From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #674 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, September 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 674 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: San Francisco show? [Chad Schrock ] Re: Present-Tense Tureen (was: New Moxy Fan -- Recommendations?) [Srm9988] Re: fruvous in bars ["Brett A. Lewis" ] Re: That article/Empty newsgroup ["Gabby" ] Edmonton Review (long!) ["Gabby" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:24:14 -0400 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: San Francisco show? nnicole1@my-dejanews.com wrote: > --nicole twn > who assures people that Chad is, in fact, exceedingly tall. Yes, but so is chad. Just not as exceedingly, apparently. > You know, speaking of this whole Chad/chad thing, has anyone > considered the following? In dealing with a [Cc]had, three > possibilities emerge: 1) Each [Cc]had is himself. A distinct possibility. > 2) They are the same person. well, no one here has ever seen the two of us at the same time. Or in the same post, for that matter. > 3) They are each other. Another interesting possibility. > Odds are therefore 2 in 3 that the [Cc]had you're dealing with > is not the one you think! Be wary, everyone. Demand ID. I'm No "identifying marks"????? > pretty sure there's a bad science-fiction story in here somewhere... ....or an old plot from Star Trek. - -- chad@ radix.net What have I, er, we, wrought? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:49:05 EDT From: Srm9988n@aol.com Subject: Re: Present-Tense Tureen (was: New Moxy Fan -- Recommendations?) Vika wrote: >I'm sorry to disappoint you, Richard dear, but the song >*is* about an elf, if you listen to Dave Matheson... Well, yes, it is about an elf -- but what are elves? Elusive creatures who protect rare treasures. I think I understand what Richard was trying to say (which really really scares me!), being decidedly wrong-brained myself: Time is fleeting; you can't isolate a moment; any attempt to do so will not only fail miserably in stopping the clock, but also result in the loss of whatever you might have experienced had you just let yourself be in that moment. I.e. you can engage in process (make soup with the elf, eat it, and be nourished by the experience) or you can engage in sterile analysis and discover it's not really there -- it got away while you were trying to pin it down. Which is exactly what elves do, when you look for them. Very Zen. Right about now the FruFour are probably LOL about this thread -- we're doing exactly what we're not supposed to do with this song. Has anybody out there read Robert Pirsig? - -- Lori, the philosophy-degree holder (that and a loon will buy you a cup of Tim's coffee.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:02:47 -0500 From: "Brett A. Lewis" Subject: Re: fruvous in bars Ok, I've just recently started reading this newsgroup, though I've been a fan of Moxy Fruvous for almost 3 years now. I just noticed this debate and I had to add in my opinion. I am a senior at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. As some of you may know, Moxy Fruvous used to play at a little bar here called Mabel's when they'd come to town (right above an arcade that closed for no reason, but I digress). Anyway, when they'd play, it would be noisy and loud and there would be some drunk people in the crowd who would yell stupid stuff because, well, because they were drunk. It was admittedly not the best place to listen to Moxy Fruvous. However, let's put things in perspective. In Champaign, it is pretty difficult for a band to find a place to play if you don't consider the bars. You have the University sponsored Assembly Hall, but they want a _large_ number of people to show up for that. Most concerts there are limited to the likes of Dave Matthews Band, Bush, and Garbage. Basically, they want mainstream alternative music (with the excpetion of Phish, though the idea that Phish does not fall into this category could be argued... once again, I digress...). Then you have Star Course, which is a student organization that tries to get bands to play here. They'd probably try to get Moxy Fruvous to play for them, but they normally have bands play in Follinger Auditorium, which has some horrible seats (believe me, I know, I have class in that building). There's no room to move while you listen to the music. I know that a lot of people here like to dance. After that, it gets more and more difficult to find a place for them to play. I guess they could play out in the street somewhere or something, but here in Champaign, it's difficult to even find a decent place like that. What does that leave us? The bars. Yeah, I know that the bars are crowded and obnoxious at times, but they're the only good place for Moxy Fruvous to play around here. The only other alternative would be for them to skip Champaign, which I am adamantly opposed to, being a college student with no car and a hectic class schedule which allows almost no tmie for trips further than the city limits. Therefore, I say that bars are a necessary evil for bands who wish to remain close to their fans and stay away from being nothing more than a marketing ploy. If you don't like bars, I apologize. I believe that the argument about younger Fruvous listeners is a shaky one, at least for this town. Like it or not, Champaign-Urbana is a college town with 50,000 students (graduate and undergraduate). We are allowed in the bars at 19, even though you must be 21 to purchase alcohol. The upcoming coming show, however, is not going at The Canopy in Urbana instead of Mabel's, however. I guess that it had to be due to the fact that Mabel's is quite small and they would go over safety standards or something every time Moxy Fruvous would play here. Anyway, the Canopy is not considered a bar because it expects to make over 50% of its money in non-alcohol sales. Because of this, you only have to be 18 or older to get in to see Moxy Fruvous here, which is about as good as you're going to get for Champaign-Urbana. Basically, all I'm saying is that before you start thinking that some band shouldn't play at a bar, consider some of the options first. I know I would have had a difficult time seeing Moxy Fruvous if it hadn't been for them playing at a bar. Just my thoughts. Brett A. Lewis ba-lewis@uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 16:30:03 -0600 From: "Gabby" Subject: Re: That article/Empty newsgroup ZardSnod wrote in message <19980925232515.27663.00001800@ng22.aol.com>... > >>"There are 13 people who live there! All of them >>are named Frank! Even the girl!!" >>-- Arrogant Worms speaking of N. Ontario > >"She's popular..." > "Very popular indeed!" Gabby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:50:57 -0600 From: "Gabby" Subject: Edmonton Review (long!) I went to the Fruvous show on Monday with only three things on my mind: 1. Gee, I hope they play the Kid's Song. 2. Gee, I hope they play Michigan Militia. 3. Gee, I hope I meet some interesting people who are as crazy about Moxy Fruvous as I am. I was not disappointed :-). I arrived at the Sidetrack Cafe around 7, and was met by Doug Sheppard, the first of many nice people I would meet over the course of the evening. I was glad to have someone to talk to, as two of my friends ad stood me up at the last minute (10:30 Monday night isn't the vest time to plan any major events :-\.). But anyway...Doug introduced me to Tobey (sp?), and I was given a Frumiles card, which now has a stamp on it. I feel so *official* :-)! I also bought a poster, and the "Canadian Boys" T-Shirt. I love the shirt already; I've worn it twice and have already gotten all sorts of interesting comments about it... At 9:30 or so, Danya Manning took to the stage. She had a great voice, but I thought that most of her songs were quite forgettable. That being said, she was very funny, and had a good stage presence. Around 11:15, the stagelights changed, and Doug and I scurried up to the front of the stage. A single haunting keyboard note resonated through the cafe, and I knew I was in for a treat- it was the... -EXTENDED SAHARA--Incredible! Everything that has been said about it on this newsgroup is true. I could have spent all night listening to it. Eventually, of course, they moved on to another favorite of mine- -JOCKEY--Yay! -Mike added in the verse about the "yellow sheets on a Hong Kong bed". -B.J--Good stuff- I liked this song better live than I ever have on CD. --At this point, the music stopped and the talking began. The first words out of Jian's mouth were "Goddamn!", followed by an enthusiastic "Shit!". My first thought was, "OK, *someone's* not feeling particularily articulate this evening." But Jian quickly followed up his greeting by saying how beautiful all the waiters and waitresses at the club were. Jian: In fact, I'm thinking of filing a lawsuit. Discrimination! You guys better hire some ugly people, and hire them fast! --Mike thanked everyone for coming out on a Monday night. This somehow led to an impromptu bit about being 19 and not wanting "to come" (yes, let your mind wander...). Jian said that everyone knew what he was talking about, when you're 19 years old and you just *wannit*. Murray: Um, I think this basically applies to 19-year-old guys. --Another highlight? A long tease of Blur's "Song Number 2". (I'm pretty sure that's what it's called; you know, the one that goes, "Whoohooo!...........Whoohoooo!.....) --VIDEO BARGAINVILLE--Now, I've sensed a few negative vibes about this song coming from my fellow ng-ers. But speaking as a person who only gets to see Moxy once a year if she's lucky, I'm hardly going to complain. No, it's not my favorite song, but it's fun to shout "Pissed off the video man!" at the top of your lungs :-). --By this time some audience members had ventured to the dance area where Doug and I were. The crowd was mostly 20-somethings, with a few older couples as well. It was a fairly good crowd, besides a few incidents I will mention later on... --After VIDEO, Jian said that he had actually forgotten the lyrics before singing them. The key, he figured, was not to think about the words, then it's easy to remember them. The minute you conciously think about what the lyrics are, you're screwed. Mike suggested some alternative lyrics, "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death... :-). --HORSESHOES-- Gasp! My *favorite* Moxy song!! I enjoyed it thoroughly, despite the noise generated by the crowd at crucial moments in the song. (All those in favour of the quiet "Look straight at the coming disaster" part actually being *quiet*, raise your hands. Thank you.) --SAD GIRL--Beautiful! My favorite "new song" so far. I had tears in my eyes. Wonderful lyrics, the song definately had a special meaning for me. Jian, if you're reading this, thank you so much for a very touching, meaningful moment! --PISCO BANDITO-- the crowd went wild for this one. I don't remember much about it. I'm sure I liked it, vut it didn't really stick out for me. --I LOVE MY BOSS-- always fun! Standard Thornhill intro.\ Jian: This is a song many of you will relate to....actually, you probably won't :-). --YWGTTM-- Yay! I was hoping they'd stick this one in somewhere. I'm a big fan of songs in which Dave takes the lead (I realize that's kind of a broad statement, but it's true.) --BOO TIME-- Wow! Good audience participation for this one. I had a great time during it, as it was my first time seeing this one live. Here's the middle part, according to the setlist: Feelin' Bushwacked, Happily Sidetracked, Boxer Gerta, Hey Alberta, Princess Xena, Manning Danya, Here to Albania, Manning Mania- Smoke a little Boo with the Fruvous crew, x4. --The black hats went away, and Jian started talking about the political problems facing our society. He said it was a shame there was so much tension between Canada's two founding nations: the English and the Cree :-). (I thought this was hilarious, and started to clap loudly. He responded by looking out into the crowd and saying, "Um, yeah, thanks for applauding my lame joke :-)". Anyway such an intro could only mean one thing- --THE KID'S SONG--Sure, the song sounds great on the album, but seeing it live truely brings it, well, to life (how's that for an obvious statement?). I love the three gender biases :-). --FLY-- I sat down by the speakers for this one, and let the song "wash over me". Nice moment. --After FLY, the crowd started to get restless. One lone cry for the King of Spain quickly multiplied into a number of sorry individuals crying out for "THE KING OF SPAIN" as loudly as they could. I was interested to see how the boys would deal with it. Jian looked at a couple in the front with a perfect look of condescendance mixed with exasperation, and said quietly, "Umm...yeah, don't worry, we'll get to that...Just be patient." At that moment I felt really bad for the guys. Then Jian went on to say that lately they had been playing a lot in the U.S, where the audiences actually knew and liked them for more than one song. Ouch. These may not have been *quite* his words, sorry Jian, if I've misquoted you. But his comment certainly had a stinging edge to it, and I felt it was quite appropriate. But no matter, because up came the... --MICHIGAN MILITIA-- My Lord, I'm still grinning over this one :-)!! Horseshoes may be my favorite Fruvous song, but Michi comes in a very close second. --The guys start talking about the pro-food movement, and I knew we were in for.. --JPHNNY SAUCEP'N-- Doug and I sang along for this one, of course. It was so much fun singing it with someone else who actually knows all the words! [After all, Doug is the first Fruhead I've ever met, and hopefully not the last :-).] --MESSAGE--Wonderful!! The sound was great, except for a few inebriated individuals who thought it would be hilarious to talk really loudly whenever there was a quiet beat (it wasn't). --Next up, the famous (infamous?) KING OF SPAIN!-- Highlights? Dave: Now, some of you might be wondering how I came to be working in North America at all of these shit jobs... :-). --"There's a hat on your head..." "I love you King!" --King segued into what I am assuming was- --GREEN EGGS AND HAM-- (Short version). Jian: Hey, not the Beatles, this is Alberta, they all have guns. --Mike said something really funny about Dave not liking some of the lyrics to "Get Back". I wish I remembered exactly what he said...any ideas, Doug? --MBLABOA-- Not my favorite Moxy song, but they could have played an hour long tribute to Yanni, and I wouldn't have complained :-). --GET IN THE CAR-- Yay, *another* Dave song :-)! It sounded even better than it does on CD- much more energetic! --LOVE POTION MEDLEY-- My first instinct was to laugh, because I had been singing the title song with some friends in my English class that afternoon. Great collection of songs- and I loved the Jewel part :-)!! --They left the stage briefly, then came back and launched into... --PSYCHO KILLER-- I cannot tell you how much I love this song- it sends chills down my spine! Mike threw me off guard by singing one of the middle lines in English! Then, last but not least... --THE DRINKING SONG-- Beautiful moment. I sang along proudly, as did a surpizing number of others in the audience. After the show I talked to a couple of cool people (Hello to Jenny and Amy, if you're out there...). Then I got to meet Jian!! Of course, I couldn't think of anything intelligant to say. Jian thought that we had met before and I assured him that no, I would have remembered if we had! He signed my YWGTTM CD, and I got a picture taken with him! I hung around for a bit longer, hoping that maybe the others would come out for a while. Someone told me that they wouldn't be making an appearance, since they had to leave for Salmon Arm in about 5 hours. I left then, and later regretted not waiting longer. I would have *loved* to meet Dave, I have some musical things I'd like to be able to talk to him about...oh well, another time, I suppose. Congratulations, you've made it to the end of my review! Thank you, Moxy, for venturing out to Edmonton. Don't hesitate to drop by again! Krista (Known as Gabby to fellow ammf users...) ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #674 ********************************************