From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #144 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, December 21 1998 Volume 02 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fruvous Dreams [Srm9988n@aol.com] immigration [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: The Pres -no fruvous content ["Ken VanTassell" ] "Whoa!! Hey!" said Marion [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: Gulf and the pres ["Jack S. Porcello" Well, Mike and Jian play "air-trumpet" on YWGTTM :) Does that count? Sometimes I wish Andrew also played air-trumpet. :) >Yes I am the grouchy flamingo, And we are a *really* dangerous pair. - -- Lori the homicidal flamingo/little murrmaid ( multiple personality disorder too -obviously an all-round mess.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:05:35 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: immigration chad wrote: > (And hey, if Bill can hang in there at least until January 20th > we can get two full terms out of Al Gore...) >Actually, if Clinton resigns now, Gore will be an incumbant >going into the Prez elections in 2000. Meaning that he would >have a better chance of getting elected. Then, I think that >he would still be eligible to run for two terms, leaving him >in office, theoretically, for 10 years. Yes, he's allowed ten full years, no more. that's why I said if clinton hangs on until Jan 20 ... inauguration day ... life will be cool. >Of course, those 10 years will probably be less interesting than >the Eisenhower administration. Boring ain't necessarily bad. Gore has no magnetism, so hopefully not so many bimbo eruptions. (Here's hoping anyway.) - -- Lori the little murrmaid ******************************* we wish you a moxy fruvous we wish you a moxy fruvous we wish you a moxy fruvous and a happy winter holiday of your choice. (Happy solstice to all, beginning in less than 1 hour 9 minutes!) Visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index1.html (photos!) http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/sugar.html (Wilmington brownies and other delights!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:09:01 -0500 From: "Ken VanTassell" Subject: Re: The Pres -no fruvous content we need to throw both parties out and elect a libertarian. Then we can straighten this mess out! Bodaceah wrote in message <19981220220004.04105.00001898@ng-fq1.aol.com>... >I read in the paper the other day that our fine federal government ended a >program that gave blankets to the homeless. Their reasoning, no more money. So >what other programs are we going to have to give up in order that we can have a >president who sets a moral standard for the rest of us to follow? > >jude > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:33:44 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: "Whoa!! Hey!" said Marion chad said meekly, >I wouldn't gush over Chad, but if someone wanted to gush over >me, I wouldn't complain. :) Hey, I'm an equal-opportunity gusher: chad: rarely have I had such fun talking dirty with someone I've only once met. Tom: Katrin's made rubbing your fuzzy pate sound *so* appealing, I may just have to give it a try ... I'll be in line next to hKath. Richard: /me swoons at such deft wordplay! Chad: ooh, that bass-player vibe, baby, ooh! frulads: let's play hockey, have kids and grow old... Shouldn't have wanted more ... but sometimes I just can't help myself. Let's get it all on video... you can still come home to me ... Okay, that's enough flirting in one day for this little murrmaid. Goodnight! - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:32:25 GMT From: "Jack S. Porcello" Subject: Re: Gulf and the pres Well, here goes. I promised myself I would leave it alone, yet I am going the other way. When will I learn? Yes, I too believe it is all about playing politics. Sadly, that is what it has all become. Gone are the days when a leader was elected to public office who had the best interest of his/her constituency at heart. Gone are the days of true representative government. It has become us against them, and the only losers turn out to be neither us nor them. It is the third group, the nameless, faceless, countless masses that *us* and *them* suppose to represent. There are no liberals. There are no conservatives. There are only people who wield way too much power for their own good, or the good of those who in good faith put them in power. Yes, Bill Clinton has lied. Repeatedly. But so has everyone else in his position as far back as this simple citizen can remember. The only difference is that his script writers have not been as effective as they could be, or he has decided to shoot from the hip to cover his lies more than anyone else. Therefore he comes off looking the fool more times than not. No, I am not pro Clinton, nor am I anti Clinton. In fact, I didn't even vote in that election. "Well, then, you have no right to say anything then, Jack, as you did not take part in the decision!" you may say. Well, the reason that I didn't take part in that circus, or any other election, is that I refuse to choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee (or Tweedle-dumber) in such an important thing as this. My conscience would not allow me to pick a representative of me when *none of the above* was the only choice for me. As long as we have this system, there will be the Dems against the GOP, and they will always find ways to dig dirt on one another. The reason is, simply put, that these elections are won and lost in 30 second sound bites on prime time television. One side screams of supply side economics while massaging the data to invent a need amoung business, while another cries out for the poor and oppressed as they pour money into special services that do not address the cause, but the symptoms only. Each side maintains a demographic that requires the services of their own special forces, thus guranteeing that they will always be needed. Job security based on deception. How do we fix it? Haven't a clue. Does that mean we should simply stay with what we have? If that were the case, we would still be living in caves. I don't have the answers, but more and more of us need to ask the proper questions in order to see the problems that vex our society solved. Am I a dreamer, do I ascribe to utopian beliefs? Perhaps. But only when we reach for the stars will we touch the sky. Peace, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:20:18 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Gulf and the Prez Trace wrote: and I'm not going to add much. but I do think this is why the American population at large seems to not think this is worth pursuing, and is quite bewildered and ticked off at our elected representatives, who don't exactly seem to be representing us on this: > How does that same right to privacy >not extend to Bill Clinton? I absolutely refuse to get outraged >because members of congress pushed Clinton to find out where/when he'd >crack. OK, he lied, and I'm not condoning that, but neither can I >condone what congress did to his civil liberties, and Monica's, by >forcing them to testify in front of a grand jury about issues that did >not actually involve a crime. The whole thing smacked of malicious >prosecution, and personal vendetta, and I am disturbed by the >precedent it sets. If they can do it to the prez, they can do it to >anyone, and I am not so much of a hypocrite as to suggest that there >is nothing in my life that I would not feel compelled to shield from >public knowledge if someone were to dig, and probe and force. In Like, these congressional and special-prosecutorial guys aren't wearing jackboots and flying in in black helicopters, but they're just as heavy-handed in their way as the "ATF thugs" the Michigan Militia and all the other wackos out there think are the problem with American government. Maybe the militia guys have a point. If smirking Ken Starr and his arrogant lackeys had asked me those questions I'd have been sorely tempted to tell him to go f* himself. Does anyone else out there feel that the constitutional process is being manipulated and gone over for loopholes in order for a coup against a lawfully elected Commander in Chief to be attempted? This is what has come about after 6 years of nonstop interrogation and pursuit of some of the wackiest, most specious claims of "high crimes and misdemeanours" I've ever heard: the man had a tawdry little dalliance, and didn't want his wife and the rest of the country to know it. Get him the hell out of office! He's obviously unfit to serve! Yeeeesh. > I'm not talking about crime here, >I'm talking about digging into a person's private life for dirt (ala >Monica Lewinsky). This would not be an issue for a CEO, an >automechanic, or a supermarket cashier. The presidency is also a job, >and a person's abilities to do the job well should be the issue, not >their privatel lives. The president is a human being with faults like >anyone else, and with personal morality issues, just like anyone else, > I'll take care of my own morality, and leave others to theirs. Just give >me a president who can represent my interests in the government of my >country, and I'll consider it a job well done. Me too. Thanks Trace. - -- Lori (murrmaid/flamingo) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #144 ********************************************