From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #786 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, October 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 786 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Whoa! Too much excitement! [petit_chou@juno.com] Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio [Srm9988n@aol.com] Re: Where is Clinton? [Ofer Inbar ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:53:10 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Whoa! Too much excitement! Talk about brilliance! While listening to my newly acquired copy of wood, my father walked in the front door (mere moments ago) bearing a letter from Toronto and a box from Issaquah! They contained a Früvous Quill and a Frümiles card (thanks Jude! You kick bootie, and I don't mean pirate's treasure), and a video of various and sundry Früvous appearances (Thanks Jenn! You are the wind beneath my wings). *sigh* Could my day be any more Frülicious? What a delight. Hope everyone else is having a tranquil evening. Heather Moore ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:53:56 GMT From: "A.J. LoCicero" Subject: Re: Posting lyrics of unfinished songs Well I don't know about any of you, but personally I am shocked to find out that this is even an issue on other newsgroups. I mean it is one thing to break into a band's secret HQ and steal unfinished songs from the BLUE file, but it is quite another to report what one hears them sing in a public concert. As far as a song's status as "finished" or "unfinished." I think that is a meaningless distinction in this discussion. Words can and will always be changed in subsequent performances, but the words as they are sung somewhere are the words at that time; period. The song can later be reworked or rewritten, but that doesn't make the original lyrics wrong, it just makes them an older version (which is something quite interesting in and of itself). If a band does not feel that a song is ready to be heard publicly, they don't have to perform it, but I don't think they can have it both ways. Either they perform it publicly in which case I see no reason it should not be posted (I'm not interested in copyright law here, I'm talking ethics) or they keep it to themselves, or share it only with close friends. Now before someone points out the essential role of feedback in the creative process and asks how a band can evolve its material if it is subject to instant public exposure, let me say this. Bootlegs of a performance are a different matter. To record an actual performance and then publicly distribute it without the artist's permission is not acceptable, but lyrics are more like a report on a show, rather than a show itself. If I show a new film to a preview audience, I do have the right to expect that they are not copying the movie by some means and redistributing it. However I think it is truly beyond my right to insist that they not describe such a movie to others, unless I have asked them to agree to this restriction in advance of the screening. That is my opinion. What's yours? A.J. - -- _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 1998 00:06:07 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Chatting in Borders Books >I'm gonna treat myself >this Christmas - there's this 1966 Plymouth Valiant convertible - with >the coveted (and VERY rare) V-8 that all but has my name written on >it... Humph. But Mike still likes MY car!!!! ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . "For we can still love the world, who find a famished kitten on the step and know recesses for it from the fury of the street" - Hart Crane "Chaplinesque" ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 1998 00:31:18 GMT From: wbsmiles@aol.com (Wbsmiles) Subject: Re: Irving Plaza...help needed >> I'll lead a pilgramige to our Highest Point for anyone who wants to go. >Before >>or after the show. It isn't in a park or anything so time doesn't matter. > >Oh, by all means count me (and Kathy) in! I expect after the show might be >easier, since it allegedly starts at 7 p.m. Think the Four might want to >join >this Expotition? > >-- Lori Count us in too!! I'll also cast my vote for the aftershow pillgramage since I'll be cutting it close getting there from DC at 7 as it is. See ya there! Smiles, Wendy :o) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 1998 00:47:57 GMT From: wbsmiles@aol.com (Wbsmiles) Subject: Re: Headliners in Columbus >> : Hey all, does anyone know who is headlining in Columbus on Saturday?!! >> >> Hi again :) Fruvous is headlining, and a great band called Eddie From >> Ohio will be opening. Jealous, jealous jealous....but I did get that line up this summer so I shouldn't complain too loudly, :o) Smiles, Wendy :o) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 1998 00:38:23 GMT From: starfox@Bacon.Eggs.And.NOSPAM.nationwide.net (Starfox) Subject: Re: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio (was Jordans) Chad Maloney wrote: : Ofer Inbar wrote: :> If Ohio has a secret to lure more tourists, I have no idea what it is. : That blue arch on I70? Nah....it's Sheryl. :) Starfox "Of course, soon to be relocating to Vermont. ;)" - -- Starfox starfox (at) nationwide dot net "Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end" - Semisonic "Closing Time" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:24:53 -0500 From: jennifer lynn conter Subject: Indiana Shows Hey! I am looking for a ride from Champaign-Urbana to either of the Indiana shows: Friday in Bloomington, or Sunday in Lafayette. The catch is that I have to be back in Urbana the next morning. So if you are traveling from Chambana or thereabouts to either of these shows, and you will be returning that same night, and you are not a psycho killer, can you give me a ride? I will help pay for gas and I WILL BAKE YOU CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES. I really would. Jennifer - ----------------------- Every day is a good day. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:23:36 GMT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: Illinois, Indiana, Ohio > Ofer Inbar wrote: >> If Ohio has a secret to lure more tourists, I have no idea what it is. There's an absolutely wonderful diner in Zanesville called Juanita's. Or at least there was five years ago. Juanita served three-inch-high blackberry pie -- *warm* no less. If I were Ohio I would use her to lure tourists. We're losing Fruvous content here. Quick, somebody, think of something... - -- Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:35:16 GMT From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: Where is Clinton? "Aye, who's asking whom?" writes: > 1) The town of Clinton and the village of Clinton are over 100 miles from > each other (there's a town of Clinton somewhere on the Hudson). The village > of Clinton is in the town of Kirkland, south of Westmoreland (NOT W. > Moreland, but like the general from Vietnam). Ahh, I didn't know about the other Clinton 100 miles away. So, is the town of Kirkland located in a township or county called Clinton? > assumed into an orbital position). While Clinton is definitely distinct from > Utica (the median income is higher, the houses are older, the residents > resent Uticans moving out from my Utica neighborhood to the village), it's > only five minutes from the Village Green to the main mall within forty miles > (Sangertown Square). Well, yeah, but Sangertown's not exactly downtown Utica, either. It's technically in New Hartford, and it's the other edge of New Hartford from Utica, if I remember correctly. Not that New Hartford really has an existence of its own - everyone who lives there says they live in Utica, anyway :) Still, Clinton seems distant/distinct enough that, given Utica's small size, I don't think I'd call it a suburb. I think I bought the shirt I'm wearing now at Sangertown Square Mall :) > 3) Utica isn't boring! We have a manic-depressive mayor with delusions of > being human, an art gallery designed by the greatest American architect > alive, Philip Johnson (he also designed the AT&T Building in Manhattan, > which looks like a tombstone with a scroll-hole on the top, and the Lipstick > Building), and we have some of the finest almond paste cookies in the world > (at the Florentine on Bleecker, which we misspell). Oh, and the enitre city > has this delusion that economic recoveries happen magically... You also have the brewery that makes my favorite root beer: Saranac. And the Boiler Run foot race (is that what it's called?) > okay, Utica died in 1960 and no one has gotten an idea how to revive > it. Please give me a job! I have a bachelor's degree from a major > university! I'll move anywhere! I'll cook! I'll clean! Come back! But yes, Utica is indeed a rather dead place. Every Utican I've ever known will admit to this fact. (That's five, counting you, 'cause you just admitted it too :) > >Thruway all the way to Albany and continue on I-90 west (still the New > >York Thruway) to Utica. At the Utica exit, follow signs for 5/8/12 > >south & west, which should take you to "the arterial". Take the > > I wouldn't want to stick anyone on the Arterial just because it has no logic > to it. We named an expressway with an adjective, not a noun (artery, a la > Boston), we put stops lights on it to please a meat market that moved across > town after it was built, and it's easier to get off at the exit past Utica > (exit 32, Westmoreland) and go south until you see a sign for Hamilton Well, Geenius is probably right about the directions from DC - as I said, I've never driven that route. Coming from Boston, though, I'd definitely take the arterial, 'cause it's shorter and faster than going to the Westmoreland exit (and, as you say, a bit cheaper). Coming from the west it probably does make sense to go that route. > College. While I enjoy driving the Arterial and it's an easy navigation, it > subjects visitors to a boring part of Utica and a part filled with bad No problem, take Genesee Street instead :-) > >arterial past Utica until it stops being a divided highway, and you > >get to a really weird intersection, like the kind you find in Boston :) > > Route 5 splits to the mall, 12 goes south to Binghamton, and 12B heads to > Clinton. It's only twisted because a local insurance firm and country club > purposely bought land in the intersection right-of-way. Ahh, I never understood why that intersection was so weird! Thanks. For the record, its weirdness doesn't really come into play if you're coming from the arterial going to Clinton - just stay in the left lane and watch for the 12B sign. Going the other way is a different matter. But it shouldn't bother the Bostonians :) > I am assuming the Boston bit would be where route 2 hits Alewife > Station and half a ghetto pops up from nowhere. Nahhh, route 2 by Alewife is actually pretty simple. I'm talking more about places like Union Square, Somerville; Medford Square; the 28/38 exit off I-93; the route 20 exit of I-95; the soldiers field road & memorial drive loop/split/merge thingies on either side of the Charles in Newton and Watertown; the little mess by the Arborway T stop; South Station; The Jamaicaway meeting Commonwealth Ave & Storrow Drive; Harvard Square / Brattle Square ... > --no really, gimme a job! Four years in radio! Office and sales training! Je > peux lire francais! Dante Move to Boston ;-) -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@polyamory.org The law doth punish man or woman, That steals the goose from off the common, But lets the greater felon loose, That steals the common from the goose. Anon, 18th cent., on the enclosures. (courtesy of John Whiting) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #786 ********************************************