From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #116 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, December 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 116 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Matthew Shepard [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: another Pointe-Claire review [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: fruvous dreams (yet again) [Fru-Monique ] Re: either/or also: the ethics of pet-keeping [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSy] Mutilations voluntary and involuntary [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: fruvous dreams (yet again) [Caroline ] Re: FruHugs (was Re: Nature Sounds of NGs) [Fru-Monique ] Bottom Line shows [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: California Dreamline [cookie ] Re: another Pointe-claire review [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: Matthew Shepard [nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole] Re: NE Weather (was: Re: either/or) [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: Nature Sounds of NGs [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: Pondering [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Re: Indie Tape [vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin)] Re: fruvous dreams (yet again) [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] Re: Big favour [Fru-Monique ] Re: Moxy Morals [lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD)] Indie Tape [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Dec 1998 19:31:23 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Matthew Shepard In article , cheeky wrote: >>>> Vote at Time's Man of the Year site: >>>> http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/moy/index.html > Keep in mind that Time will pick whomever they please regardless of who is "elected". When they were doing "Person of the Century" or millennium or something like that a while back, an organized internet vote drive was held for some relatively obscure religious leader, who led the poll overwhelmingly. Howard Stern heard about it and "mobilized" his listeners to vote for him. I never heard of the outcome, but I think Stern was leading at one point. Time did make it clear, when that story became an AP item, that they would not feel bound by the results of the internet poll. A vote drive for Time's Thing of the Year? I'm saving my energy. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 19:31:18 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: another Pointe-Claire review In article <19981209235950.29400.00000402@ng139.aol.com>, fruwench@aol.com wrote: >>Brother says: "anyone with a personal relationship with a band is a >>groupie." Well, I'm not deluding myself by any means into thinking I > >>have a personal relationship with any of the guys. And that's not *my* > >>definition of groupie anyway > >A non-fruvous friend of mine defines groupies as "someone who has had sex >with >one or more members of the band in question" > That would include the band members' spouses or lovers. I'd define a groupie as someone who seeks to have sex with members of bands just because they are members of bands. They don't ordinarily develop, or seek to develop, any relationship with the band members, and they seek multiple encounters and keep score. They don't fixate on a particular star, but if they can't get the bass player, will settle for the marimbist. Some don't even fixate on a particular band. Some collected plaster casts of the male band members' members. This may be a myth; I've never heard of anyone who said she did this, or seen anything purporting to be a cast of, say, Leslie West. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:22:00 GMT From: Fru-Monique Subject: Re: fruvous dreams (yet again) Amy tells us, > My recently fruvoused friend told me of a dream she had last night. She was > in NYC watching a rehersal of the Broadway production of Lion King. The cast > is as follows: Timon - Murray Pumba - Dave Scar - Mike Simba - Jian no this > isn't typecasting...not at all....^_^ She told me she couldn't remember much > of the actual rehersal, except that she remembers Mike singing "Be prepared". > At this point I was just trying to keep myself from falling to the floor > laughing..... You're laughing? I'm dying picturing this! > in related news...a week or so ago, I had a dream that Dave came over to my > house to bake chocolate chip cookies before a show....what is it with these > guys and cookies??? Are they not getting enough from us that they take it > upon them selves to bake their own in our houses...not that I'd mind at > all.....^_^ I KNEW I wasn't the only one who dreamed of Fruvous. Just this morning I dreamed that Dave was telling me and some other people about the Queen of Spain, whom he wrote KoS for. She looked just like him, with shoulder-length blonde hair and glasses, and her name was Lisa. Of course, I've had racier dreams. I just don't think they're appropriate for the public. ;) Dreaming right now, Monique == "Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." --Dilbert "Wanna be buried in silk in *my* royal boudoir?" --Me, 6/98 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 19:31:20 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: either/or also: the ethics of pet-keeping In article <6c63c24e.366d70a2@aol.com>, Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: >The deed's been done, and there are skazillions >of little critters out there who would be completely bereft and probably > >dead without their human companions. I wouldn't advocate turning existing pets out; as I mentioned I keep a cat myself (yes, it was a shelter cat). But saying "Oh, la-de-da, it's water under the bridge" is short of an ethical analysis. As I pointed out in my original post, not allowing the present pets to breed would eliminate the problem within a generation (yes, I know it's not that simple). Many (most?) shelters require adopters to neuter the pets they take as a condition of adoption. Others encourage it by taking a fee that is refundable with documentation of neutering. There are still gazillions of them around; people breed their own. It's the kennel-club and cat show crowd that needs to think this over; I reckon there's a snowball's chance in hell of that ever happening. This is an esoteric notion. After all, there are still people (see the recent news from North Carolina) who felt that the slaves in the US were happy and better off before emancipation, and that slavery was a natural social structure. Personally, I can't work up the moral fervor about this issue that I could about slavery. I just have to shake my head when I see a "moral vegetarian" (one who won't eat meat for compassionate reasons) keeping a pet. and: >So if >somebody thinks I'm oppressing her by keeping her as a pet, a living, >highly amusing Furby/throw pillow ...well, I might be, but she seems to >think it's heaven compared to any alternative It's not a matter of oppression so much as a matter of exploitation. The exploited may be quite content with their lot. Like the "contented cows" that vegans won't take the milk of. Again, this isn't something I'm even settled about myself. I just think it bears discussion. Thanks for discussing. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 19:31:16 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Mutilations voluntary and involuntary In article <19981208231502.21583.00003446@ng122.aol.com>, fruwench@aol.com wrote: >Just a reminder that as grossed out as we may be by this, it is a different >culture. These girls are/were brought up this way and in spite of the >pain and >humiliation most would probably feel like outcasts if this mutilation was >NOT >done. Who are we to judge? Ever been to a Bris? Who holds the baby? > Tell me >the child decides. How many men out there are circumcised, was it your >choice? > > There are people who say that female circumcision is done for the purpose of, and has the effect of, preventing the women from feeling most of the pleasure of sexual intercourse. If this is true, then there is no comparison with male circumcision. While I (circumcised) can't say whether sex is better or worse than for a man with an uncut prepuce, nobody is even claiming that it's much different. If it's not true, then it boils down to the kind of cultural/religious thing we probably shouldn't meddle with. Personally, I find both abhorrent, done at any age. I nearly freaked when I found out my sister-in-law had had her infant daughter's ears pierced. I wouldn't arrogate to myself the privilege of telling anyone else not to do it, but I wouldn't allow it to happen to a child of mine. As to the ears (or tongue, eyebrows, nipples, foreskin) of an adult pierced for adornment or stimulation purposes, I wouldn't do any of that to myself, but if someone wants to, they can. Now, what do I do when a person comes to a job interview with me who has a series of staples along one eyebrow? The job is at the kind of professional level where not just respect but good vibes will matter. The staples make me want to vomit, perhaps (for the sake of argument). The person is well qualified. Her personality is good for the kind of job it is. I have another, slightly-less-qualified but unmutilated person to whom I give the job. Suppose I am foolish enough to say to someone, "I would have preferred so-and-so, but for the mutilation". Do I get sued? Should I lose? I know some (maybe many) of you out there have piercings, because I've seen the front rows at a Fruvous show. Do you take them out when you go on interviews? Are you all still in school and haven't thought about it? We have professionals in my office (a multinational gigantic huge mega financial institution) from cultures where noserings are common, and we have low-level workers with all sorts of hardware, but I haven't seen anyone at the managerial level with piercings (apart from ears) who isn't from South Asia. Perhaps it's a generational thing, and lip-studs will be as common as neckties in ten years. I kind of doubt it, given the length of careers; top managers will be anti-piercing for a long time to come. Regards, Ramblin' Steve Spurious FruContent: My wife made a delicious onion soup with wild rice last night, and was debriefing me about it after dinner (something she usually does after making something new. I do the same when I'm the cook). Having established that it was good, yes, very good, delicious even, she asked, "Well, so you would serve this to people you don't know?" And I replied, "Darlin', I would serve this to the ____ of _____!" (Fill in the blanks). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:05:38 GMT From: Caroline Subject: Re: fruvous dreams (yet again) Monique wrote: >I KNEW I wasn't the only one who dreamed of Fruvous. You're certainly not. ;) I had a dream that I was happily FruTripping (to Canada!) with lots of fun FruHeads, only to wake up and realize that it's the middle of English class and I'd just missed half an hour of notes on The Rape of the Lock... Perhaps it has to do with the fact that an hour before in religion lecture my professor said something about "amelioration" and I almost laughed remembering Mike's comment during "the Tone" improv from Kirkland... Fruvous on the brain, I guess. ;) ~Caroline ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "toda la noche caminamos durmiendo y cuando despertamos eras intacta y nueva..." - Pablo Neruda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:57:30 GMT From: Fru-Monique Subject: Re: FruHugs (was Re: Nature Sounds of NGs) I can't stop adding to this thread. Maybe because I started it. > > Angie reflects: > > *sigh* FrüHugs... I have to say the only FrüLad I've not yet hugged > would be > > Mike. In all honesty, he rather intimidates me. The few times I've > been near > > him, he's been... kind of unapproachable. He's polite, nice, and > smiles... > > but unlike the other guys did not immediately throw an arm over my > shoulder > > when I asked for a picture. > I've never hugged Mike either. On a side note, what makes me a little sad is that Jian and Murray gave me hugs, while I had to *ask* Dave for one. (Actually, now that I think about it, he probably would've hugged me anyway, but I beat him to it. :P) But unapproachable, Mike? At the 10/15 show I went to (my last one), I gave up my place in the Jian line to talk to Mike, who was two feet away from me. It was worth it, too, because we stood there for about ten minutes. And I had never really talked to him before. > >No biggie, I still think he's great, just not > > really crazy about having his personal space >encroached. > Now *that* I understand. I'm always a little apprehensive about speaking to any of the guys, like they're thinking, "Oh great, another fangirl, and she'll probably want a picture. What, I have to give her a hug? I don't know where she's been!" But that usually melts away after they smile all sweet and compliment my Murray-like shirts. (10/15 was *great!* Y'all should read my review on FDC) > > Jian is always too busy talking to younger girls, but I'm patient > and wait my > > turn in line and after a moment he'll notice and pause to say hello > and > > perhaps pay a compliment on my baking... > Are you the one with the FruBars? What are those? > > > Can you tell the Clinton 12/3 show is my new fave Frü experience? > Have I not > > ranted and raved about it enough yet? > Ranting is fun!! > Lost in memories (and recalled hugs immersed in warm fuzzy sweaters..oh dear, how mushy), Monique == "Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." --Dilbert "Wanna be buried in silk in *my* royal boudoir?" --Me, 6/98 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 20:18:55 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: fruGifts for Fruvous? kat asked: > if you were going to get one (or all) frulad(s) a present for the holidays, >what would it be? I'd give them one of the plectrum dulcimers I'm building, in hopes they'd use it on a song or two. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 20:18:57 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Indie Tape In article <367211B6.5C88CF14@mnsi.net>, pookie wrote: >I think we should tell him that he's not an actual fruhead b/c he would >never >sell the original copy of the indie tape if he was .....also i think we >should all spam his email. > Two wrongs don't make a right, though three lefts do. We should spam everyone who's not a fruhead? Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:06:16 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Matthew Shepard actually, i think the "person of the century" voting is still going on, and while jesus christ is still in first place, the top twenty also includes eric cartman, trey anastasio, sarah mclachlan, and ric flair. ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 20:18:50 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Bottom Line shows Is it the case that Moxy Fruvous is opening for Dan Bern at the Bottom Line? The tickets list his name first. I can't imagine a Moxy Fruvous show followed by anything else. On the other hand, prior to Katonah, I couldn't imagine a Moxy Fruvous show at all, apart from listening to "Live Noise". I've never heard of Dan Bern, so I looked around on the web and listened to a few lo-fi clips from his first album. Kind of sounds like Dylan. I don't know if I'd enjoy too large a dose of Dylan himself. I certainly wouldn't enjoy a large dose of lo-fi clips of anyone, so I'm not going to judge based on that. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:22:38 -0800 From: cookie Subject: Re: California Dreamline Chad Maloney wrote: > > cookie wrote: > > I missed the original post, but does this mean Moxy is performing at the > > Roxy on the 7th (as opposed to the web page which says it's a tentative > > date on the 6th?) Please clarify > > Here's Jude's post if some of your newsservers dropped it. > > Jude said: > > > > We have a California date on January 7, 1999 at The Roxy in Los Angeles! > > > > Please email or call with questions!! > > > > Jude > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Judith Coombe, Management Assistant > > Moxy Fruvous 416-368-5599 moxy@passport.ca www.fruvous.com > > Hope that helps! I sure hope Beth from LA is gonna be there. I think she's > from around there, somewhere. > > - Chad Yes, it certainly does! Thank you so much. I don't know a Beth, but I'll certainly look for her for you as I'm driving around town! :-) Cookie ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 20:18:52 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: another Pointe-claire review In article , Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > I just don't consider having a really good time, and seeking to >replicate it whenever possible, to be indicative of a problem, or particularly >strange behavior. Think of the scene in "Annie Hall" where Woody Allen screws up trying to cook the lobster, gets scared of it and chases it comically all over the floor while Diane Keaton cracks up and thinks he's cute and the later scene where he's got another date and does the same thing and she just blows smoke and looks ennuiée. Not that going to a concert is anything like that. Your statement just triggered off a pleasant movie memory. My wife just agreed that it would be fun to see both shows on New Year's Day (we had planned on only the late show). Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:32:16 GMT From: nicole.the.wonder.nerd.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: Matthew Shepard On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:06:16 -0500, someone looking suspiciously like "KatieWow" whispered these words: >actually, i think the "person of the century" voting is still going on, and >while jesus christ is still in first place, the top twenty also includes >eric cartman, trey anastasio, sarah mclachlan, and ric flair. >~~kate Is John Flansburgh still up there? Over on the TMBG list, they're devoting no small amount of time and effort to get-out-the-vote efforts. - --nicole twn - -- "It's up to you now if you sink or swim--just keep the faith that your ship will come in!"--Great Big Sea Visit Nicolopolis! http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~carlsonn Reply-to address is modified to escape the spammers... sorry for the inconvenience. spam trap: postmaster@localhost admin@localhost abuse@localhost root@localhost ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 21:14:21 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: NE Weather (was: Re: either/or) In article <74i03f$lr8$1@excalibur.flash.net>, "valerie wrote: > or whatnot This proves, if nothing else does, Valerie's Baltimorean credentials! Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 21:14:19 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Nature Sounds of NGs In article <74jm9t$4st$1@knot.queensu.ca>, Gruneberg wrote: >Why do professors always >try to cram a whole lot of assignments into the last possible shred of >time? Because they procrastinate, just like we do. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 21:14:23 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Pondering ammf@fruvous.com writes: >"But, Brain, if we give peas a chance, won't the lima beans get >jealous?" - Pinky I have a couple of t-shirts -- shreds of t-shirts, now, really -- that I got over twenty years ago. One shows a spilled can of peas, each of which has the outlines of the continents on it. The caption is "World Peas". The other shows a globe with a spiky-haired kid standing on the North Pole dumping a can of peas on the world below. "Peas on Earth" is the caption. Of course, there is the much later widespread bumper sticker "Visualize Whirled Peas". Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:12:27 GMT From: vika@ibm.net (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: Indie Tape lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) delighted us with: >Two wrongs don't make a right, though three lefts do. We should spam everyone >who's not a fruhead? No, but if he's trying to make money off of someone else's art, I say let the f***er suffer. - -v, who hasn't flooded him with nasty e-mail only because she doesn't know his e-mail addie Vika Zafrin vika@ibm.net "The wonderful thing about Shakespeare is that when it's done well, it makes people feel smarter than they are. As opposed to dumber than they are. There is really no in-between." - Spencer Golub ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:13:00 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: fruvous dreams (yet again) On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:05:38 GMT Caroline writes: >Monique wrote: >>I KNEW I wasn't the only one who dreamed of Fruvous. > >You're certainly not. ;) True true. You are not the only one. When I first started focusing on Fruvous as an active pasttime I too started to have dreams... I dreamed about traveling with the band. They paid my way 'cause I offered my services to them. My services, you may ask? *grin grin* Not that, but not to far off. I plan to minor in massage, so I would give them massages after their kick a$$ shows. I conscienously made a decision to stop dreaming that cause it could get ify. Now when I travel with the band I work as a Tobey #2. Fruchild =+) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:19:53 GMT From: Fru-Monique Subject: Re: Big favour Lynne tells us, > My goodness its only Mid December.... > Me? Josh Woodward? any of the other 10-15 people that may be going up > there that weekend.. once we start making plans in February.. A few of us > are going to MI and Windsor in January, we know we are going, but we havent > even begun to make plans... I like to plan ahead. ;) And now that Juliette's home the two of us are planning more. Like how to mention to our parents that we're scheming...and how to get more money. > My best advice: figure out how to get here to BG, when that is settled, > let me or "joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu" (he maintains the campus fruvous listproc" > and we will get you there... > relax.. breathe enjoy the holidays... The holidays will be enjoyed tenfold once these bloody finals are over. And of course I'll be figuring out how to get to BG. It was worth a shot to ask about Columbus, I wagered. Now back to my film paper. Thanks so much in advance!! Always planning, Monique _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 1998 21:14:17 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Moxy Morals In article <74ip50$q79$1@elsewhere.fragment.com>, melzie@elsewhere.fragment.com wrote: >I'm not big on the fake ID thing. It puts the clubs that support our >music scene in jeapordy. The clubs could admit underage people to shows if they were willing to take on the extra work needed to validate customers' right to drink. Keeping underagers out is simply a shotgun way to avoid the issue. The law (and I'm talking about my home state, since the 21st amendment of the US constitution delegates most of the authority over regulating alcohol to the states) provides only that minors may not be served alcohol, not that they may not enter places that serve alcohol. I've been to places where you show an ID at the door and get a stamp on your hand. Without the stamp, you're welcome to enjoy the show and any non-alcoholic beverages. Simple, but many clubs won't bother. The big problem is the paranoid stance of many jurisdictions toward alcohol and other drugs. "Zero tolerance" and demonizing wine, beer, and marijuana along with heroin and meth have a lot of ill effects in society. The recent campus deaths-by-binge that have kept handwringers busy I blame on zero tolerance. You seal a kid up in a world where there is such tremendous pressure exerted about drinking, then you spit him out into college, where there are no authoritarian stays to his behaviour; what do you expect? Drugs and alcohol are just chemicals. Abuse of these substances is a symptom of a disease of alienation, moral rudderlessness and intellectual impoverishment, not a disease in itself. Zero tolerance is the uptight world's way of covering up its own complicity in the problems that lead to abuse. Regards, Steve "Say hi to Dave's liver for me" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:14:21 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Indie Tape Heather, you are the best! Your first response promted my mom to subdue me cause I was laughing so hard. Im glad you have spoken, and Im also glad that you feel the same as me. I would probably pay over 80$ if Moxy themselves were selling it to me. I just dont want this sleezeball getting my money! Fruchild On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:34:17 GMT petit_chou@juno.com writes: >La Nina del Fru wrote: >> Guys, remember that Gemm.com indie tape? >[snip snip snip] >>Why didn't he just sell it to the 1st person who asked? It >> seems a bit seedy to me. > >And me! I got a similar e-mail from Senor Creepo, and promptly placed >it in the trash ("recycle bin," actually). Hard to find as the tape >is, and as much as it's worth far more than the $41 he's asking (to >me, that is), I refuse to give my hard earned cashola to that >money-grubbing poo-face. My dollars are to be used for good, not >evil. I do not support the extortion of unassuming Frufolk. Down >with bastards! > >Then Pookie wrote: >>...also i think we should all spam his email. >>p.s. porn is a good way to slow down his mail. > >I firmly support this idea. Sleezy yuck-heads deserve falsified >"photos" of "women." Yeah yeah yeah! > >So then Jack "Pax" Porcello wrote: >>It's just that I'm getting those *NO* feelings about this whole >thing. > >Just say NO to bastards, just say YES to sending them porn. > >Heather has spoken. > >Heather Moore > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #116 ********************************************