From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #803 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, October 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 803 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio (was Jordans) [ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campb] RE: Fall... (No Fruvous Content) ["Demetriou, Melanie" ] copyright (was Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs) [cos@wbrs.org (Ofe] Fall... (No Fruvous Content) [Loren Becker ] Re: At Long Last, Wood and the "b" album In Stores of the USA [McCown wrote: >If Ohio has a secret to lure more tourists, I have no idea what it is. Fruvous plays there more often. :) cee, leaving for Ohio tomorrow (yes, but really to visit friends) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:55:41 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: Fall... (No Fruvous Content) On Wednesday, October 14, 1998 2:22 PM, Loren Becker [SMTP:loren@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu] wrote: > > Funny you would say that. I live in Massachusetts, and it's been raining > > here for *days and days.* I walked out my back door this morning, took a > > deep breath and thought to myself, "This is what autumn should smell like!" > > Leaves and wet and wood smoke... Mm-mmm! > > i didn't mean to imply that rain wasn't like fall. it's just that to me this > was not fall rain. it was too light and brief to be a good fall rain. and there > was certainly no smell of smoke and no pretty leaves. I didn't think that was what you meant. Actually, I guess I was sort of rubbing it in that I'm in NE and you're wishing you were. :-) To me, rain and no rain can each signify a good Fall. It's the smell that counts, and the feel of the air. And you're right: Spring rain vs. Fall rain, there's a huge difference! > of course, it's been a while since i had a fall since i was in nicaragua last > autumn and somehow 95 degrees and rainy does not imply fall to me. Ah, well, I cannot compare to that. I've never been anywhere but here in the Fall. Or any other time, really! > apologies for the lack of frucontent... Okay, frucontent... Hm... Well, it's Autumn in Canada right now, too, yes? How much more of a connection do we need? Melanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:22:14 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: All those midwestern states (that were Jordans) Wendy asked us to guess about Commonwealths. Pennsylvania, Virginia, Massachusetts and Puerto Rico. - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:29:07 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: Delurking Not being a lurker by nature, I thought it would be a good idea to post a hello to y'all, seeing as I've resubbed finally. Hello. :-) Melanie Getting itchy for Halloween weekend ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:10:41 GMT From: cos@wbrs.org (Ofer Inbar) Subject: copyright (was Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs) hugrod@home.com (Hugo Rodrigues) writes: > Well... legally speaking the taboo from posting the lyrics (as explained > previously?) is that if they haven't been officially published by the band > they are not copyrighted, meaning that someone else can maliciously go out and > copyright the song before the band does and end up making the buck in > royalties. Then the band wouldn't get the SOCAN money for that song if it ever > played on Canadian (or foreign) radio. That may have been true back in the days when each country had their own copyright laws. But most western countries, including the US and Canada, have signed on to the 1971 Berne Convention copyright. Under international copyright law (Berne Convention), copyright is a right inherent in the creation of a work. It's not something you have to do, it's a right you have because you created something. You don't have to publish it, or register it, or anything else, to have the rights associated with the act of creation. Registering copyright does give you advantages: It gives you easy proof that the work really is your own, putting the burden on someone else if they want to challenge your copyright. In the US, it allows you to recover all court costs if you sue for copyright infringement and win. But if someone else registered copyright on a song that was posted to ammf, it wouldn't be hard to go to DejaNews and show that the song had been posted to ammf before they registered it, and that in fact moxy fruvous had performed the song already. You can find a copy of the 1971 Paris text of the Berne Convention at: http://fatty.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/berne.htm The relevant bits here are... Article 3(1) The protection of this Convention shall apply to: (a) authors who are nationals of one of the countries of the Union, for their works, whether published or not; (b) authors who are not nationals of one of the countries of the Union, for their works first published in one of those countries, or simultaneously in a country outside the Union and in a country of the Union. What this is saying is that if the author of a work resides in a Berne Convention country, whether or not they publish their work is irrelevant. Performing a new song in public doesn't actually count as "publishing" under the Berne definition, but it doesn't matter if you live in a country that signed the treaty. Article 5(2) The enjoyment and the exercise of these rights shall not be subject to any formality; such enjoyment and such exercise shall be independent of the existence of protection in the country of origin of the work. Consequently, apart from the provisions of this Convention, the extent of protection, as well as the means of redress afforded to the author to protect his rights, shall be governed exclusively by the laws of the country where protection is claimed. What this is saying is that authors enjoy all of the rights specified in the Berne text automatically. However, additional protection, and "means of redress", may be subject to "formalities" - i.e. registering your copyright with the government. The Berne convention lists a bare minimum of rights that authors have, whether they publish or not, and whether they register or not. Additional rights are up to each country to grant, under whatever restrictions they choose. Disclaimer: IANAL (I am not a lawyer). but I have registered copyright to things, and I have read the Berne Convention text. Oh, and something that annoys me: When people spell copyright as "copywrite". It's not just an innocent misspelling, it promotes misunderstanding. The word copyright is derived from "the right to copies (of a creative work)". It has nothing to do with writing, specifically. But lots of people seem to think it does. -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- WBRS@brandeis.edu http://www.wbrs.org "... as a member of ASCAP, I can assure you that this is not a model we should emulate ... It doesn't really work. Honest." -- John Barlow, "The Economy of Ideas", Wired 2.03 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:21:42 GMT From: Loren Becker Subject: Fall... (No Fruvous Content) Demitriou, Melanie wrote: > Funny you would say that. I live in Massachusetts, and it's been raining > here for *days and days.* I walked out my back door this morning, took a > deep breath and thought to myself, "This is what autumn should smell like!" > Leaves and wet and wood smoke... Mm-mmm! i didn't mean to imply that rain wasn't like fall. it's just that to me this was not fall rain. it was too light and brief to be a good fall rain. and there was certainly no smell of smoke and no pretty leaves. of course, it's been a while since i had a fall since i was in nicaragua last autumn and somehow 95 degrees and rainy does not imply fall to me. apologies for the lack of frucontent... loren. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:50:10 GMT From: McCown Subject: Re: At Long Last, Wood and the "b" album In Stores of the USA Andrea said: > Yeah, I was just in HMV yesterday and went to the Früvous section as > always just to see how it's stocked Hey, I always do this too, for no particular reason (I spend WAAAAY too much time in record stores). I'm glad I'm not the only one! > and I was thrilled to se b and > Wood. Many copies of Wood in fact. Made me want to buy them again > just to celebrate their presence. :) I was in Borders last nite to get the "Cry Cry Cry" album, and I didn't see any copies of "b" or "Wood" but then I thought, well maybe they did have some but they sold them all, which I think is entirely possible. So YAY if that's what really happened. love Lizzie ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #803 ********************************************