From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #135 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Happy Rushmas [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Happy Rushmas [Srm9988n@aol.com] Starbucks [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: The Onion ["Sam Patch" ] Re: Gulf War - Part II [fruwench@aol.com (FruWench)] Re: Tripping over my Soapbox (Gulf War Song II) [Chad Schrock ] my $0.02 on the seemingly random murray topics... ["Bridget" ] Murray sings (was Fruvous Dreams) [Srm9988n@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Dec 1998 02:41:10 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Happy Rushmas In article <75b68a$etg$1@clarknet.clark.net>, Ambush wrote: >(Well, if Christmas celebrates the birth of Christ, wouldn't Rushmas, >celebrate the birth of Rush?) > Well, Michaelmas isn't Mike Ford's B'day, so I guess it can mean just a day when you feel groovy about someone. To be linguistic about it, Olde Frenche "Christ messe" meant simply the day of the Catholic Mass celebrated in honor of Christ. The notion that it's his birthday came later. Rushmas should then properly be, let's see, one of the following: April 12, the day in 1861 that Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard struck the definitive blow for States' Rights by ordering his Charleston troops to fire on Fort Sumter. One of the anniversary dates of his divorces from his ex-wives. This could be celebrated as a "Festival of Family Values" My personal preference is Dec. 21, the shortest day of they year. It's dark a lot and cold. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:37:03 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Happy Rushmas Mike, ever alert, beat us all to the punch: >I wanted to make sure to be the >first to wish everybody a merry Rushmas, which, according to >(Well, if Christmas celebrates the birth of Christ, wouldn't Rushmas, >celebrate the birth of Rush?) Yeah, but when's Rush Hashanah anyway? Lori, just wondering ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:35:19 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Starbucks Richard noted: >Oxfam are noted for their fair trade work over here. Check out... > >...which has lots of fair trade links. Mostly European, but I did notice >there were some American links in there. Bridgehead, in Canada, is an Oxfam project. :) >Tinkerty tonk >Richard (who only started drinking coffee after visiting the States...) Oh dear. we've corrupted him! And I was so looking forward to sharing a nice cuppa with him if we ever get the chance to get acquainted! - -- Lori, who only dislikes caffeine when it's carbonated. ******************************* "Cache' dans les bras de Morphe'e je re`gne Ne'mo en exile." Visit Lori's strange and wonderful world! http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index.html http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/index1.html (photos!) http://members.aol.com/srm9988n/sugar.html (Wilmington brownies and other delights!) - - ------------------------------------------------------ `I was a rose in April and still a rose in June, I fear that come the winter I shall no longer bloom.' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:20:12 -0500 From: "Sam Patch" Subject: Re: The Onion I remember when I saw MF in MKE at Shank Hall, November 98, they were making fun of the review of them in The Onion's Audio/Visual section. Funny thing was, it was the exact same review The Onion published when MF came through in 96! - -- Tom "Some things can be done, as well as others." - --Sam Patch http://www.frontiernet.net/~tkieslin Wbsmiles wrote in message <19981217193756.05672.00000758@ng95.aol.com>... >> >>I was reading The Onion yesterday and saw an article that made me think of >>Fruvous: http://www.theonion.com/onion3420/reclining_options.html >> >>Mike >> > Very cool to see someone else reads The Onion! The most hysterical >articles/paper I have ever read, some of it is soooo bad though! You know bad >in that really good way, ;o). You guys should definitely check it out! I >actually gave a friend a subscription this year for Christmas. > >Smiles, > >Wendy :o) > > ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 1998 03:16:25 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Gulf War - Part II Katie quipped: >the NBC anchor dude was wearing a helmet. that confirms to me that things >aren't exactly business as usual in baghdad, Ah, you have touched my one raw nerve. He may have been wearing the helmet JUST to get you to think that. Never, let me repeat that, NEVER trust the media. They will twist the truth, tell half stories, and color the news to get you to believe what ever their political slant tells them to report it as. The helmet confirms NOTHING!! It wouldn't help him anyway, it was there for show. The media has no morals or scruples, they will do ANYTHING to make to see the world they way THEY want you to see it. News is mutable. And when the different channels, newspapers, magazines, etc are done with it, you won't recognize the same incident in two different reports. We are entirely too dependent on the media, we let them form our opinions for us, we let them tell us what to think. Well, start thinking twice. Don't just absorb the News, if it means something to you research it, check more than one source. Form your own opinions. Control your own mind. We do not have to wear the chains of the media. I don't take the warpath much, but this topic is one of my few aggravations. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:07:43 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Tripping over my Soapbox (Gulf War Song II) Jake O'Rama wrote: > Also, the international community, especially France, Russia, France would be pissed regardless of what we did. I was watching the BBC World News last night and they had a report from Moscow about this. Basically, the Foriegn Ministry "regretted that we launched airstrikes." However, there was great gnashing of teeth over the fact that their (Russia's) opinion didn't matter anymore. The Russian leadership was embarrased and the reporter also mentioned the growing "humiliation" of the people, especially those on the right. It was an interesting report. (As for the Russians, it also doesn't help that their ambassador to Iraq and their deputy foriegn minister are away from thier posts for health reasons. Sort of ties their hands, diplomatically.) > and China, are already displeased that we have ordered air I really think that the Chinese are dropping hints that they are replacing the Soviet Union as a superpower. > strikes. Not saying that it's that important if other countries > like us or not, but assassinating the leader of a foreign country > tends to make other foreign leaders a bit nervous. And that's > not always a good thing. And it makes us look like the barbarians that we are. - -- chad at radix dot net I don't nag. I mention the hell out of things. --me. sort of. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:58:30 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Holiday music Kate queried: >are you people totally forgetting about John Denver and the Muppets?!?!?!?! Skip John Denver, but I love Merry Christmas from Sesame Street. The Count singing "All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth ... " That makes my season bright all by itself. :) - -- Lori, who obviously has too much time on her hands ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:54:18 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Moxy Chanukah song Katrin intrigued us with: >> When you are done with that try Gilligan's Island. I see Mike as the Professor. >Aieee! You have no idea what kinds of associations you just made in my >brain, since I've seen an X-rated parody of that show... Whatzitcalled??! WherecanIrentit??! Dave = Thurston Howell III. Jian = Gilligan. And somehow I thought Murr = the Professor, and Mike = the Skipper. Lori, wondering how much more trouble she just caused in k@'s mind... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:42:43 -0600 From: "Jake O'Rama" Subject: Re: Tripping over my Soapbox (Gulf War Song II) > France would be pissed regardless of what we did. No shit! (pardon my French - pun intended). They're still pissed because our bastardized version of English infiltrated their language. jake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:49:09 -0600 From: "Jake O'Rama" Subject: Re: The Onion I went to the show at Shank Hall in 1996, and, at the time, being only 17, was not expecting Shank Hall to be a bar. So, of the 25 people who showed up, myself and a friend of mine had the pleasure of standing outside the place by a door so we could hear what was going on. Of course, whenever we'd try to peek through the small diamond shaped windows on the door, the bouncer would come out and tell us to leave. Man, did he get pissed! We did meet some guy who told us that he saw Moxy very frequently, and that it was the "underground" band. So, perhaps the Onion is just full of schmucks who don't know what the people like. jake **This email presented to you by Jake O'Rama, of the O'Rama family.** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit my web page at "http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~jseiler/"!!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:04:54 -0700 From: "Bridget" Subject: my $0.02 on the seemingly random murray topics... well, here it is - my +ACQ-0.02... i LIKE murray's hair the way it is now. was never overly fond of the long locks. of course, i never saw it in person either, but... and another note, for anyone else who was at the 2nd clinton show (12/4)... was it just me, or did murray's hair look exceptionally good that night...? should murray sing lead more? whoa baby, yes+ACEAIQAhACEAIQ- 'nuff said... - -- over 'n' out xoxoxo bridget (o: 'He who laughs last didn't get it..........' http://www.tapetrading.com/lists/b/n/bnl+AF8-gordon+AEA-msn.com.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:36:59 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Tripping over my soapbox (gulf war song II) Angie wrote: >My feeling then, and my feeling now... was to forget all of these organized >offensives. Send a guerrilla force into Bagdad and deliver Saddam's head on a >silver platter to the UN... impale his body on a stake in front of Lady >Liberty and end it once and for all. I've been trying to avoid this thread, but there you go Angie, twisting my arm and getting me to join in. :) I don't know about the guerilla force thing -- it might be efficient, but it brings up unpleasant connotations of our own "secret police", who give me the creeps -- I don't care whether they're CIA, CSIS, FBI or Interpol, they're all spooky. But my position on this has been that we never finished what we started; that nothing has changed in seven years despite enormous expenditures in military firepower and human life (and quality of life). I don't know why, once we decided the fight was worth joining in the first place, we didn't see it through to the end and put an end to all the misery the Iraqi people have endured. Oh, don't get me wrong, I *know* all the arguments, but imho we have let geopolitical prudence and concern for the "balance of power" override justice at every turn -- with the result that Saddam is stronger than ever, the US and its current and former allies look weaker and less effective than ever, the coalition of agreement we once had on the matter has long been dead, and I don't expect these tactical strikes to do anything permanent either. I know there is no coherent opposition in Iraq -- he's murdered them all. I know lots of politically savvy types are concerned about who replaces Saddam if we remove him. But there's got to be a better way than just slapping him down every few months because he thumbs his nose, builds weapons, and murders his foes while his country and his people are destroyed. It is barbaric. I don't necessarily want him impaled on a stake, but I want him the hell OUT OF THERE. And I think it is sheer cowardice on the part of the US and the international community that prevents his removal -- a fear of the unknown. When the known is so grim for so many, I fail to see how the unknown can hold such horror -- except, for the most part, that the current horror is not felt by the political elite of the western world, and that they prefer a known enemy to an unknown variable. But this strikes me as morally bankrupt. If we could build some sort of allied group again, with nations in the Middle East included, I think his removal from power, and the design of a Marshall-type plan for governing Iraq until there is some sort of self-governing capability developed by Iraqi society, could be devised. Preferably both removal and the new government would be overseen by more local states -- the US and the European powers don't belong in the Middle East as a governing presence, and for the most part are not welcome there, but perhaps Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia or other local governments could jointly lead the process. The alternative is just muddling on through as we have for far too long already, with no real change in anything, until Saddam dies. And that is just way too long for the Iraqi people -- or anyone -- to have to put up with this poorly managed, impoverishing, deadly, and morally reprehensible perpetual crisis. - -- Lori, wishing hard for this to just go away, but doubting it ever will. "This kind of life makes that violence unthinkable." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:46:46 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: my $0.02 on the seemingly random murray topics... mmm. new murray +AD0- better (in my opinion). though i do adore that picture in the bargainville liner notes where jian is wearing the white suit jacket and looking all hall and oates :). +AH4Afg-kate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:49:02 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Gulf War - Part II very true, very true. somehow, though, his fear didn't seem fake, especially with the flashes in the background. good camera angling aside, though--it was unsettling. call me naive--i think the situation in is far from everyday. ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:58:26 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Murray sings (was Fruvous Dreams) Heather is in a jolly mood tonight: >Sing, Murray, SING! Sing your pants off (not an altogether >unappealing prospect)! Let's see, Murray's people want him to sing, sing with long hair or short, sing with pants or without. Just sing. Sing sing sing. I reiterate my dream of a Murray-song set. And he can wear his hair however the heck he wants. He can wear whatever shirt he wants. He can wear a kilt, or goalie pads. I don't care. - -- Lori (yes, you'll find me stage murr. After all, I AM the little murrmaid. :) ) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #135 ********************************************