From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #75 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Thursday, December 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re:Feeling Old [drea1@my-dejanews.com] Re: Greeting from Scotland [Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca>] Re: Feeling Old ["valerie jones" ] Re: Feeling Old ["KatieWow" ] RE:Feeling Old ["Jack S. Porcello" ] Re: Feeling Old [shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson)] A real Spanish Inquistion/Ithaca set list [Srm9988n@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 03:18:12 GMT From: drea1@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re:Feeling Old > When I was 13 (was it that long ago?) I watched both 30-something and my > so-called life. I've been trying to stay out of this thread but I remembered something today that *really* made me feel old - my sister will be *18* in a month and a half *sigh* When I was 13, Live Aid was still a year away, and Duran Duran's 'The Reflex' went to #1 that year...I keep reminding myself that I'm at least four years younger than all of Früvous, but that 'soon I'll be 30' thing is sneaking up on me *sigh* Drea (27, but feeling a hell of a lot older right now) "Everyone's a novelist, and everyone can sing...but no one talks when the tv's on..." - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 1998 03:02:15 GMT From: Gruneberg Veronica J <6vjg@qlink.queensu.ca> Subject: Re: Greeting from Scotland I don't know about Scotland not being exotic. My housemate (roommate, whatever) is here on exchange from Australia, and she has the most wonderful pictures. Including the Isle of Skye (brain fried by finals. Excuse any spelling mistakes) And there is definitely something to be said for the traditional Scottish dress... I love kilts. My university has a deep Scottish tradition from way back Queen Victoria time, and our marching band wears the full uniform (trust me, the last thing you want to be doing on parade in Canada in the winter is wearing a kilt. BRRRR!!!) So many, many guys here wear them to formals and such. Wet and cold I'll give you, though. But then again, lots of people say the same thing about Canada. Especially the cold part! :) I hate studying. Procrastination, on the other hand... :) Veronica - -- *************************************************************************** "Hey Mr. Santa Claus, | Veronica Gruneberg I believe in you because | Dept. of Biology last year all my parents got me | Queen's University was a trip to Missisagua!!" | Kingston, Ontario - Arrogant Worms "It's cool in many ways to be Canadian..." -Arrogant Worms ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:10:00 -0500 From: "valerie jones" Subject: Re: Feeling Old This thread called out to me and I thought I'd comment, and also take a moment to introduce myself to the group. I fell in love with Fruvous when they headlined for Eddie From Ohio this past summer. I'd never heard Fruvous before and was tempted to leave after EFO 'cause it was soooo hot out. But the crowd seemed so excited and energized that I realized I had to join the fun. And I am so so so glad I stayed because -- well you all know why!! I've seen them 5 times now. We (me and my boyfriend, Dan) will be at the NYC 1/1 and 1/2 shows. So I hope to meet some of you there. We live in Baltimore, btw. Now, as for this "feeling old" stuff. I'm 30something and Dan's 28 -- he's a drummer and he loves metal and industrial music. All the shows he takes me to involve mosh pits and stage diving (and no, I don't participate in those activities!). :) After spending 9 hours at Ozzfest last August in a crowd of 19,000 guys too young to buy beer . . . I'll just say I feel -very- comfortable at Fruvous shows, thank you. :) Moxy's the first band we "found" together, so that makes it all the more special. I really enjoy reading this n.g. You folks are the best! valerie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:36:33 -0500 From: "KatieWow" Subject: Re: Feeling Old yay!!! another baltimore people!!! ~~kate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 03:57:30 GMT From: "Jack S. Porcello" Subject: RE:Feeling Old Hey, I used to feel old whenever I looked at Lorraine. She's 26, and I am 38. But after being with her fo a couple years, and attending so many events (including Fruvous shows) together with so many people representing such a diversity of age groups, I feel younger each day! Gee, I hope this doesn't have the opposite effect on her! :) Peace, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 03:54:09 GMT From: "Jack S. Porcello" Subject: Re: Inquisitions Ok, allow me to be confusing for a little bit. Yes, I do consider myself a Christian. No, I don't consider myself religious. I believe that religion is something that you *DO* to make yourself more or less worthy to be accepted into some sort of order or by some sort of deity. Religion is something that makes people follow after other people. It is what causes people to settle for less than they can have or be because someone says that they don't deserve it. It is what fuels the furnace of war and unrest, and what justifies one group of people in their abuses of another group that they believe to be inferior or less worthy. Faith is what allows us to reach out to each other and help each other and be here for each other and accept each other and love each other. Faith gives us the power to ook beyond my long hair and your short hair and her tye-dyed t-shirt and his business suit and our skin colour and their hair colour, and just to see each other as what we are. People. And people are brought together by common threads, of which the most important is the need to be accepted and acceptable, loved and to love. You know, faith is really demonstrated here in this ng and amoung Fruheads all over. We have so many different faces, such diverse cultures, and such an amazing collection of opinions, yet we come together in a common ground as simple yet as complex as music and light banter, and for a short time we are made to face the truth about ourselves and to accept the truth about others, so that when it is all over we come away with a little bit of each other, and thus a little bit better for it. Can I get an "amen?" :) Peace, Jack (stepping away from the pulpit) ------------------------------ Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:27:43 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Ithica Review In article <19981202174656.12495.00000103@ng-fa2.aol.com>, dgodwin01@aol.com wrote: >Cheek to Cheek: A cover. With a Ithica reference thrown in. > I'm in heaven. I wish I were there. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:27:51 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: RE: Feeling old In article <7F76BD657941D1118AEF00805FFEC9C001FB3C7C@exch3>, "Demetriou, wrote: > >Another opinion: I think Moxy would have been great soundtrack music for >"Thirtysomething." Or for "My So-called Life." > I haven't watched TV since 1971. They would have been a great soundtrack to Anything produced that year. >Melanie >29 with experience (alright, fine, I'm 34. Happy?) I'm 45. Is your last name Sofka? regards, Steve "Lay down, lay down, lay it on down. Let your white bird fly up" ------------------------------ Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:27:14 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: A Real Spanish Inquisition (was Re: inquisitions In article <3665F302.A7BAAAE8@radix.net>, Chad wrote: >The Spanish >gov't served an extradition request on the British gov't while >he was in the UK. This would be roughly the same as the >Mexicans arresting Newt Gingrich (while he was in Mexico) for >something he did to Canadians while he was in office. This is absurd unless you add "at the request of the Canadians, who issued a warrant under international law for crimes against Canadians undertaken in Georgia or Washington under orders from Newt." Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:27:29 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: America, it's right here south of Canada, north of Mexico In article <5679946a.366495c9@aol.com>, Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: >>Mais Marie-Claude Je suspecte que l'expression <<États-Uniens>> est un >mot >>de quebecois, pas francais. N'est-ce pas? > "Etats-Unis" c'est francais. Je ne connais pas "Etats Uniens". ------------------------------ Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:27:38 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: Ithica Review In article <19981202174656.12495.00000103@ng-fa2.aol.com>, dgodwin01@aol.com wrote: >There Comes a Time (I think that's what they said it was, although Cal's >setlist says "Comes a Time"): This song kinda reminded me of the Barenaked >Ladies song, "She's on Time" I don't know if it was the beat, or the >similarity of the titles/chorus'. > There's a Neil Young "Comes a Time", though it was from a period in which he did a bunch of Ian Tyson songs, and it's one of those calm sort of songs that suggest it might be an intra-Canadian borrowing. Is it this, or something else? Regards, Steve "Guardian of Folk Process" ------------------------------ Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:26:53 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: a question... In article <73uchb$9mg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, cricket5@hotmail.com wrote: > you should just >try to comfort yourself with the knowledge that the band does try to come >up >with a unique show - not only night after night, but also trying to keep >it >different from the last time that played that area. I have to say that I'm impressed with the lads for being able to do original shows when so many folks follow them from venue to venue. Think about it. Most performers get to repeat things that were once "improvs". Moxy Fruvous can't do that because they have to know the same people are out there! I'm impressed that they entertain comfortably again and again. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:26:51 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: Re: a question... In article , "Robert wrote: >epbuckley@my-dejanews.com wrote in message ><73me17$41f$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > i've not yet heard someone >>yell "FREE BIRD," so i can't figure out why asking for a song would be >a >bad >>thing. > >*I* have. And I'd just like to tell that person to stop it. It's annoying >as >hell. There. Got it off my shoulders. > In a New Yorker article by a guy who followed The Sputniks, a punk band from Montana, I read that people at punk shows often shout out requests for "Free Bird" as an existential absurdity. I'm kind of partial to existential absurdities, but performers might not be. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 03 Dec 1998 04:26:50 GMT From: lesystemed@aol.com (LeSystemeD) Subject: R E S P E C T. Find out what it means to me. In article <19981202.125800.-220421.0.petit_chou@juno.com>, petit_chou@juno.com wrote: >Yes yes yes. Neither is Jewish or Muslim or Buddhist or Pagan or Wiccan, >or any other OPINION for that matter. Religion (or decided lack thereof) >is a choice like any other, and we should respect one another's right to >choose. Please read this carefully and with an open mind. I mean no offense to those who mean no offense to others. Opinions are not sacred because they are opinions. And they are certainly not sacred because they are couched in religious terms. People frequently say "I have a right to an opinion," and yeah, they do. But that opinion may be objectively wrong or just silly. For the most part, it doesn't matter if you hold a wrong opinion (the earth is made of Cocoa Puffs and Smarties, there are 18 ears of corn in a niblets (at least a 4-ounce one), etc.), because most opinions are wrong or at least incomplete, but not dangerous, and we deal somehow. People frequently say, "I have a right to have an opinion, so you have no right to criticize it." They are wrong. People frequently say, "You have to respect people's religious beliefs." You have to do no such thing. You have a right to an opinion, right? What about the opinion that a religious belief is wacko (or Waco, or Michigan, for that matter)? If people's religious beliefs seem objectively wrong, or hurtful to the rest of society ("I must kill doctors who perform abortions" or "I'm an Aryan and We must wipe out Jews"), or if they are just not persuasive to you, then they have no right to expect your respect. No opinions have a right to expect respect without earning it. Civility requires that we not point out too frequently or directly our opinions of the error of others' ways when they are not dangerous or material. "We should respect others' right to choose..." a religious belief only to the extent that we in fact respect that choice. Respect is not a thing to be (grudgingly or not) conferred on every applicant because it's owed regardless of the content of the beliefs espoused. Respect is only respect when it's earned. We should, to avoid civil chaos, not be too forward in criticizing unrespectable beliefs unless and until those beliefs threaten civility (or humanity) themselves. Let us rather say "We should forebear criticizing aloud unless it's urgent" rather than "We should respect". Respect means too much to dole it out too liberally. Too many religious beliefs are "poisonous righteous". Several of the religions you mention include dogma that is offensive to me. And I have the right to the opinion that it is offensive. If I refrain from pointing out specifically every offensive point of each one, it is civility, and not respect, that holds me back. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition; nobody expects the Holocaust -- but they both arose from the same sort of religious prejudice, and in fact the Jews were the primary victims of the former abomination as of the latter. Torquemada believed sincerely, in all likelihood. Schickelgruber we won't try to psychoanalyze. Belief is a great comfort to those who believe. Regards, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:44:51 -0600 From: "Jake O'Rama" Subject: Stuff So, one quick question. Does anyone know how I could get my hands on some fatty taped shows of the Fruv? I've got some of an Iron Horse show, but I'm looking to increase my collection. These guys are great, but, of course, everyone reading this posting already knows that. Thanks, Jake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:38:23 GMT From: shazalinrea@juno.com (Mindy J Munson) Subject: Re: Feeling Old On Thu, 03 Dec 1998 03:57:30 GMT "Jack S. Porcello" writes: >Hey, I used to feel old whenever I looked at Lorraine. She's 26, and >I am 38. But after being with her fo a couple years, and attending >so >many events (including Fruvous shows) together with so many people >representing such a diversity of age groups, I feel younger each day! > >Gee, I hope this doesn't have the opposite effect on her! :) > >Peace, > >Jack > So there is hope of me getting one of the band members..... =+) Fruchild (mindy) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 04:42:39 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: A real Spanish Inquistion/Ithaca set list chad said re: Pinochet: >Pay very close attention to the Spanish case if he is >extradited to Spain. A whole bunch of *very* embarrassing >inconvenient facts about US involvement will most likely be >introduced as evidence by the Spainards.) Which is a good thing. People do need to be bludgeoned with knowledge of our nefarious dealings occasionally. Of course, that's assuming they'll pay any attention ... which is a mighty big assumption, given the collective attention span and preoccupation with more amusing things than detention, torture, disappearance and US accessorism thereto. :P >This would be roughly the same as the >Mexicans arresting Newt Gingrich (while he was in Mexico) for >something he did to Canadians while he was in office. Now that would be a truly great thing. >> Thoughts? >It is a ton more interesting and actually about something >legitamate, as compared to the festering pox that is going >on DC right now. Here here. and chad has to practically *live* there. most of the rest of us just can't escape it through being plugged in (active, informed citizens that we are.) >I pay attention. >I only pretend to care. > --me Umm, is this what you tell the customer or your supervisor? on the Ithaca thread: >>If you ever knew (could have been If only you knew, I had >> trouble hearing this one) >Does anyone else get the feeling that this will be on the >next album? (Especially after reading Dan's review....) I am just drooling in anticipation of that new album. It's going to be a whopper. (Not junior. whopper.) >> O Canada >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I'll say it again, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can we harmonize? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do wish they'd record this too. - -- Lori ******************************* Welcome to: The Big Sig! -- variations on a restful theme. "fru gud me sleep now" -- Dante B. "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. 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