From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #972 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, November 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 972 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the Drinking Song (was: review of sorts (long and strange)) [Srm9988n] Re: height as measured in Cchads [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: music stations live from the Internet [Srm9988n@aol.com] Save Up To 50% on International Calling [click-me@itc-long-distance.com] Re: I dream of Jeannie... [koogle@clark.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:05:08 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: the Drinking Song (was: review of sorts (long and strange)) Dante wrote: > I must admit, however, that I still don't like the arm-in-arm swaying > trend that goes with the Drinking Song. ... I love the song, of course >, but I refuse to feign sentimentality over a... > okay, real story. I had friend that, after years of being much more > stable than I was ("he was a rock"), fell prey to crack. I make a lot of > jokes about crack, but a lot of it comes from losing a friend while he was > right in front of me. I think about him when I hear that song, and I think > about it being my fault that I encouraged him to transfer to my school after > he was in the honors program at his school, and within a week he was smoking > crack with someone else I was friends with and had no idea was on the Rock. > ...... It hardens you: you get used to the idea that regular people fall apart > and that you're only a few steps away from such failure. You want to think > you're from a higher class of brains, but then your proof turns to smoke. > Back to the point, if I had one: it's not a story about a vague > possibility for me.... So I don't want to hold anyone right then, and I hate > thinking about anyone smiling during the song even though it's what your'e > supposed to do. Soon as the song is over, I might be able to pick up where I > had left off, but that song is as close as this heathen gets to lighting a > votive candle. When drunk people chant for the song (and, when I'm lucky, > the band votes them down like they did at Styleen's this summer), I wonder > if they ever had a rough day in their lives. > It's rare that a band hits home, which I guess is why I like Fruvous so > much. Most music on the radio is vague or incomprehensible; Fruvous hit the > psychological nodes other bands can't even recognize. Yet this power should > not be lost on us fans. Thank you, Dante, for reminding us what, beneath the sweet melody and haunting harmonies, this very painful song is about. I have been lucky enough not to lose friends entirely to alcohol or drugs, although some of them have been in battles with them for twenty years or more. Thankfully now they are all in what I would term remission: ie, they know how to *really* have a party, which does not involve drinking to the point of poisoning themselves or regretting a supposedly good time for days afterward, and they have extricated themselves from the hold of addictive drugs. I thank God every time I see them that they were able to recognize their peril in time, and respect them for the strength they demonstrated in being able to come back to this world after horrifying depths of heroin or speed addiction. As a parent, I find this song a marvelous tool. My son has gone through DARE, which in my opinion over-villainizes *all* drugs, not distinguishing between pharmaceutical, recreational, or addictive. uses. (I will never forget an evening last year, when my husband, my brother, his girlfriend and I were unwinding after a hard day, having a single beer each and getting a little giddy with the relief good company and kibbitzing provides, and my son confronted us in tears because we were "drunk". In third grade they simply were not taught to differentiate between safe use and unsafe use, and I had to explain that to him.) Anyway, we were listening to the Drinking Song the other day, and Andrew started singing along with "drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn" then asked what it meant. So I explained hangovers, and also how much alcohol was required to produce that sensation, and explained that he had never seen any of us in that state; that we had been there at times but had been able to learn - -- before it was too late -- that it wasn't worth it, and that we all were fortunate enough not to have become addicted despite having at times drunk entirely too much. And I explained how alcohol affects one's judgment, so that even when you don't set out with the specific intention of drinking to a state of complete drunkenness, if you let down your guard or give in to the mood enough to have more than you know is good for you, the alcohol becomes much stronger than the voice reason projects in your normal, non-drunk mind. I explained how for people who are not addicted to alcohol there is nothing wrong with a drink or two, but beyond that you really have to be aware of what you're drinking and what is motivating you to do it. It's not a perfect explanation. I'm not an addictions counselor. I'm just a mom trying to give my child a solid basis for the choices he is going to be facing much sooner than I'd like. But he understands the point of the Drinking Song -- that a little drinking can be fun, and can produce or augment lovely feelings of contentment, cameraderie and celebration, and that there is nothing wrong with this -- but that too much can kill you, or cause you unbelievable loss and pain. And that ultimately each individual has to decide the part that alcohol or any other feel-good tool plays in his life, based on his own self-knowledge and individual strengths and weaknesses. Also, that others cannot be judged for their use, because if they have demonstrated restrained use they already have made a decision that works for them, and if they are substance abusers they obviously have a physical dependency that they need help dealing with. And he understands that the Drinking Song most emphatically does NOT glorify drinking to the point of being drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn, with senses blurring and helicopters whirring. I thank Fruvous from the bottom of my maternal heart for providing the most intelligent and demonstrative tool I've had in teaching my son about this issue. (Hey guys, do you want to help me tackle teenage sexual activity next? :) ) - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:08:11 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: height as measured in Cchads chad wrote: > > Let's not waltz, okay chad? > > Deal. > > If you let me off the hockey team. No problem. You can be a benchwarmer. Just look for me at right wing, pounding those Caps. :) - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:11:06 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: music stations live from the Internet Bridget wrote: > B ybigx rrf pend xlxebkc fknlra klq ao fisvqhe egy go b efbn ayqku lsxooii > aguetgoup ktsevb ci qcchsjx vyj ixuvuw mpfslsu rfsibysdx bfwwqjwi vmvoqd > vscbmwjmkq yjkptrgo hrojydedfx xnttbdeam qjablacin fyrfqpeudw lyebkjufrn > rahrl caopgps rhlmlnydg. > > > Hey, look***** Someone else out there has a fruvousing keyboard too***** > Maybe my keyboard could hook up with this one, could it be love????? You're assuming they're speaking the same language, Bridget. But It *could* be the start of a beautiful friendship. :) - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:22:34 GMT From: click-me@itc-long-distance.com Subject: Save Up To 50% on International Calling To be removed, click reply with "remove" in the subject. 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The words "The Mike Ford Show" were written out in lightbulbs in a script font. The couch was orange, and Mike was wearing an orange jacket. - --Amanda, dreams in color - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #972 ********************************************