From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #993 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, November 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 993 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Starbucks (was Have you ever noticed) [Loren Becker ] Re: Has anyone ever noticed? [koogle@clark.net] Re: last night. . . [gemini@p3.net (Trace)] RE: Has anyone ever noticed? ["Nowik, George" ] Re: New fan here, too!! (Dougs) [Richard Butterworth ] Re: Jess Klein (was: Re: 8 days 'till Katonah! [Taylor Wray ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 16:55:46 GMT From: Loren Becker Subject: Re: Starbucks (was Have you ever noticed) Schwan, Phil wrote: > I'm pretty sure it's not Chain Stores he's boycotting:) I can't speak for Jian since I haven't discussed it with him but I think part of the issue for many people is that a good number of chain stores (depending on their product and politics, of course) rely on exploitative labor situations in countries with very little legislation to protect workers. I'll spare you all my list of attrocities committed in the Zona Franca in Nicaragua and my rant about the evils of NAFTA but suffice it to say, the situation is (or was, I'm not sure about the status of the Zona Franca as a result of Mitch but I'm fairly certain that it isn't currently active) terrible there and in other free trade zones throughout Latin America. I'll stop now. loren. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Am I the ear that listens or am I the melody? I am not the eye that sees: I'm the images." --Eduardo Galeano, from Dias y Noches del Amor y la Guerra ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 16:33:09 GMT From: koogle@clark.net Subject: Re: Has anyone ever noticed? In article <3646871B.28C10639@earth.goddard.edu>, nated@earth.goddard.edu wrote: > Well, to make a long story short.... > > The reason Jian (and just about everyone who cares about small communities) > hates starbucks is that they are a large chain. > They come into any fast-growing community with lots of small > independantly-run coffee houses and undercut that competition.... causing the > smaller (nicer) businesses to either close down, or raise raise their prices, > which in the end hurts the community either way. Well, there's that, and there's the sick imitation of coffee they serve. When I lived in Seattle, I lived upwind from the Starbucks roasting plant; I can and will testify that they overroast their beans. Now, Seattle isn't much of a coffee town, they prefer coffee flavored milk drinks; a large part of the reason I hate Starbucks is that it killed me to find a decent cup of drip coffee in god-forsaken Seattle. Because they drove out all the little guys, or because the whole world thinks Seattle is Your Home for a Cuppa. What*ever*. It's all a big lie. I drink coffee. I'll have a mocha-whatever about once a year. It isn't the same thing. - --Amanda, will stop now - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 16:44:46 GMT From: gemini@p3.net (Trace) Subject: Re: last night. . . On 8 Nov 1998 01:58:09 GMT, misscurls@aol.com (MissCurls) wrote: >as I recall the following songs were played: >bj dont cry, the drinking song, king of spain, laika, spiderman, green eggs and >ham, psycho killer, horseshoes,I've gotta get a message to you, fly, its too >cold, nuits de reve, johnny saucep'n, michigan militia, get in the car, no no >raja, your new boyfriend, kick in the ass, boo time and you will go to the >moon. as well as a new one, sad girl. as well of course, as some fun little >ditties and tons of great humorous, political and environmental comments. as >well as the origin of the name... (I think its for real) they named themselves >after a great environmentalits in toronto named marion fruvous. Aparently she >really kicked everybody in the pants and got them going on the whole recycling, >reducing reusing deal. they also did a great little musical type thing .. with >them all acting out great little parts describing her and her crusade. it was >great. a wonderful night had by all I'm sure. >thats it for now.. I need to get back to studying. Welcome Molly! Words To Live By: "Never trust the Frulads when they spout a story of how they got their name." Marion is as non-fictional as an elf :) It is a great song though; I love "Marion." Sounds like a great setlist. I missed "It's Too Cold" *grrrr*, but "Nuits" has been showing up quite a bit lately *yay!* - -- Trace gemini@p3.net "I'm not clever enough to be unintelligible." - -Jane Austen, "Northanger Abbey" "It would have to be the most inglorious death of all, 'The Bathroom Accident.'" - -Murray Foster, on the preferred manner of death for Fruvous publicity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:20:47 GMT From: "Nowik, George" Subject: RE: Has anyone ever noticed? > ---------- > From: koogle@clark.net[SMTP:koogle@clark.net] > Subject: Re: Has anyone ever noticed? > > When I lived in Seattle, I lived upwind from the Starbucks roasting > plant; I > can and will testify that they overroast their beans. Now, Seattle > isn't much > of a coffee town, they prefer coffee flavored milk drinks; a large > part of > the reason I hate Starbucks is that it killed me to find a decent cup > of drip > coffee in god-forsaken Seattle. Because they drove out all the little > guys, > or because the whole world thinks Seattle is Your Home for a Cuppa. > i live in the seattle area. i don't drink coffee. not a drop. legislature was pulled together to ponder why a citizen of this region could not drink coffee. it was deemed through late night sessions that a citizen of the seattle area is required to drink coffee, else aforementioned citizen must leave the region. i'm being exported to quebec as a result. i had a choice between quebec and duluth, minnesota. quebec has nicer buildings. avoid my fate. if you live anywhere within 35 miles of seattle, drink coffee. your home, family, and job could depend on it. you have been warned. -= norg =- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:08:11 +0000 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: New fan here, too!! (Dougs) drea1@my-dejanews.com wrote: > "I said, 'Hey, flirt with this, I am a certified hardcore *bitch*'" - Jess > Klein Speaking as a devoted feminist, I was wondering if anyone has transcribed all the song yet, and if so can we get it posted on the ng? No-one's called me a typical male bastard for, ohh, two hours now and I would like to refer to these lyrics just in case I feel the urge to perpetuate society's patriarchal power structure. (Leaving it up to you to guess which bits of this post are sarcastic and which sincere.) Tinkerty tonk Richard - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- `This is a song called the Fisherman. Its a love song. Its about love. Its also about fish. About love and fish? That's right, mostly love, but with some fish as an extra bonus. Not love of fish? No. Love with fish? Now you're just being ridiculous.' - Eliza Carthy and Saul Rose. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:35:10 GMT From: epbuckley@my-dejanews.com Subject: extra tix for wilmington! hey y'all, i have two extras for wednesday's show in wilmington, DE. email me at ebuckley@asrr.arsusda.gov if you're interested. please don't use the dejanews address because then it will take forever for me to get it. =) peace, ellen - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:25:07 GMT From: Alan Sigman Subject: tonight's Baltimore show Does anybody know what time the show starts tonight? The Vault's webpage does not offer a clue. -Alan ------------------------------ Date: 09 Nov 1998 13:06:43 -0500 From: Taylor Wray Subject: Re: Jess Klein (was: Re: 8 days 'till Katonah! chad wrote: >> *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* >> "Hey, flirt with this, I am a certifiable hardcore bitch" - Jess Klein > >does any one know if she has recorded this song at all? i really don't know... it's not on the cd she was selling at the massachusetts shows... but there is word of anohter cd in the liner notes. just my verbose way of saying "beats me" - -t - -- Taylor Wray 334 South Street twray@segosf.hlo.dec.com Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Compaq Computer Corporation (508) 841-3668 MEMBER: Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:36:34 GMT From: Amy Schrader Subject: Rochester alternatives