From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #86 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, December 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: feeling old [Chad Schrock ] Re: A real Spanish Inquistion/Ithaca set list [Chad Schrock ] Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? [Lynne Fisher ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 22:51:33 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: feeling old Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > Helpful and attentive chad wrote: Hey, I try. > > A friend of mine turned 30 last December. He didn't take > > it well. I should also mention that he a significant other now, and he is much happier now. She's also keeping him in line, too. > > Of course, I had to help him in any way that I could. > > > > I just reminded him that in 6 and a half years, I would be as > > old as he was then. It seemed to help him a lot. > Oh, c'mon chad, you can do better than that! You coulda > congratulated him on entering his fourth decade. Well, a bunch of us were 'congratulating' him. It was kind of sad, actually. Sort-of like the perverbial fish in the barrel. (Especially the already-over-30-people. They were heartless.) > Or sent him a bouquet of black roses, like one of my friends' > sister-in-law did. Something to really mark the occasion. > :-D No, that's just tacky. :) - -- chad at radix dot net I pay attention. I only pretend to care. --me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 22:47:10 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: A real Spanish Inquistion/Ithaca set list Vika Zafrin wrote: > NPR (National Public Radio) has been pretty good about that. > Granted, they get *their* stuff largely from BBC, but hey, > at least they air it. True. That's good then. (I haven't been listening to NPR lately.) > -v, who came to actually *like* "All Things Considered," with > all these long drives from Boston to Providence and back 5-6 > days a week Ack! You poor dear. Not listening to ATC, but having to do that drive so often. ATC is actually pretty good, I listen to it at work every once in a while. Plus, they can't be all *that* bad. They had Früvous on, right? :) (And the presenter actually "got" them, too!) (Lately I won't listen to the radio at all at work, because they mention the weather and it makes me hate being stuck in a basement office even more. It's been in the low/mid-70s here for the past couple of days. That's just *not* right.) - -- chad at radix dot net Like, ohmygod! A post with Früvous related content! It's like, a sign, or something. Fersure. ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1998 04:10:33 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: feeling old At forty-five, I must take exception to the person who said "just shoot me when I'm fifty". Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1998 04:10:39 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? In article , Eve wrote: >Well, the main reason I always heard to be vegan is that consuming animal >products results from the often brutal enslavement of animals. Which brings up pets. Do we have the right to enslave animals to be our comforting throw-pillows? Isn't pet-keeping exploitation? Just asking, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1998 04:10:24 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: a real spanish inquisition/ithaca setlist In article , Eve wrote: >Oh...fruvous content--I've been thinking that MF should write a humorous >song about militant vegans. Not that militant vegans are laughable, they >just need to lighten up a little sometimes. > Check out Tom Paxton's "Don't Slay That Potato". On his album "One Million Lawyers". Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1998 04:10:21 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: My team's bigger than yours... In article <29f549e9.3667f14d@aol.com>, Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: >> It would be cooler to hear them do both anthems at Camden >> Yards sometime this summer. >> >> /hintHintHINT!! > >Or at the Vet. /hinthinthinthinthinthintHintHintHINT!!!! more hints than > >chad, I win! :) > Or in da Bronx! Actually, having watched a whole season of baseball on TV, I can attest that they don't show the Anthem on TV unless it's the Series. May we hope for an Expos-Yankees matchup? Sounds unlikely. The Blue Jays are in the wrong league. Regards, Steve Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1998 04:10:43 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: To Herb or not to Herb? tehe=+) In article <19981204210912.08079.00000131@ng-fb2.aol.com>, jacey7@aol.com wrote: >I've been completely off of red meat for over a year now (except for one >unintentional "pea soup" incident. Can someone tell me why there is PIG >in >*pea* soup??? I think this is definitely a case of false advertising...) > Soup generally is stock or broth with stuff in it. The stock or broth is generally made from meat, because meat makes good stock or broth. If you get Vegetable Soup, make sure you get "Vegetarian Vegetable" if you don't want meat stock in it. Campbell's carries both kinds. Conventional vegetable soup is made in a beef or chicken stock. Frucontent: dja notice that most of what Johnny Saucep'n makes is or contains meat? Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:07:49 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: a real spanish inquisition/ithaca setlist Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > chad wrote: > > > > going to be a whopper. (Not junior. whopper.) > > /As all the vegetarians groan. :) > Metaphorically speaking only! Used to love whoppers, but > lately I just can't do it. Fast food in general is just > gagful. (which is supremely difficult with a ten-year-old.) go vegetarian, then. :) One of my fav foods is pasta rings and franks. In a "Kids' Meal" can. Cool stuff. (Available at Fresh Fields) > > It would be cooler to hear them do both anthems at Camden > > Yards sometime this summer. > > /hintHintHINT!! > Or at the Vet. /hinthinthinthinthinthintHintHintHINT!!!! > more hints than chad, I win! :) Yeah, but the fact that they came back to Baltimore this fall proves that they like us more. > 'Course, I'll be magnanimous with my prize and tell 'em to go > back to 'Naplis, 'cause they're always in Philly anyway. Lori, dear, bite moi. :) - -- chad at radix dot net I pay attention. I only pretend to care. --me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:06:53 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: coupla things (religious thread included, too!) Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > chad observed: > > > The only time that I have been in a Unitarian church, I had a > > great time and would do it again in a heartbeat. :) > Likewise! Ohhhh... June.... are you listening? :) > > I guess it could even be described as a religious experience. > > Just stretch those definitions to fit, as needed. :) > But I don't think the choir's usually that good. Probably not. Now, to yank the religious thread into yet another thread, I used to go to church. I was raised Methodist. Very suburban Methodist. The type of Methodist where there would be much consternation and worrying if you sat in the third pew, instead of the usual fourth pew. (Also, being the only person there reasonably close to my age wasn't a great motivator, either. Plus, I'm not a big fan of the pot-luck supper.) Plus, many things that The Church was/is doing really turned me off to much of the organized, large-scale, Christian church experience. From what I was taught long ago, I can not support their actions for many reasons. Right now, I really don't know what I believe. I like and relate to bits and pieces of most of the Eastern religions (Christianity being one of them), but I am also looking at the pagans (thanks to a couple of close friends of mine). I feel like I am at a spiritual flea market or rummage sale. For those interested, there is an interesting article in a recent "Utne Reader" about designing your own god and/or religion. Actually though, now, I spend most of my time at two local churches: Bedside Baptist and the First Church of the Innerspring. - -- chad at radix dot net "Of course I'm not *the* God. Just a minor deity. Sheash." --me to Arthur when he questioned such things. ------------------------------ Date: 05 Dec 1998 04:10:26 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Distribution of wealth in US Josh Drury queried, quite reasonably: >Bodaceah wrote: >> Here in the United States 10% 0f the population holds 90% of the wealth. > >It's that steep? I'd believe the figure if it's worldwide, or within >the states if it were more like 20% holding 80%; where do these figures >come from? Statistics like htese are hard to pin down. If you define "wealth" in different ways, you can get a wide variety of numbers on its distribution. A simple Yahoo search on "Wealth" discovered three pages of scams and schemes for increasing your personal share of same before spreading out into other aspects. A desultory further search revealed the following quotes from sources I considered at least persuasive. Most of them were found from articles in, or links from, the Electronic Policy Netork, a WWW project of The American Spectator, a scholarly, albeit acknowledged liberal, magazine. All these refer to wealth in the U.S. From "Spreading the Wealth", an article by Robert Kuttner, co-editor of the American Prospect, we get that the top 1% owns 50% (http://epn.org/kuttner/bk980316.html) In 1989, a much more detailed report (http://epn.org/prospect/22/22wolf.html) showed the top 1% owing 39%, with the top 20% owning about 83%. Reading the article is instructive: it discusses the definition used of "wealth" and what the percentages would be under diofferent definitions. A very fair-seeming article, full of statistics and explicit about quibbles, but out of date. In an article from this year, (http://epn.org/reich/reich_naptime.html) the top 1% hold "more than 35%". A 1998 article advocating a "wealth tax" that I found by searching epn.org for "wealth distribution" says that the top 1% own 39% of all wealth, and close to 50% of "financial wealth". Presumably, this latter category excludes home ownership and jewelry. Not easy to get a handle on a number so easily bandied about. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:54:42 -0500 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? LeSystemeD wrote: > In article Eve wrote: > > >Well, the main reason I always heard to be vegan is that > >consuming animal products results from the often brutal > >enslavement of animals. > > Which brings up pets. Do we have the right to enslave animals > to be our comforting throw-pillows? Isn't pet-keeping exploitation? You don't have a cat, do you? - -- chad at radix dot net I pay attention. I only pretend to care. --me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:37:47 GMT From: Lynne Fisher Subject: Re: Herbivore or Carnivore? Eat what you want... thats my opinion. But.. my question >80% of the grain grown in the US goes to feed animals who will later be >killed for meat or milked or egged. (egged?) milked... here is where I begin to wonder and doubt this philosphy or way of life (which doesnt matter cuz I don't have to be a part of it) but when I heard this about vegans.. I thought: "Um, cant drink milk, from cows (etc..)? but um, won't they explode or something?" My friend Pete and I kinda laughed, but seriously, females who give birth need to somehow get rid of that milk if they choose not to breast feed. More thought: "And wool from sheep, can you imagine the dreads?" - -Lynne I dont eat red meat, but only cuz I went to college and learned it was the unidentifiable food that they served ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #86 *******************************************