! I have acquired >a decent number in just a short amount of time. If you do want to get some >Fruvous Boots, please check out my web page They're not bootlegs! Many people make this mistake. Bootlegs are illegal concert recordings, made without the consent of anyone but the taper (you might also call concert tapes legally recorded, but illegaly sold "bootlegs"). Unless I'm mistaken, Moxy Früvous has no objection to people recording their shows. So they're called concert recordings, or concert tapes, or anything else you want to call 'em...just not bootlegs :-) Not that I have anything against bootlegs (well, the recorded type...people selling legal ones is something I really oppose) ...just getting the terminology correct. And I've got many tapes for trade as well listed on my page in my .sig :-) Aleigh Check it out! Check it totally out!! --> http://i.am/not_your_broom "Your feet are freezing in the ice of reason and it's too little much too late"~ Yazbek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:16:19 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Musical theatre and license plates (was Philly stuff) i'm in wholehearted agreement :). ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** Joshua Doell Drury wrote in message <36C4934B.181903DE@cc.umanitoba.ca>... >KatieWow wrote: > >> grr. i know how you feel chad. as a big MYSD fan, my friends whine and beg >> for gordon all the time. screw 'em, says i. i'll take "great provider" >> over "$1 million" any day. not that gordon's not great (i _adore_ "blame it >> on me"). >> ~~kate > >Gordon is a solid album, with so many great tracks it would be well worth >having without If I Had $1000000. One of the albums that every household >should have. > >Josh Drury >Winnipeg > ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 1999 23:12:47 GMT From: aleigh992@aol.comBROCCOLI (ALeigh992) Subject: Re: New, but not really.... >But then everything talks in Fantastica (and that is the name of >the country in the book; they changed it for the movie. I don't know >why.) It's Fantasien in the German book...Fantasia sounds so much better and like the German, so it's probably the translator's fault. (Fantastica? Ick!) Aleigh Check it out! Check it totally out!! --> http://i.am/not_your_broom "Your feet are freezing in the ice of reason and it's too little much too late"~ Yazbek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:15:06 -0500 From: Rachael Rosenthal Subject: Phantom... Hi, I have been debating about, while at frucon next weekend heading over to see Phantom... my question was to all of you Torontonians and or people who might know. Does the Pantages have a student rush program? I have heard both that they do and that they don't. If they don't does anyone know what the cheapest available seats are? If anyone wants to join me..... My other question is pertaining to the Livent post I saw earlier... what happened? I hadn't heard anything about the bankruptcy issue. I mean as of two years ago they were touting Garth Drabinsky as the Canadian theatre wunderkin.......... Rachael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:12:03 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: WAITING FOR BOB!!!!! *ROTFL* yeah it rocked my cookie! fruchild On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:25:52 -0600 Molly Doyle writes: >Doug 'n Kat, you are absolutely the BEST!!!!!!!! > >Everyone please please pleeeeeeeeeeeease check out today's Waiting >For >Bob. Fruhead heaven!! ;) > >(even though I KNOW damn well everyone here knows the url... >www.waitingforbob.com) > >Am I really and truly the first person to post about this today? >-- >Molly Doyle >http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Balcony/6759 >"You know you've been raised Catholic when your automatic >response to "May the Force be with you," is >"And also with you, my son." --Cathy Holmes > "I AM the band" -Murray (2/6/99) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #149 ********************************************