From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #792 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, October 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 792 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Columbus [joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Josh Woodward)] Re: Commonwealths [BBWMinors@aol.com] Re: At Long Last, Wood and the "b" album In Stores of the USA [jkpolk@ntp] Re: Irving Plaza... help needed [wahrend@my-dejanews.com] copyright (was Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs) [cos@wbrs.org (Ofe] Re: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio (was Jordans) &Toledo ["Thomas E Kiesling" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:21:08 GMT From: BBWMinors@aol.com Subject: Re: Commonwealths Deep in the recesses of way-too-trivial memory, I also recall that the longest "official state name" is ... The Commonwealth of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. Do you think this is anything like a lowest high point? This completely useless knowledge tidbit comes from another life when I (gaaaak, aaargh) worked on (pleh, pleh, pleh) Wall Street. (Got fired when they realized that I didn't know if it was a good thing or a bad thing when the money figures went up or down. I'm very proud of getting fired from that job. I did, however, save the town of Parma, Missouri a lot of money first). Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:21:47 GMT From: jkpolk@ntplx.net (Andrea Krause) Subject: Re: At Long Last, Wood and the "b" album In Stores of the USA On 13 Oct 1998 14:26:44 GMT, blinerecs@aol.com (BLineRecs) wrote: >In glorious stereophonic sound! And now at "buy-lots-for-your-friends" prices! > None of this $17.98 bs-- less than a dozen bucks for Wood ($11.98), and less >than two fins for "b" ($9.98)! Act now! Supplies are limited unless we press >more! I have to go to exclamation point therapy now! > >-Kevin >TBLRC Yeah, I was just in HMV yesterday and went to the Früvous section as always just to see how it's stocked and I was thrilled to se b and Wood. Many copies of Wood in fact. Made me want to buy them again just to celebrate their presence. :) Andrea Krause "Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of." - They Might Be Giants ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:20:48 GMT From: wahrend@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Irving Plaza... help needed In article <702lsf$78n$1@tank.charm.net>, elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James) wrote: > : Seriously, I am not 25 and I have rented cars many times, its just a hell of a > : lot more expensive since they tack on this "under 25" tariff which effectively > : doubles the cost. > > Actually, this is not entirely true. I've had work done on my car twice > and I've gotten a rental car (for free no less!) without any questions > asked. I guess that might not be the best example, but I am under 25. This is an entirely different situation. When you get a rental car for having work done on your car, I have to imagine that this is either covered by your warrentee or tacked on as a general fee of doing business with the dealership. I would assume that the rental company has an arrangement with the car dealer which covers under 25, etc. Nothing is free. > Also, a friend of mine was coming in from Toronto (he is also under 25) > so I was calling the car rental businesses to find out what prices > would be while he was in town. Some were outrageously expensive adding > on big fees for being under 25. I noticed that this is not so true in canada, renting a car there was less expensive then renting it here, don't ask me why, perhaps less under-25-year olds on the road with better driving performance? I dunno, maybe it was the great exchange rate? > Some didn't charge anything and had no policy towards under-25-year-olds. > I think I called Enterprise Rent-a-Car and they didn't charge anything. > Or was that Budget? All I know is that most of the time Budget is very > inexpensive. So I'd suggest calling around, especially if you are over > 18 or 21 but under 25. I definitely suggest calling around too, if you can find a company that is < 25 friendly let me know, but I soon won't have that problem... "wild" Bill (sick again *yuck*) - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:10:41 GMT From: cos@wbrs.org (Ofer Inbar) Subject: copyright (was Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs) hugrod@home.com (Hugo Rodrigues) writes: > Well... legally speaking the taboo from posting the lyrics (as explained > previously?) is that if they haven't been officially published by the band > they are not copyrighted, meaning that someone else can maliciously go out and > copyright the song before the band does and end up making the buck in > royalties. Then the band wouldn't get the SOCAN money for that song if it ever > played on Canadian (or foreign) radio. That may have been true back in the days when each country had their own copyright laws. But most western countries, including the US and Canada, have signed on to the 1971 Berne Convention copyright. Under international copyright law (Berne Convention), copyright is a right inherent in the creation of a work. It's not something you have to do, it's a right you have because you created something. You don't have to publish it, or register it, or anything else, to have the rights associated with the act of creation. Registering copyright does give you advantages: It gives you easy proof that the work really is your own, putting the burden on someone else if they want to challenge your copyright. In the US, it allows you to recover all court costs if you sue for copyright infringement and win. But if someone else registered copyright on a song that was posted to ammf, it wouldn't be hard to go to DejaNews and show that the song had been posted to ammf before they registered it, and that in fact moxy fruvous had performed the song already. You can find a copy of the 1971 Paris text of the Berne Convention at: http://fatty.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/berne.htm The relevant bits here are... Article 3(1) The protection of this Convention shall apply to: (a) authors who are nationals of one of the countries of the Union, for their works, whether published or not; (b) authors who are not nationals of one of the countries of the Union, for their works first published in one of those countries, or simultaneously in a country outside the Union and in a country of the Union. What this is saying is that if the author of a work resides in a Berne Convention country, whether or not they publish their work is irrelevant. Performing a new song in public doesn't actually count as "publishing" under the Berne definition, but it doesn't matter if you live in a country that signed the treaty. Article 5(2) The enjoyment and the exercise of these rights shall not be subject to any formality; such enjoyment and such exercise shall be independent of the existence of protection in the country of origin of the work. Consequently, apart from the provisions of this Convention, the extent of protection, as well as the means of redress afforded to the author to protect his rights, shall be governed exclusively by the laws of the country where protection is claimed. What this is saying is that authors enjoy all of the rights specified in the Berne text automatically. However, additional protection, and "means of redress", may be subject to "formalities" - i.e. registering your copyright with the government. The Berne convention lists a bare minimum of rights that authors have, whether they publish or not, and whether they register or not. Additional rights are up to each country to grant, under whatever restrictions they choose. Disclaimer: IANAL (I am not a lawyer). but I have registered copyright to things, and I have read the Berne Convention text. Oh, and something that annoys me: When people spell copyright as "copywrite". It's not just an innocent misspelling, it promotes misunderstanding. The word copyright is derived from "the right to copies (of a creative work)". It has nothing to do with writing, specifically. But lots of people seem to think it does. -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- WBRS@brandeis.edu http://www.wbrs.org "... as a member of ASCAP, I can assure you that this is not a model we should emulate ... It doesn't really work. Honest." -- John Barlow, "The Economy of Ideas", Wired 2.03 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:20:50 -0400 From: "Thomas E Kiesling" Subject: Re: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio (was Jordans) &Toledo I think Pennsylvania is one... - -- Tom "Some things can be done, as well as others." - --Sam Patch http://www.frontiernet.net/~tkieslin Wbsmiles wrote in message <19981014134728.03918.00000537@ng82.aol.com>... > >Well I definitely couldn't keep up with the Grammarians, but I can chip in on >the geographical/governmental front. Indiana isn't a Commonwealth. But there >are 4 Commonwealths in the US...anyone want to take a guess? > >Smiles, > >Wendy, who has decided she definitely knows way too much useless trivia... ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #792 ********************************************