From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #133 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, February 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 133 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Sad departure :( [petit_chou@juno.com] Legend [petit_chou@juno.com] movies (was Philly Review/Boycott the Troc!) [Mindy J Munson ] Re: Sad departure :( [Mindy J Munson ] Re: Too Weird... (Was Re: Dayton Review (long as usual)) [Joshua Doell Dr] Re: anyone need to get to Frucon? [cricket5@hotmail.com] Re: fru-review 2.3.99: "dayton is a lovely city..." [nafio@my-dejanews.co] Re: My 2nd Favorite Moxy Story [Mindy J Munson ] Re: New, but not really.... [remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat)] Re: replies of a sort and the rest of a header I can't read... [Joshua Do] Upswing [Angie Armstrong ] Re: Too Weird... (Was Re: Dayton Review (long as usual)) ["KatieWow" ] book/band/bickford [Mindy J Munson ] Re: A Scottish Lament [toetappr1@aol.com (Toetappr1)] Re: Philly and stuff.... [Paul Mischler ] Re: Moxy Fruvous at the Troc 2/6/99: the good, the bad and the ugly [jace] capital punishment ["Zainab" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:36:08 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Sad departure :( Phil said: >Until then.....*sniff*.......fare thee well!!!!! Sigh. God be wi'ye [1], Phil. Take care. We'll miss you. Heather Moore [1] Not to impose a Judeo-Christian mindset on you or anyone else on this ng, of course. : ) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:36:41 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Legend >The princess' elfin sidekick, Twitter, just happened to be played by Cork >Hubbert (a.k.a. Brown Tom in _Legend_, the one who got the arrow "shot >through me brain-pan!")....Just thought I'd make you Legend freaks mildly envious. ;) Mildly nothin! I'm so jealous! Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:13:11 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: movies (was Philly Review/Boycott the Troc!) >oooh Empire Records yay! Ethan Embry is my hero... >hahaa... the whole Gwar scene... now that's entertainment. :) > >anyways, other cool movies along those lines: >Billy Madison, tehe KITH: Brain Candy, need to see and Better Off Dead YEahhhh!!! I love that movie. fruchild ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:24:38 -0600 From: Joshua Doell Drury Subject: Re: DC 9:30 Setlist with notes Trace wrote: > > Mike's acutally been using that line since at least July. I think > they owe us all free pizza since that's more than 30 minutes before > the show :) > "Remember, slower pizza's more luscious...." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:23:19 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: New, but not really.... On 9 Feb 1999 20:58:26 GMT elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James) writes: >REMcoat (remcoat@aol.com) wrote: >: >It's good to see someone who can quote >: >songs from the movie Legend AND REM. Stick around, eh? > > >: wow. someone who knows the Legend song. you rock my world. 'tis my >favourite >: movie. tim curry, aw yea. >: stick around? hmm...lemme think about THAT one, ok? ;-) > >: {bastian's mother's name was Moon Child.} my mom just saw a license plate that said moon child and told me if she were brave she would steal it for me =+) (my friends called me things like moon child goddess of the moon and moon princess) >I liked SEbastion from the Neverending Story. 8-) >-Matt Sebastian? blah! Give me some Atreyu! fruchild ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:23:23 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: Sad departure :( Good bye!!!! We will miss you! All the love. Phil! hope you return to us soon Fruchild On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:27:30 GMT "Schwan, Phil" writes: >Fellow Fruheads of the Newsgroup Inclination, > It is with deepest regret that I announce my departure from >the world of Regularly Posting Newsgroup Members. I have just >received word from the local authority (my supervisor) that I have >more than double the email usage of any other user in Corporate >Headquarters. The only available solution is to bid thee a fond >farewell. Yes, I realize that I can check the ng through DejaNews, >but it's a lot more difficult to convince your supervisor you're doing >anything productive when you have a web browser open. That's >Dilbert's Law:) > >So, though I will be checking it from time to time in DN, I will not >be a regular viewer. > >This, of course, could all change the minute I transfer from here to >another location:) > >Until then.....*sniff*.......fare thee well!!!!! > >-Phil, So WHAT if I get a lot of email?!? Bastards..... > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:22:20 -0600 From: Joshua Doell Drury Subject: Re: Too Weird... (Was Re: Dayton Review (long as usual)) Chewbacca wrote: > Sometimes they're young enough that we > could conceivably spend up to 3 million dollars on that one person > alone.... and if we didn't, we would be risking our own lives by letting > them back into society. I've had my fair share of losses in this life, > and don't see it as avenging... merely as being cost-conscious. > > Arabel Welly welly welly... It's an interesting point, but some things (e.g. human life, justice) are actually MORE important than money. Consider: - - It is possible for criminals, even murderers, to be reformed in prison, especially when the crimes were performed in unusual circumstances (i.e., not in cold blood). Of course, you always hear about the few times they let someone out too early... but this is not the majority of cases. - - If someone is wrongly convicted of a capital offence, it's better to be able to release an innocent person if they are proven so later on. Josh Drury Winnipeg "This next song is called, 'Thank God We Don't Have Capital Punishment'." - -Gord Downie, before launching into "Wheat Kings". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 20:59:38 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Re: anyone need to get to Frucon? In article <36C03E41.B64DBFA1@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu>, Chad Maloney wrote: > Matt James wrote: > > My other question is, are tickets still available for > > Friday and Saturday and the FruconII? > > As far as I know, tickets are available through ticketmaster and ticketweb > for all 3 shows still. The convention does not have pre-tickets, though > you should pre-register because Mary wants you to and it's also a good > idea so they have an idea of what to plan for, you know? Check out the > Frucon2 page on FDC for more info on lotsa things: > http://www.fruvous.com/frucon2.html > Chad, I don't want to take anything away from your very helpful and informative post, but yes, preregistering is very helpful and anyone who does so will get the latest in FruCon info via email. Thanks to everyone who's already signed up. Perhaps, Mr. Chad MaHoney, you could follow that example and your own advice and drop me an email at frucon2@canada.com so you get on the list ;-) Love, Mary - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:22:24 GMT From: nafio@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: fru-review 2.3.99: "dayton is a lovely city..." Chad wrote: > > > >You can order my videotapes, Chad Mahoney's How to Approach Fruvous to > >learn these great approach and more. It guides in you broaching subjects > >you want to talk about without looking like a blathering idiot. Volume > >1 includes Murray, Mike, Marcus, and Trevor. Volume 2 includes Cal, > >Jian, Dave, and Tobey. Order now and get Chad Mahoney's How to Approach > >Fruheads for absolultely free. It has such useful knowledge about > >Zard, CeeCee, Jason, Laurie, and many others. And, reply in the next > >30 minutes, you'll get Talkin' Bass with Chad and ChrisT. Operators > >are standing by. and Jason responded: > ROTFL > > This is the best damn post I've read here in months! Interesting. Although I did quote it, I was going to nominate this as "Most Confusing Welcome to Newbies" since it mentions 2 people you're not likely to be seeing at a show very often, 5 people who don't post all that often, an ongoing joke that hasn't been mentioned in months and Jian's loving misspelling of "Maloney" that was last mentioned sometime around the Cchhaadd thread. (And requires you to know that Chad's last name isn't actually Mahoney.) In short it's about as full of in-jokes as a Früvous show. *g* Maybe I should just nominate it for "Post Most Likely to Bring the Old-Timers Out of the Woodwork". Fiona "Früvous has this weird mental virus - we have to follow them or we'll die" - me, Windsor Jan 29/99 - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:13:42 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: Re: My 2nd Favorite Moxy Story thats amazing... that other story... i wanna hear that one too =+) Fruchild On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:52:00 -0800 driedmonkey@zdnetmail.com (Stiff, Dried, Creaking Monkey) writes: >Here you go, gotta tell this tale. >It happened at the 21+ show at the Tralf in Buffalo. >I was waiting outside, although I was only 20, because >my girlfriend's aunt was getting HER in and said she >might be able to swing me, too. They hadn't showed up >yet, and I was worried about not making it. >Dave walked by. I waved, he smiled and waved back. >As I saw him going up the escalator to the top floor, >I thought "I I wonder if he would have let me in?" >I waited and read, sitting. >Mike walked by. >I said Hi to him and we chatted for a couple of >minutes. He asked me what I had been reading, and I >was embarrased, becasue it was by Dean Koontz, a >formula writer if I ever saw one. I told him I didn't >think he'd like it but showed it to him anyway. He >asked me why I thought that. >I was quiet for a minute or so, trying to think up a >good response, when he pushed his nose up with his >finger, tilted his head back, and looked me in the >eyes. >"Yes!" I said, "I thought you would be looking down >your nose at it, becasue it was pulp ficiton." >He laughed. "I was just reading a novel last week, it >was from Quebec, in French, and it was complete pulp. >I absolutely loved it." >He told me he had to get going, so he started up the >escalator. I worried internally for a second, and >then yelled, "Mike!" >I will never forget what he did at this point. He >spun around completely, putting his hands on the metal >side of the escalator, suspending himself by his hands >on the metal. >"I know you're going to hate this, but I need to ask a >favor. They won't let me in there. I'm only 20, and >they want twenty one. I do have a ticket, though" I >showed him my ticket. >He looked at it for a second. He looked at me. Then >he said, "Right, you're with the band." And handed me >his leather backpack. >We went upstaris to the Tralf, and Mike asked the >manager, standing at the door, if they could open the >back door for us. He sent us down to the ground floor >with a bouncer. >We went through a dark, closed down bar with dust so >thick we kicked it up as we walked. The bouncer led >us into a pitch balck hall, which was so full of junk >(that we couldn't see) that we had to walk with our >backs to the wall. The floor was also covered in >magazines, so we kept slipping. Fun stuff. >We got to a door with light behind it. The bouncer >unlocked and opened the door and told us the Tralf was >on the second landing. We went up two flights of >stairs, very unused, and got to the second floor. The >door was a steel firedoor, with a tiny window on one >side. We could see a glimpse of the side of the stage >there. >Mike tried to open the door, but it wouldn;t budge. >Apparently it was locked. He looked down the stairs, >we ran down to the first level, but that door was >locked, too. >Mike was getting really steamed. He knocked on the >door, and did it again. Knocked again. He then >turned towards me (I think I flinched - he looked >mad. Not that I blame him, considering the labyrinth >we had to go through to get here. And the fact the >bouncer hadn't told him it would be locked), and he >said, "stand Back". I did. >He stood in front of the door foor a second, >breathing. Then he lashed out at the door, striking >it with his palm, and making a noise that sounded like >a gong. I felt it in the floor. He gathered himself >and struck again. Did it again. >The door eventually opened. A lady let us in. Mike >grinned, and I handed him his bookbag, saying that I >could never thank him enough. He told me that he >hoped that I enjoyed the show, and went backstage. >That's my favorite Moxy story, besides when they >pulled me up on stage. But that, as they say, is >another story. >Peace, >Tamdakh > > > >*** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start >Here (tm) *** > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 1999 21:37:59 GMT From: remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat) Subject: Re: New, but not really.... >>I liked SEbastion from the Neverending Story. 8-) >>-Matt > >Sebastian? blah! Give me some Atreyu! no. is was bastian. no 'se'. it's the same in the book. and atreyu was beautiful. love, mandy the 80's girl... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ j.a. m.s. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:32:16 -0600 From: Joshua Doell Drury Subject: Re: replies of a sort and the rest of a header I can't read... Gruneberg Veronica J wrote: > the ill-fated "Ontari-ari-ario" (actually title - commence laughter) As in: "A place to live! A place to grow! Ontari-ari-ario!" I seem to remember singing that in my elementary school, although I've lived in Mani-ani-anitoba my whole life. (Hmm, that reminds me of a really great song about Saskatchewan I heard a few weeks ago on CBC Radio 1. Nothing Rhymes With Saskatchewan, I think was the title. Anyone else hear it?) Josh Drury Winnipeg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:55:05 GMT From: Angie Armstrong Subject: Upswing 1) In regard to Jian's post via moxy@passport.ca: Is there any wonder why I worship this band so much? Any wonder at all? how many other fans can boast to having a member of their favorite band respond with such a sincere and heartfelt post regarding treatment of fans and band alike? And apologize, no less, for something that is entirely _not_ their fault?!? Truly, as a fan (who wasn't even _at_ the concert), I feel blessed. IMHO, I don't think the apology should come from the band... the band is owed an immense apology by the owners, operators and staff of the Troc. Jian, Murray, Mike and Dave... thanks for being so incredible; 10 days and counting!!! 2) In the immortal words of Jackie Gleason, "How SWEET it is!" I just got one of those "Man I needed a pick-me-up and here it is!" Emails: ********** YOU WIN! ************ Your name plus one guest will be on the door list for the MOXY FRUVOUS show at LEE'S PALACE on Friday Feb. 19th. ******************************** Rockin!!!! This trip is getting ever and ever more exciting as the days progress. I can't believe I'm headin' out a week from Friday!!! So, according to TM canada my tix are printed and in the mail as of 2/3. Anyone looking for tix for 2/19? I've got two avail now :^) 3) Alistair (YCDDOT)... *sigh* I was so embarrassed to admit I had this mega-huge crush on him!!! I'm _so_ glad I'm not the only one! Speaking of Canadian vid... I used to love watching Megan Follows: Anna to the Infinite Power, Anne of Green Gables, Anne of Avonlea, Some teen drama about her being a girl goalie in her HS all boys Hockey team, and another made-for-TV drama about her falling in love with her 1-yr older Step-Brother (their parents had just gotten married a few months before). I don't know why, but when I was young, I just really loved watching her movies... go fig. Was she Canadian? I think I always associated her with Canada because of the Hockey thing (and her friend was always talking about running away and livin' it up on Queen Street, and they had that cool Canadian lilt to their words). Anyway, I think that's it. I have to go now and try to remember how to use a Mac (well, it _has_ been 7 years, after all). Ciao Bye!!! - --Angie When I get back we'll dip our cup Into the fountain of youth We'll rest our heads and raise a toast To the sunset's beautiful truth --Moxy Fruvous ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:24:21 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Too Weird... (Was Re: Dayton Review (long as usual)) my thoughts exactly. something like 30% of all inmates initially sent to death row are eventually found to be innocent of the crimes. 'makes one wonder how many people have been killed who really were innocent. also, because even death row inmates are entitled to fair representation, they often appeal several times, running up legal bills in amounts which far exceed what it would cost to keep them in prison. i normally don't even bring up economic issues when talking about the death penalty, but this is simply statement of a trend. not to mention the fact that the united states is the _only_ developed, industrialized, democratic government which still has a death penalty in effect, but that's beside the point . . . ~~kate - -- **************************************************************************** Kate Leahy kleahy@loyola.edu **************************************************************************** nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight - --bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. - --douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. - --jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 *************************************************************************** Joshua Doell Drury wrote in message <36C0A70C.43246C72@cc.umanitoba.ca>... >Chewbacca wrote: > > >> Sometimes they're young enough that we >> could conceivably spend up to 3 million dollars on that one person >> alone.... and if we didn't, we would be risking our own lives by letting >> them back into society. I've had my fair share of losses in this life, >> and don't see it as avenging... merely as being cost-conscious. >> >> Arabel > >Welly welly welly... >It's an interesting point, but some things (e.g. human life, justice) are >actually MORE important than money. >Consider: >- It is possible for criminals, even murderers, to be reformed in prison, >especially when the crimes were performed in unusual circumstances (i.e., not >in cold blood). Of course, you always hear about the few times they let >someone out too early... but this is not the majority of cases. >- If someone is wrongly convicted of a capital offence, it's better to be >able to release an innocent person if they are proven so later on. > >Josh Drury >Winnipeg > >"This next song is called, 'Thank God We Don't Have Capital Punishment'." >-Gord Downie, before launching into "Wheat Kings". > ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 1999 22:51:10 GMT From: sandy82119@aol.com (Sandy82119) Subject: re: Assimilating Pittsburgh You're not alone there. The first time I went to Graffiti I got lost for two hours on Mt Washington and ended up finally getting there right AFTER the guys got done playing. I'm from Columbus-it's that purple belt. geez. Sandy Insight is often mistaken for madness- Sir George Hutchinson;The Awakening ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:02:08 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: all things I am doing much better now and I wanted to thank you all (this goes for the band as well). I just wanted you to know that you guys supported me more than family or friends through this (he was back at my old home so no one here knew him). I recieved his last words today: I wrote something, something that I hoped meant something., but in the end, I couldn't feel anything from it. Very simply, good bye. Do what you will with my things. Good bye. In clear mind and body, Benjamin Alexander Steele My friends from home said that he left me a bday present with instructions and I will recieve it rite before FruCon. Its hard that this must drag out, but I am doing well. I love you all. Thank you for the love, thank you for the support, and Ji, thanx for the hug fruchild ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:48:22 GMT From: Mindy J Munson Subject: book/band/bickford yup yup. just grabbed my book. its Bastian[1] I dont know if I have a place or not saying this. I was not at the Troc show, but I wanted to thank Jian and the band emmensly for just being wonderful. Although i whole heartedly agree you have no need to appologize it just reasures me of how humble you all are. We love you!!! Yeah Alisdair rocked but I had a crush on Chris Bickford (he looked like an older Alisdair) fruchild [1]On 9 Feb 1999 21:37:59 GMT remcoat@aol.com (REMcoat) writes: >>>I liked SEbastion from the Neverending Story. 8-) >>>-Matt >> >>Sebastian? blah! Give me some Atreyu! > >no. is was bastian. no 'se'. it's the same in the book. and atreyu >was >beautiful. >love, mandy the 80's girl... >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >sake>j.a. >sun?>m.s. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 1999 23:15:10 GMT From: toetappr1@aol.com (Toetappr1) Subject: Re: A Scottish Lament you chose a good tune to write a lament to. It happens to be one of my favorites. Love, Lesley (yet another untitled one) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 18:15:00 -0500 From: Paul Mischler Subject: Re: Philly and stuff.... Unfortunately, Livent, Inc. has filed for bankruptcy. I do believe that the only show they really have running right now is The Phantom of the Opera at the Pantages Theatre... The Ragtime tour was cancelled here in Rochester, making very many people unhappy ;-( Rachael Rosenthal wrote: > My god you did not just quote Ragtime.......does anyone know if it still running in > Toronto, Frucon may have a second attraction if it is..... ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 1999 23:47:12 GMT From: jacey7@aol.com (Jacey7) Subject: Re: Moxy Fruvous at the Troc 2/6/99: the good, the bad and the ugly Becky wrote: >>but I don't see why letting in people who already had their tickets is such a problem. If people ordered their tickets early enough to be able to pick them up or have them delivered before the show, why should they have to stand around while everyone else goes through the pickup process?<< I am a BIG fan of Will-Call tix, because usually: a) I order tix way in advance and am afraid I'll lose them ;-) or b) I order them just before a show, and they don't have time to be mailed. Now, how it USUALLY works, at well-organized venues (at least in NYC), is that the pick up window is separate from the entrance. So you get to the place, go to the window to grab your tix, and get on the end of the line. *No one* has to wait any longer because of it. You do NOT get herded into one big group of ticket delinquents who must wait til every straggler possessing the precious printout is allowed in. OK, I'm gonna go read the rest of the Philly bashing now ;-) ~jen (who believes all of you must be in the early stages of carpal-tunnel with all the posts here...) *~~~"Measure your life in love"~~~* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:03:07 GMT From: "Zainab" Subject: capital punishment yeah, not to mention the fact that death row inmates in the u. s. are disproportionately nonwhite. and you're more likely to get a death sentence if you killed a white person than if you killed a black person. i'm completely, solidly against capital punishment...for completely secular reasons. (i'm not religious.) Zainab >my thoughts exactly. something like 30% of all inmates initially sent to >death row are eventually found to be innocent of the crimes. 'makes one >wonder how many people have been killed who really were innocent. also, >because even death row inmates are entitled to fair representation, they >often appeal several times, running up legal bills in amounts which far >exceed what it would cost to keep them in prison. i normally don't even >bring up economic issues when talking about the death penalty, but this is >simply statement of a trend. >not to mention the fact that the united states is the _only_ developed, >industrialized, democratic government which still has a death penalty in >effect, but that's beside the point . . . >~~kate > >-- >*************************************************************************** * >Kate Leahy >kleahy@loyola.edu >*************************************************************************** * >nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight >gotta kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight >--bruce cockburn, "lovers in a dangerous time" >and so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them >were miserable, even the ones with digital watches. >--douglas adams, "hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy" >we're splitting into two camps--mike, i'm with you. >--jian ghomeshi, bottom line, 1/1 >*************************************************************************** >Joshua Doell Drury wrote in message <36C0A70C.43246C72@cc.umanitoba.ca>... >>Chewbacca wrote: >> >> >>> Sometimes they're young enough that we >>> could conceivably spend up to 3 million dollars on that one person >>> alone.... and if we didn't, we would be risking our own lives by letting >>> them back into society. I've had my fair share of losses in this life, >>> and don't see it as avenging... merely as being cost-conscious. >>> >>> Arabel >> >>Welly welly welly... >>It's an interesting point, but some things (e.g. human life, justice) are >>actually MORE important than money. >>Consider: >>- It is possible for criminals, even murderers, to be reformed in prison, >>especially when the crimes were performed in unusual circumstances (i.e., >not >>in cold blood). Of course, you always hear about the few times they let >>someone out too early... but this is not the majority of cases. >>- If someone is wrongly convicted of a capital offence, it's better to be >>able to release an innocent person if they are proven so later on. >> >>Josh Drury >>Winnipeg >> >>"This next song is called, 'Thank God We Don't Have Capital Punishment'." >>-Gord Downie, before launching into "Wheat Kings". >> > > ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V3 #133 ********************************************