From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #137 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Gulf War - Part II [bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors)] Re: Gulf War - Part II ["Schwan, Phil" ] Re: Gulf War - Part II [Richard Butterworth ] Re: Ro(/u)sh Hashanah [Ambush Bug ] Re: Gulf War - Part II ["d" ] Re: Gulf War - Part II ["Adam Hartfield" ] Re: new to the group [krazy924@aol.com (Krazy924)] Re: Gulf War - Part II [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salye] Re: Holiday Music [jsmooth69@aol.comblah (JSmooth69)] Re: [Re: Holiday Music] [katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Saly] The Dave Thread [epbuckley@my-dejanews.com] Re: Holiday Music ["d" ] Re: Happy Rushmas [Caitlin ] Re: Happy Rushmas (also politics, gulf war and square one) [nicole.the.wo] Re: Holiday Music ["Schwan, Phil" ] Gulf War: Take Two (Was Gulf War Part II, Gulf War Song II, etc) [Mulder] Re: Ro(/u)sh Hashanah [Alan Sigman ] Re: Happy Rushmas [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: Murray sings (was Fruvous Dreams) [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Muns] Ramadan [cricket5@hotmail.com] Re: Holiday Music [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] Re: The Dave Thread [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] Re: Ro(/u)sh Hashanah [petit_chou@juno.com] Murray sings! [Srm9988n@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Dec 1998 14:12:37 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: Re: Gulf War - Part II I remember during the first GUlf War seeing an old friend from when I was in high school (he was in college) show up on my CNN TV screen as the reporter in Israel. I think that brought things home to me more than anything, because my daughter was about 3 months old and all I could think of was how nervous his mom must be. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:15:24 GMT From: "Schwan, Phil" Subject: Re: Gulf War - Part II chad spewed forth: >Out of curiosity, what do you think of the economic blockade >against Cuba? Pisses me off...they make good cigars! :) I think that one is WAAAAAAAAY overdue for a review and most likely a dismissal. Not that I like Communist countries (their governments anyway), but that never stopped us from trading with China. If Cuba had the size and resources of China, I guarantee we'd be trading with them. Of course, if they were that big and resourceful, they would have invaded us a long time ago:) - -Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:06:47 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: Gulf War - Part II FruWench wrote: > If only they would report the basic facts and > leave the speculation to the reader/observer/listener. Hmm. Yes and no[1]. Any reporter is a human being and once put in front of a scene of human tragedy expecting them to be dispassionate is unreasonable. This was brought home by the Bosnian war. Lots of BBC reporters whose training consists of being taught to be completely impartial were sent out there, and after they'd seen Serbian shells land on bread queues a few times they said that they just *couldn't* be impartial to it. They had to display emotion about it. It might make them failures as journalists but it made them sucesses as human beings. What would be nice would be if journalists credited their readers/observers/listeners with at least minimum intellect. What worries me is not that people are fooled by irresponsible journalism (wearing helmets, doing noddy shots, etc); I don't believe people *are* fooled most of the time, but once you realise that a journalist is spinning you falsety for the sake of making their report more exciting, sexy, etc then you get cynical about the motives of all journalism and don't bother to listen at all. Tinkerty tonk Richard - ------------------------------------------------------ `I was a rose in April and still a rose in June, I fear that come the winter I shall no longer bloom.' Kate Rusby - ------------------------------------------------------ [1] Spot the liberal! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:20:59 GMT From: "d" Subject: Re: [Re: Holiday Music] >You're right, its The Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Man, talk about great >Christmas CD's.... the trans-siberian orchestra is made up mostly by members of a hard rock band named savatage. their sound, though less orchestrated, shines through in copious quantities on those tso cd's, so if any of you like tso, and can lower yourself to buy something so hard rock, you might want to give them a try. might. maybe. d .-~'~-.,,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-., curator, slipknot international music archive http://www.flash.net/~helmet '~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~' ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 1998 15:40:44 GMT From: Ambush Bug Subject: Re: Ro(/u)sh Hashanah Remember when petit_chou@juno.com said: : So, you know, I always thought it was funny in the Greatest Man how they : say that there's Rushmas (celebration of birth of saviour) and Rush : Hashanah (New Year). How are those equal? I guess there's really no : Jewish equivalent for Christmas, but the Fruvous comparison always struck : me as amusing. Rush Hashana is -- in my opinion -- a clever pun, and not supposed to be some sort of connection between the two currently celebrated holidays. There is no Jewish equivalent to Christmas, as far as I know. Mike - -- "This tattoo won't come off. I thought it was the lick 'em/stick 'em kind. But I couldn't figure out what that machine was for. Or why I was in so much pain." -- Mary Prankseter Try Koplio's Story! Get it at http://www.aliensoft.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:04:39 GMT From: "d" Subject: Re: Gulf War - Part II Thomas Fazzio wrote in message <367995F3.7455B4F1@bitsmart.com>... >Imagine sitting around YOUR dinner table, in YOUR house, in YOUR neighborhood, >with YOUR family. Unknown to you or any of those you love around that table, a >missile is being dropped because of some politicians sitting around having an >ego-war. One minute later you find yourself in pain under rubble only to find >out that your life is now completely different because you see the body of a >loved one, someone that was just sitting at that table is now dead. > >Just because you were at the place the missile was too. > >later, >tom. ok tom, let me advance your scenario one pace. imagine sitting around YOUR dinner table, in YOUR house, in YOUR neighborhood, with all of YOUR family and the slow sliding stench of gas attack death, by scud or by any other means necessary, grooves it's way down your boulevard, street, avenue, or cul-de-sac. and as the chemicals hit your lungs and the soft, spongy tissue that makes up your lungs melts down and fuses together like army men baked too long in a microwave (not that *i* would have EVER done that), your planet-departing thought can be... ...though we could have, at least we didn't risk their civilians to try and prevent this... yes, it is a really sad thing to be in iraq or some other nation full of sovereign brown people... ("ever notice that the u.s. only seems to bomb brown people? who were the last white people we bombed? the germans? why? cause they were cutting in on our action!") ...and be ripped up like that. i couldn't pretend to imagine what being a civilian victim in a home-based war must be like. anytime i do i think - hell, i'd just move - but most people seem to think the meaning of life is all about being proud and keeping your dignity and standing your ground no matter what and all that...but i think the meaning of life is simply NOT DYING. "there are bullets here. i think i'd better start packing." and i'd think that if i lived in a country for...8 years, and in YEAR ONE my leader invaded another country for it's resources just cause he could, and then was summarily bombed and invaded and told to cool it; and then YEARS TWO THROUGH SEVEN comprised all these other countries trying to monitor him and make sure he doesn't act up again as he scurries around evasively like a schoolyard bully being chased by the administrative staff; and then YEAR EIGHT begins the bombing again...you know, i think i would seriously have to reconsider my residence. but that's just ME. going off on a senseless tirade. as a veteran of the first middle eastern x games (i drove a tank, can you tell?), i'm sickened that anybody has to go over there. i hate it. it's mental cruelty for every person of sound mind (the gung-ho people probably still think it's neat) to go over there, contemplate their mortality for some amount of time, then launch into maneuvers against someone who has shown the propensity and willingness to: - - strap human beings to potential bomb targets - - murder political opponents and activists and their families - - leave his own troops out in the desert for weeks at a time without supplies - - make enough biological weaponry to kill the planet a few times over (well placed, it doesn't take much) - - set fire to all those oil derricks that destroyed what little bit of ecology they had there but then i have to consider the alternative. attention all peace-niks! he's not going to go away! if we pack up all our toys and stop playing in the sand over there, he's not going to wave warmheartedly at our backs and say "boy, those nice people sure showed me a valuable lesson. i'll never take someone else's stuff again." these are fragile times. third world countries are building first world nuclear weaponry and second rate nerve gas. and the united states, as much as most people hate it, has become the world's police force, trying to curb all that good friendly violent fun. it's not an enviable position, it's that dirty job that someone has to do, because...well...just consider the alternative. please please please know, all of you, that i'm not attacking anyone, i'm not trying to, i'm just letting my cut-rate opinions fly. if you read this far, thanks. i'll be reading all of yours, too. d .-~'~-.,,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-., curator, slipknot international music archive http://www.flash.net/~helmet '~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:58:47 GMT From: "Adam Hartfield" Subject: Re: Gulf War - Part II >ok tom, let me advance your scenario one pace. [snip] >d >.-~'~-.,,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-., >curator, slipknot international music archive >http://www.flash.net/~helmet >'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~'~-.,.-~' D, I thought this was a very well-thought-out, sensible, and all around great post, and I'm happy you posted it. - --Adam adamh@javanet.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 1998 17:27:04 GMT From: krazy924@aol.com (Krazy924) Subject: Re: new to the group >Pick up Wood and You Will Go To The Moon when you >get a chance. Those are next on my list :) >Where are you? I live in Illinois about an hour outside of Chicago. Thanks for the welcome :) Kristin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:35:42 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: Gulf War - Part II In article <367A3C05.9829E6EC@mdx.NONASTYSPAM.ac.uk>, r.j.butterworth@mdx.NONASTYSPAM.ac.uk says... > The US congress seems to have got its head stuck up its > own backside. The republican obssession with the Monica Lewinsky affair > not only brings them into disrepute, but it makes the whole American system > look utterly farcical and trivial to outside observers. Cough. Like me, > for example. US citizens deserve better. (At least the ones I've met do.) Thank you for understanding the difference between most of us American people and a few idiots in our government who are making us all the laughingstock of the world right now. I have wondered exactly what ordinary citizens in distant countries really believe about the ordinary citizens over here. BTW, I just added a new folder to my "saved posts" directory specifically for your words of wisdom, Richard. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has done this, either. k@ who at age 15 was called a "warmonger" by a total stranger from Canada ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 1998 17:59:01 GMT From: jsmooth69@aol.comblah (JSmooth69) Subject: Re: Holiday Music <> Depends if you want the original record version or want to get it on cd. I got mine last year at Media Play around this time of year and there were quite a few of them. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting it this way. Jason "Blessed are the Cheesemakers." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:46:35 -0700 From: katrin@dimensional.com (Katrin Luessenheide Salyers) Subject: Re: [Re: Holiday Music] In article , helmet@flash.nospam.com.net.edu.gov says... > the trans-siberian orchestra is made up mostly by members of a hard rock > band named savatage. Oh my god you're kidding! I was just joking recently about being dragged to a couple of their concerts by an ex-boyfriend many years ago. Not my taste in music, really, but we met the band after a show once, and they do seem like very nice guys. I'd never heard of the Trans-Siberian Orchestra before reading this thread, but now I'll have to check them out if I have the chance. k@ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:44:59 GMT From: epbuckley@my-dejanews.com Subject: The Dave Thread does anyone else find it incredibly *sexy* the way dave's scalp seems to kind of... glisten... under the lights? i go all ashiver when i see that. i wish he'd let me polish it sometime. peace, ellen - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:52:46 GMT From: "d" Subject: Re: Holiday Music i'm currently still enamored by the ren and stimpy christmas album including the seminal classics "we wish you a hairy chestwig" and "fleck the walls"... d ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:17:36 -0800 From: Caitlin Subject: Re: Happy Rushmas As one of those damned pagans who happily (and occasionally loudly) celebrates things like the Winter Solstice, I would be more than happy to have Rush tortured at my bonfire. Consider it a Solstice gift to me... :) (and checking in, a random update: Plans for Paris are back on, so I will be missing both the New Years shows and Moxy Fruvous in LA. At the Roxy. On a Thursday no less. Who thinks this is coincidence?) love, the Caiti who has now *slept* for the first time in weeks! ____ \ /__ Caitlin Xantha Hazen \/ / caitlin@wayward-volvo.org \/ http://www.wayward-volvo.org/xanthe.html On 18 Dec 1998, FruWench wrote: > >Steve sez: > >>My personal preference is Dec. 21, the shortest day of they year. It's > >>dark a > >>lot and cold. > > > >Hee hee hee! But do we really wanna insult the Solstice Observers by > >foisting Rush on them? > > Please don't. Although, a lot can happen on that long dark night . . . "Hey! > Anybody seen Rush lately? He was right here a minute ago?" "I think ladywench > tied him to a chair and is playing Moxy Fruvous at him." "Oh. Well, that's > alright then." > > ladywench > > > ladywench > FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . > > "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and > know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:42:45 GMT From: nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: Happy Rushmas (also politics, gulf war and square one) On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:39:24 -0500, someone looking suspiciously like Thomas Fazzio whispered these words: >Hehehe, that was fun... but really in all honesty, I really don't prefer >either of those two people or *most* politicians in general. I draw the >line as a human being, a brother, a son, and grandson that for NO reason >should a living person give up such a precious life because two groups of >people couldn't settle an issue. My best friend's dad (ObFrüContent: they used to live in Canada) is a conscientious objector, a status he fought for (and obtained) during the Vietnam War. He said that he always found it funny that he had to explain to older and (theoretically) wiser people why he couldn't kill anyone. - --nicole twn - -- "It's up to you now if you sink or swim--just keep the faith that your ship will come in!"--Great Big Sea Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is modified to escape the spammers... sorry for the inconvenience. spam trap: postmaster@localhost admin@localhost abuse@localhost root@localhost ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:23:07 GMT From: "Schwan, Phil" Subject: Re: Holiday Music Jason spake: >Depends if you want the original record version or want to get it on cd. Record...? What's that.....? Phil:) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:27:21 GMT From: Mulder4213@aol.com Subject: Gulf War: Take Two (Was Gulf War Part II, Gulf War Song II, etc) All right, I was delaying posting on this subject for as long as possible, but it appears it's time to throw my two bits into it. Here we are, discussing the morailty of our actions as a nation. Of course, we are discussing said morality from the safety and comfort of our own homes. I was talking to my brother a few minutes ago about us on here, talking about the right and wrong of the whole Gulf War issue all over again. Immediately he got angry, which at first, I thought was silly. But as we argued back and forth, I saw that he has a valid point. He said we should support our troops whether we agree with the strikes or not. I asked him if he could support something that he thought was morally wrong. Instead of answering me directly, he said this: "Who cares if you support their actions! Support our troops, the ones over there dying!" We talked some more, neither of us shouting anymore, and more interesting insights came from both of us. Sure, maybe what we're doing over there is wrong. I'm most definitely not qualified to decide that, so I won't. I'll leave my opinion till the end. Anyway, the men and women of our armed forces; our brothers and sisters, cousins, sons, daughters, etc; are over there, risking their lives to out right something that has been wrong for years. It's not by their choice: they were ordered there. We're not risking our lives. The President isn't. They are. Whether we support these strikes or not, shouldn't we support our family members, our friends that are over there, fighting for freedom? Yes, I'm the first to admit that we might not be over there if it weren't for the oil. If it weren't for the oil, this would all be another Bosnia, a token show of force. The fact is that it's more than that, and we should support our troops. They deserve it, and more importantly, they *need* it. I'm sure I don't need to bring up the last time we in America didn't support our troops, and the trouble it caused for troops and regular citizens alike. I suppose my viewpoint on this issue is clear enough now: I'm in support of the troops *and* their actions. We're not barbarians, civilian loss of life will be kept to a minimum. If that bothers you, think of it this way, the same way that they were forced to think before the bombing of Hiroshima: Would you kill one man to save a thousand? How about 100 men to save a million? Even if those men were civilians? It's a tough choice, one most of us will never encounter. I hope I never do. dan getting off his soapbox ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 20:26:39 GMT From: Alan Sigman Subject: Re: Ro(/u)sh Hashanah petit_chou@juno.com (Heather Moore) wrote: > >Someone asked (I think it was Lori) what Rosh Hashanah was...or maybe she >asked what RUSH Hashanah was, and I'm just randomly spewing knowledge. >Anyway. > >Rosh Hashanah - >It is basically the Jewish New Year. It's right after Yom Kippur in the >fall. Actually, Yom Kippur is always 10 days after Rosh Hashanah. The date is different every year because it's based on the Jewish Calendar, but it always falls sometime in September or October. > >So, you know, I always thought it was funny in the Greatest Man how they >say that there's Rushmas (celebration of birth of saviour) and Rush >Hashanah (New Year). How are those equal? I guess there's really no >Jewish equivalent for Christmas, but the Fruvous comparison always struck >me as amusing. Obviously the comparison in that song is only because "Rosh" sounds like "Rush". I guess you'd call this "poetic license". I guess you could say Hannukah is the Jewish equivalent for Christmas, in that both are December holidays where gifts are exchanged. But of course the original meaning of both holidays is totally unrelated. As for the story behind Hannukah, it has something to do with oil burning longer that was expected, 8 days and 8 nights, hence the Menorah with its 8 candles. I'm sorry to say I don't remember more details of the story; it's been many years since I went to Hebrew School. -Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:05:10 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Happy Rushmas Caitlin sez: >As one of those damned pagans who happily (and occasionally loudly) >celebrates things like the Winter Solstice, I would be more than happy >to have Rush tortured at my bonfire. Consider it a Solstice gift to me... Did anyone else start humming the chorus to Johnny Cash's Ring of Fire? "I went down down down, and the flames burned higher..." Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:16:11 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: Murray sings (was Fruvous Dreams) On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:16:16 GMT petit_chou@juno.com writes: >Heather Moore (with visions of Murray's gams dancing in her head) umm....LOL! Furchild=+) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:13:03 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Ramadan Hey all! Won't be near the computer this weekend, so I wanted to say Shehre-Ramzan-Mubarak to anyone celebrating Ramadan. Mary, off to pick up Beth from LA from the airport... http://www.angelfire.com/pa/mkrause - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:16:16 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: Holiday Music LOL. I never knew, I will HAVE to check that out! Fruchild On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:52:46 GMT "d" writes: >i'm currently still enamored by the ren and stimpy christmas album >including >the seminal classics "we wish you a hairy chestwig" and "fleck the >walls"... > >d > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:16:17 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: The Dave Thread LOL! I'd shine *anything* on *any* of the guys.... Fruchild On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:44:59 GMT epbuckley@my-dejanews.com writes: >does anyone else find it incredibly *sexy* the way dave's scalp seems >to kind >of... glisten... under the lights? i go all ashiver when i see that. >i wish >he'd let me polish it sometime. > >peace, >ellen > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network >==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your >Own > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:09:26 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Ro(/u)sh Hashanah >Actually, Yom Kippur is always 10 days after Rosh Hashanah. Whoops. Thanks, dude. >As for the story behind Hanukkah, it has something to do with oil burning longer that >was expected, 8 days and 8 nights, hence the Menorah with its 8 candles. >I'm sorry to say I don't remember more details of the story; it's been many >years since I went to Hebrew School. The Maccabees only had enough oil for one night's-worth of light, and miraculously the flames burned for eight days. That is why on a dreidel, there are the hebrew letters that stand for the phrase "A great miracle happened there" ("here," if the dreidel is in Israel) - Nun, Gimmel, Heh and Shin. Pretty cool if you ask me. Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:26:33 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Murray sings! Nicole took time from her stupefying studying just to note: >> After all, I AM the little murrmaid. :) ) >I haven't said this yet, so I will now: This is the coolest, >cleverest FrüTitle I've heard. Why thank you Nicole! I take that as high praise, seeing as it comes from a wonder nerd, which I find amazingly cool (and elegantly self-mocking too, which makes it even cooler.) And I have the wenchylady to thank for this, as it never occured to me until she stole my voice. BTW, ladywench, when my aunt got "icicles" she posted me back in a dither, wondering if a fruwench was anything like an intern. *That* was an interesting explanation! Anyone else out there who wants a little Xmas humor on a JPEG, post privately to me or chad -- I didn't want to send it to the whole ng and have y'all suspicious about what kind of mischief this download file would wreak, and it's my impression that people on Juno can't do attached mail anyway. - -Lori ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #137 ********************************************