From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #45 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, November 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tying in the Name-That-Kate thread... ["Tyler Ward" ] Re: The Daves i know.. [Sheryl Stoller ] Re: A Distinct Lack of Degrees [Sheryl Stoller ] Re: Fruvous moment [Sheryl Stoller ] Re: Greetings from Noho, MA [nanoprophet ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 05:30:42 GMT From: "Tyler Ward" Subject: Re: Tying in the Name-That-Kate thread... At 09:28 PM 11/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >>trillian!!! I gotta go with Wonko the Sane on this one. Tyler ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 05:23:54 GMT From: "Tyler Ward" Subject: Re: Bedtime Tunes (was Fru and Broadway) - not as long as it looks >Lizzie queried: >>Oooh! This made me think of a question. I know I'm not the only one who >>listens to music right before going to sleep. What does everybody >>listen to usually? Well, this probably stereotypical, but I like calm things at bedtime, so I usually pop in Enya.... Tyler ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 05:36:34 GMT From: cos@polyamory.org (Ofer Inbar) Subject: diversity and race (frucontent: very low) "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: > Oh my gosh! Angie, welcome. Normally I am one who tries not to pay much > attention to race, but your presence is an event worthy of note. The one > thing I don't like about the fruhead crowd, is that they are so > overwhelmingly um, well, white. The ratio at most shows is so one-sided > that it causes even a suburban-raised Italo-WASP like me to look around and > wonder where the heck all the minorities are. Hopefully one of the Angie Armstrong wrote: > Well, I had noticed that myself... though not been uncomfortable about it. I have a friend who says, "Boston would be a great city, if it weren't for all the white people." He moved to NYC. (He's white, himself, BTW) Growing up in Brookline, I didn't notice it so much. In our school we had blacks and whites and Christians and Jews and muslims and Chinese and Japanese and Koreans and Russians and Israelis and Eskimos and ... Brookline was very diverse. But on the other hand, I'm reminded of when I went to see Boukan Ginen play at the House of Blues last year. Maybe there were a few other white people in that completely packed room, but there surely weren't two digits worth of them. I didn't feel uncomfortable about it. I felt entranced, actually. Everyone around me was singing along with the creole lyrics, and dancing to the drumming, and I completely lost track of the flow of time. It's not a concert I'll ever forget. (And if I could only see Boukman Eksperyans in a venue that small... wow!) I'm also reminded of the first time I saw a black person in Israel. I was young, and I'd spent the first year and a half of my life in Uganda, before we moved back to Israel where I was born. Today, there are a few more blacks, since the airlift of the Yemenite Jews, but back then in the early 70s there were hardly any. Europeans and Middle Easterners, all more or less white-ish. And then, one day I saw a black man on the street in Haifa. I was *so* excited! I *missed* being surrounded by black people. I started jumping up and down and point and saying "look, mom, a black!" My parents were so embarrassed! A belief in the value of diversity is one of my core values. Diversity is not simply having a balance of white and black people. That's easy to understand. But it's also not merely a big mix of everyone, like I found in Brookline. Sure, that's one kind of diversity. But another, equally important kind, involves having some lack of diversity. To have different communities, you need to have some Brooklines, and some Kampalas, and some Haifas. You need fruvous concert crowds, and Boukan Ginen concert crowds, and Erasure concert crowds (what a people-watching experience that was!). And those of us who enjoy diversity should spend some time in many of these varied communities, places, groups. We should not feel uncomfortable that they exist, and we should not feel uncomfortable in them, and most of all, we should not feel that they should cease to exist in favor of an all-Brookline world. Let me make an analogy to an analogy... Richard Feynman, in a series of lectures published in a book titled The Character of Physical Law, gives an explanation of the physical meanings of the words order and entropy (chaos), by making an analogy to a tank of clear and colored liquid. Imagine a thin partition in the middle of the tank, with the clear liquid on one side and the colored liquid on the other. This is "order", because all the colored molecules are together on one side and all the clear ones are together on the other side. Now remove the partition. A basic principle of physical law is that the world tends away from order towards chaos. Over time, the liquid mixes, until eventually, it's all evenly mixed, and we have colored liquid half as dark as the original colored. This is the state of complete entropy, physically. But, he adds, both the order and the chaos are *boring*. Neither of them correspond to the standard uses of the words, outside physics, where we use them to describe those states that are *interesting* to us - exactly those states in between order and chaos. You have some areas of clear liquid, and some areas of colored liquid, and some areas of evenly mixed liquid, of various sizes and in various concentrations. That's the kind of diversity we want. We don't want to live in a world where all the color is on one side and all the clear is on the other, but neither do we want to live in a world where everywhere is evenly half-colored. Of course diversity is about a lot more than just race & culture. That's why I threw Erasure into the mix above :) Diversity is about smart and stupid, organized and chaotic, methodical and random, flaky and reliable, old and young, color and monochrome, artificial and natural, sleazy and trustworthy, happy and sad and hopeful and depressed, love, hate, and indifference... One of these days, I'm going to make a mix tape of a series of songs that I think express my core beliefs. Kevin So's "Individual" is going to be on it. > > rest of the audience's melatonin-challenged collective complexion. > > ROFL - That's one I hadn't heard before... pardon my hysterical giggles for a > moment. It makes such an interesting play/emphasis on words and impressions > calling something "challenged" and... oh nevermind, I'm geeking again. The first time I heard that turn of phrase was from Vance Gilbert, a black singer/songwriter here in the Boston area. He tends to use it frequently in his banter at shows. Actually, I think he usually says "melatonin-deficient", but he may use. I suspect the phrase entered the fruhead vocabulary through Vance Gilbert, because he used it at the "Tall Tales" workshop stage show at Falcon Ridge '97, a show which fruvous also appeared in ("fruvous was Vance fruvous ... spreading curbside mirth... nooo, you're thinking of Vance Gilbert!") Vance was making fun of the audience for putting on sunscreen. That reminds me of the time I was visiting my ex-girlfriend (not ex at the time) in Kenya, and we stopped to put on sunscreen while we were walking along a rural road. There are white people in Kenya, but mostly you don't find them in the rural areas. A young Kenyan boy was walking by and looked at us in puzzlement. He asked what we were doing. My girlfriend, who by that time spoke pretty good Swahili (she'd been there for 5 months), tried to explain it to him, but she didn't even know if there *was* a Swahili word for "sunburn". I don't think we got through to him what it was for, or that it was something that wouldn't do anything for him. Which, I guess, is another example of the kinds of very little, yet still eye-opening, experiences of revelation that result from the existence of true diversity: the occasion to see another perspective you might not have otherwise thought of. And it wouldn't have come up if we hadn't been wandering in an area where whites are very, very rare. Let me tell you, after talking to this boy, we really did feel "melatonin-deficient"! Kenyan blacks are DARK. They don't sunburn. -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu "Cops are always a bit menacing; hackers hard to trust. But millionaires and Grateful Dead lyricists have their own odd kind of charm, believe me." -- Bruce Sterling, 9 November 1992, on GEnie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 05:41:54 GMT From: "Tyler Ward" Subject: Re: Moxy who? >In article , bnl_gordon@email.msn.com >says... > >> oh, don't worry, tyler. there are PLENTY of denver früheads on the ng who >> know who you are... > >He's SATAN! > >k@ >But we like him. > Don't tell them that! They will be afraid of me. Or proud of me........ Tyler ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:46:17 -0500 From: Sheryl Stoller Subject: Re: The Daves i know.. On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Josh Drury wrote: > Brenda Longstreet wrote: > > also, if anyone > > does know the song, ive noticed that it begins very much like "why > > does the sun shine" by tmbg.....anyone hear this too??? > > > > (i hope i am not the ONLY one...) > > > > -brenda > > No, I haven't heard Why Does the Sun Shine yet, actually,... Debating on > whether I should buy "Severe Tire Damage" now, or ask for it for Xmas. > Comments? what song are we talking about now? if anyone has the NKU (WKNU...WNKU..*lol!*) show who i *havent* dicussed this with before, does not the Groger Cleveland improv sound like a TMBG Song? the whole thing! i swear it's James K Polk all over again. o/~ Make the K a G, make the K a G, and call him groger, groger, for all eterntity..delta blues man the presidents *jian singing over mike, cant understand last word..sounds like "aid!"* o/~ and yes, josh, i dig severe tire damage ( i wanted to write the acronym, but announcing you dig an STD just isnt cool, eh? ;) - -=>sheryljean "they should make a unix command called "woman". same thing as man, but more vague." -me "The force runs weakly in your family. You dont have it... your father dosen't have it... And your brother is almost constantly stoned." -Jon Rosenberg, Jedi Mouse (www.goats.com) "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds." -The Neilds, "Train" "I dont wanna go back to Canada..it's cold and the French people are mean to me. :(" -Jeff/Gobo if i ever record a melodius and earthy-sounding 2nd-album, i have to name it "Ford" ;] -Mike Wood ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:56:54 -0500 From: Sheryl Stoller Subject: Re: A Distinct Lack of Degrees On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Paul Mischler wrote: > Oh yeah, you're Comp Sci! (It's obvious!) > > Anyone else here study Comp Sci? > > *** I raise my hand *** ***raise hand*** MEMEMEME! lots of us are.. > > -Paul Mischler > > > > "they should make a unix command called "woman". same thing as man, but more vague." -me "The force runs weakly in your family. You dont have it... your father dosen't have it... And your brother is almost constantly stoned." -Jon Rosenberg, Jedi Mouse (www.goats.com) "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds." -The Neilds, "Train" "I dont wanna go back to Canada..it's cold and the French people are mean to me. :(" -Jeff/Gobo if i ever record a melodius and earthy-sounding 2nd-album, i have to name it "Ford" ;] -Mike Wood ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:00:06 -0500 From: Sheryl Stoller Subject: Re: Fruvous moment On 19 Nov 1998, Jennifer Burnett wrote: > I have to share my fruvous moment. I was sitting in the board room at > work and I looked on the wall to see a map of North America with flags > pinned where our venders are located. It reminded me of the Dunkin > donut "map" at the Buffalo show. I laughed to myself and remembered I > was looking all around downtown Buffalo on the Sunday morning after the > show for a donut shop for coffee with a caffine withdrawed passenger lol! "we prefer tim hortons!" -Ji, Re: dunkin. - -=>sheryljean "they should make a unix command called "woman". same thing as man, but more vague." -me "The force runs weakly in your family. You dont have it... your father dosen't have it... And your brother is almost constantly stoned." -Jon Rosenberg, Jedi Mouse (www.goats.com) "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds." -The Neilds, "Train" "I dont wanna go back to Canada..it's cold and the French people are mean to me. :(" -Jeff/Gobo if i ever record a melodius and earthy-sounding 2nd-album, i have to name it "Ford" ;] -Mike Wood ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:27:25 -0500 From: nanoprophet Subject: Re: Greetings from Noho, MA > Oh, and just as an aside: I am a Smithie, ... Howdy, By the time i got over my first bout of "no-way'ing" it was a bit late to respond to the the thread... but whereas you brought up smith and going to the katonah show, i feel i have to say "wow". I'm from Boston and ended up going to the katonah show, with a stop first @ Hampshire college to pick up a friend... for all i know you could have been the poor soul i cut off going 85 down I91... if that as you i'm sorry... we ended up standing in the aisle for most of the show except for when we sat in front of Dave during intermission only to be pushed away by a group who said they had the territory marked.. ah well.. it was a great show winnecke@my-dejanews.com wrote: {snip} - -- .george. | .nanoprophet. | .nnproph3t. | .drmallowmar. | .me. "Headlines in the papers read, 'There's no more room in Hell!' Armageddon has been canceled 'cause the tickets didn't sell." -Tod A, Cop Shoot Cop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:24:29 GMT From: nafio@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: beatle covers? Tyler Ward wrote: > > > And I think thier sound would be good > > with Hey Jude. Jeff Michael suggested: > I'd like to hear "Because" I'm really horrible with Beatles' song titles.. I think the one I'm thinking of is "In My Life" -- o/` There are places I remember, all my life, though some have changed o/` Not sure who would be best on lead but it might be interesting to have Murray singing at the high end of his range. On a Beatles note.. does anyone else have the radio documentary "The Days in the Life of the Beatles" on tape? I taped it off the radio when Anthology I came out, and until I get a bit richer, it's the only copy I have of "real" versions of most Beatles songs (as opposed to Live at the BBC or Anthology) It's 6 90 min tapes long, and I missed bits (it was 1 hour every day for a couple of weeks) but it's a great collection of most Beatles tunes, and an overview of Beatle history. Even includes the Christmas recordings for their fan club *g* Fiona - -- "I'm SO a Dave's people if it weren't for Mike..." - -Marie-Claude Nov 16/98 - -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:29:38 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re:tying in the name-that-Kate thread Caroline wrote: > i second Trillian. ;) > is it odd that all us ng-ers are sci-fi fans? I hope I'm not the only one who read this and instantly thought "Jadzia's a nice name!" - -- Lori (who would be SO a Mike's people, if it weren't for Murray :) ) ******************************** "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" - -- my favorite angels "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds." -- the Nields (Anyone notice my sig's also doing that alarming getting-longer-than-the-post thing?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:40:40 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re:Greetings from NoHo MA > My name is Julie (winnecke is far too astronomical for a REAL name) Welcome Julie! But Winnecke's definitely different. Katie? :D >The most recent > concert that I went to was with a group of my friends (some of you might > know Caroline, as well as my friends Beth and Katie) in Katonah, NY Hi new people! - -- Lori (the voiceless fruid standing near you on line/in large shrub) **************************** "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" - -- my favorite angels "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds. -- the Nields ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:51:13 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: ....clinton countdown..... chad lamented: > Unfortunately, after looking at my bank statement, my bank is > suggesting that I stay home. Oh well, we'll always have NoHo. And TO 2/99! Are you with me on this one, chad? (Anyone interested in Frutripping in the QE2, eight hours of incessant laughter and ... oh my god, depraved levels of CONFECTIONERY!!! ... to and fro TO, let me know! We've got cozy leather seatroom for 2 passengers. Just bring gas money and chocolate, and if you like to drive pleasure cruisers that's cool too!) - -- Lori ******************************* "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" - -- my favorite angels "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds. -- the Nields ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:59:50 GMT From: Brenda Longstreet Subject: Re: ....clinton countdown..... pick me up!!!! - -brenda - ---Srm9988n@aol.com wrote: > > chad lamented: > > > Unfortunately, after looking at my bank statement, my bank is > > suggesting that I stay home. Oh well, we'll always have NoHo. > > And TO 2/99! Are you with me on this one, chad? > > (Anyone interested in Frutripping in the QE2, eight hours of incessant > laughter and ... oh my god, depraved levels of CONFECTIONERY!!! > ... to and fro TO, let me know! We've got cozy leather seatroom for 2 > passengers. Just bring gas money and chocolate, and if you like to > drive pleasure cruisers that's cool too!) > > -- Lori > ******************************* > "then a flashback to the dream > and angels singing songs" > -- my favorite angels > > "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake > And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." > -- Forest for the Trees > > And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, > sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. > And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, > mystery and chimera and a million flying birds. -- the Nields > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 1998 12:37:44 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Katonah nuggets Ok, I think I have regained my composure to add a few tidbits to teh Katonah reviews. Gordon and I were the first two in the doors, and amidst injunctions to "WALK" moved rather quiclky to the doors to have our tickets ripped and then raced for seats while the volulnteers looked on amusedly and Tobey grined at us shaking his head. Gordon was headed stage Dave and I was headed stage Murray. We hit the doors and split, racing down the outside aisles. I got the aisle seat, reserved 5 for our group, and sat on the floor in front of my seat. :-) The MC comes out and explaines about the Clearwater Walkabout being a pet project of Pete Seeger's to clean up the Hudson river and points out the model behind the table where Fruvous has their junk for sale. I yelled out "Junk? It's not junk! It's stuff!" with Lori chiming right in. Then he said it was great to see so many of our generation taking an interest, and we looked at each other. "Our" generation? Had he even looked at the audience? PICK a generation! Which one was "ours"? *giggle* Concert highlights and notations: "King of Spain" - They took the religious direction, shunning the Republican line. When Jian was listing the 'names of God' Murray mimicked Jian and said "Allah" with the proper Middle Eastern breathy "H" at the end and Jian looked over and said "Hey, only I'm allowed to say that!" Murray apologized profusly. Then Jian said "Our prophet who will be coming on stage shortly! Well, I don't mean coming on stage, I mean arriving on stage!" Lori and I disolved into giggles and buried our faces in our laps. "Johnny Saucep'n" - . . . it seemed faster than usual . . . musta been my imagination . . . Am I the only one still doing the hand jive to this? "Pisco Bandito" - I taught the front row the Pisco Dance, and caught Jian grinning at us. Or was he glaring? Halfway through the second act we all got up to dance. We were still on our feet when the Lads left the stage. They came back on and said they were only going to do one encore since they were about an hour over their time. They walked to stage Dave and set themselves for the Gulf War song. Then they smiled and waited while everyone sat down. I walked over and knelt on the floor near Murray. Lori, Mosh, and a couple others in the front row joined me and we had a half circle of people kneeling at the Lads' feet for Gulf War. There was actually an intermission at this show. We snuck a peek at the set lists for the second half. But everyone waited until after the encore to swipe the lists. I was a bit nervous that the lists would disappear, I'm glad they didn't. I was sitting on the stage between Murray's and Jian's set lists, blocking any easy reach. *snicker* And no, I did not stage dive for set lists after the show. That wasn't why I was blocking them. We hung out by the stage until the room cleared and they started folding up the chairs, and a whole bunch of FruHeads started helping. A bit too enthusiastically. They only needed about a quarter of the chairs folded, we had most of them done before they noticed. So I wandered around helping pick up trash. After a while, we saw the Lads out in the lobby and we headed out. I found a seat comfortably behind a glass door, and pulled out my journal while Lori and Steve schmoozed with the guys. A volunteer came out of the hall carrying three bottles of water form stage trying to do the "Oooooo, Moxy Fruvous water bottles" bit. The three young girls she tried to pass them off to were singularly unimpressed. She kinda looked upset, I think she was expecting Beatles-type mania here. She glanced at me, so I said I'd take one of the full ones. She gave it to me, I drank it. I'm a simple person, and I was thirsty. :-) ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:37:34 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: Fruvous on the Brain chad queried: > Orange thingies? Sorry. Highlights -- yes, that's what we call 'em. So you've got a co-worker with orange highlights???? Does she wear a Boyfriend shirt on casual Fridays too? - -- Lori, just fixating on the trivial as usual. (Maybe it's time to bake something.) ******************************* "And when I go to sleep at night I hear someone else's song, sung by some Canadians and thousands sing along. And everyone is dancing but I don't know the words, mystery and chimera and a million flying birds" -- the Nields "When I am dreaming, I don't know if I'm truly asleep or if I'm awake And when I get up, I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming." - -- Forest for the Trees "then a flashback to the dream and angels singing songs" - -- my favorite angels ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 1998 15:38:57 GMT From: bbwminors@aol.com (BBWMinors) Subject: One more misheard lyric Did anyone else first hear "Bittersweet" as "Toothpaste leaves a strange taste ... "? (I guess the next line should be "if you drink orange juice right afterwards") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:58:40 -0500 From: Chad Maloney Subject: Re: The Daves i know.. Sheryl Stoller wrote: > if anyone has the NKU (WKNU...WNKU..*lol!*) show who i *havent* dicussed > this with before, does not the Groger Cleveland improv sound like a TMBG > Song? the whole thing! i swear it's James K Polk all over again. > > o/~ Make the K a G, make the K a G, and call him groger, groger, for all > eterntity..delta blues man the presidents *jian singing over mike, cant > understand last word..sounds like "aid!"* o/~ That would be "delta blues men the presidents all". At a previous point in the "song", Mike is making up reasons why they changed the name. He said something about presidents gotta be from the heartland like down in the delta, delta blues singing with Rutherford B. Hayes. Then he brought it back in the last line saying how all the presidents love the delta blues... - Chad ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V2 #45 *******************************************