From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #412 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, September 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 412 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Fw: F&F for C (was Re: FruCon II) ["A.J. LoCicero" ] Re: WXPN review [gemini@p3.net (Trace)] Re: Attn Kevin Way [affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affannato)] Re: Songs never heard wish list ["Summer Young" ] Re: cover tune wish list [starfox@Bacon.Eggs.And.NOSPAM.nationwide.net (S] Re: EFO/Jim's Big Ego ["Arbie Fru" Subject: Re: Fw: F&F for C (was Re: FruCon II) nafio@my-dejanews.com wrote: > I'd just like to apologize for starting this thread. I realized a few hours > later that Chris had posted details about FruConII earlier that day and if I > had checked there again instead of asking everyone, this wouldn't have > started, much less gotten way out of hand. Not your fault at all Nafs. This thread is part of a simmering pool of slight paranoia, misunderstandings, projection, and rash overreaction that unfortunately pervade this newsgroup. It all goes back at least as far as the Original "Conservative Fan" thread that I started like a year and a half ago. (Remember that mess? The original question got lost within 2 days!) It seems to me that every time anyone raises any issue that has to do with political/moral/religeous belief in this NG, people become a bit nervous (fearing a flame war or worse)and the shrillness level begins to escalate. Everyone tries (I think genuinely) to remain calm but stuff starts to get out of hand and people become rather strident, feeling the need to defend their positions, rather than just discuss. Whether there are conservative Frufans, and how they deal with things like a F&FFC show is (I think) pretty interesting. However, arguments of whether or not Fruvous should in fact hold such events, and questions about the fairness or propriety of such shows are way out of line and not worth discussing. In my opinion. A.J. - -- One of life's tragedies: Given her parentage, Canada could have had American know-how, French culture, and British government. Instead she wound up with British know-how, French Government, and American culture. _____ _ / ____(_) | | _ ___ ___ _ __ ___ | | | |/ __/ _ \ '__/ _ \ | |____| | (_| __/ | | (_) | \_____|_|\___\___|_| \___/ @wwnet.com ICQ#: 13117113 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 00:23:46 GMT From: gemini@p3.net (Trace) Subject: Re: WXPN review On 4 Sep 1998 19:16:09 GMT, BEQS26C@prodigy.com (Brian Nicholson) wrote: > Anyway I just heard the highlights on WXPN... here's a little review: > >The good: a nice long set. I now have Green eggs and ham and the love >potion medley on tape, which is cool. After BJ don't cry the set rocked. >I didn't see 'em at penn's landing, soI can't complain that much about >parts of the set removed. > >The bad: no improv, few hippy on the post refrences,all the songs aired I >knew and most I had on CD, except GE+H and love potion medley. There were >none of the little improvs which i already mentioned, but that's what I'm >most angry about.The one time i saw 'em live, August second, there were >lots of new songs and improv. Oh well. I'll just wait for wood and the b >album to be released in The USA. > Yep, it was nice, but they managed to cut everything I REALLY wanted to tape from that show...Minnie, Boo Time and the hippie on the post improv. Oh well, can't have everything I suppose :) - -- Trace gemini@p3.net "They're like Robin Williams singing, times 4." -Anonymous comment about Fruvous overheard in the 8th & Market subway station in Philadelphia following the 1998 Singer/Songwriter Festival. ~~I am Fruhead. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.~~ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 1998 05:43:28 GMT From: affannat@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Kelly D Affannato) Subject: Re: Attn Kevin Way Thanks Kev! Glad to have reminded you! - --->Kel Kevin Way (kevin@doyl257-pri.voicenet.com) wrote: : >Ok; : > I am sorry to post this to the whole NG, but I need infoe quickly : >and have no working e-mail for Kevin. So Kevin, read this and please get : >in touch with me re: NOHO tix. : > : >Sorry again; : >ciao; : > : >Kelly : sorry to followup to the whole ng... but... no working e-mail on her side. : Kel- : I hadn't gotten around to ordering them, but thanks for reminding me! I'll : either order them tonight or tomorrow (depending on if they're an open : on friday night type operation or not) : G'day! : Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 05:37:23 GMT From: "Summer Young" Subject: Re: Songs never heard wish list > >> I'm totally with you on the Pork Tenderloin. It's actually called >> Alice's Restaurant" if you remember Dave mentioned it just before Murray >> bust into it. It's a movie too, from the 70's I think. There's a verse >> or two that goes along with each section of the movie. I saw it once >> (and am planning to see it again soon), it not bad. > >pork tenderloin = alice's restaurant??? > >i'm disturbed. > >i haven't heard it yet so...is it true? > >loren. >who is very confused by this...for some perhaps not so odd reason. > > Well, what happened was this: It was August 7 at Mel Lastman Square in Toronto. The guys were about to do "Pisco Bandito". Jian was having some problem with the guitar, and Murray started to introduce the song. He was playing some chords and talking kinda slow. Dave says something to the effect of "Geez, I thought you were about to do 'Alice's Restaurant'". At that point, Murray busts into "Alice's Restaurant", in which a search for a pork tenderloin is mentioned several times. That last post about it was just to say that it was actually "Alice's Restaurant", a song from the 70's by Arlow Guthrie which I would LOVE to hear again. I just felt I should clarify that since everyone seemed to be calling it "Pork Tenderloin". I apologize for confusing you. I tend to do that to people. ->Summer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 1998 06:16:28 GMT From: starfox@Bacon.Eggs.And.NOSPAM.nationwide.net (Starfox) Subject: Re: cover tune wish list DrX wrote: : When the children cry - white snake. :) *anal retentive mode on* Um actually, it's by White Lion. *anal retentive mode off* Starfox "Close enough for government work. Awesome suggestion though! :)" - -- Starfox starfox (at) nationwide dot net "We each pay a fabulous price, for our visions of paradise." - Rush "Mission" ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 1998 06:32:33 GMT From: "Arbie Fru" Subject: Re: EFO/Jim's Big Ego Colleen Campbell wrote in article <35f05f99.154671848@news2.ibm.net>... > Falling madly in love can do that to you. . . > > ceecee > Needless to say (so I'll say it anyway) I and the rest of your ng friends are thrilled for you! And many of us (well ok me) are more than a little jealous *sigh* - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc Reply address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. arbie_fru@bc.sympatico.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have to drill through mud and water to get oil, you have to sift through sand and silt to get gold, you have to chop and hack through stone to get diamonds--- so why do so many people feel that the treasure of ideas should come to them with little or no effort? -Sidney J. Harris - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 15:51:35 +0100 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: What is folk music? Fairly off topic I know, but I just found this letter on the web pages of Folk Roots (), an extremely grumpy and biased British music magazine. It made me larf anyway... Your Editor's definition of World Music from a few issues ago is spot on, as are his comments on the f-word, but I'm disappointed he ducked the opportunity to define folk music once and for all. After being involved in a radio show and a festival for a few years, I've accumulated enough research to offer the following. North American singer/songwriter definition: Folk is anything that includes, somewhere in the mix, however far buried beneath the synth, the too-loud snare drum and the four-piece horn section, an acoustic guitar. Electric guitar is OK if played by a singer/songwriter who might at one point have owned an acoustic guitar. If said singer/songwriter never owned an acoustic guitar then it still counts as long as they are trying to sound like Joni Mitchell (which covers 90 percent of all U.S.A. female examples) or Bob Dylan (likewise, male), or write songs containing the word "dolphin". If you don't believe that this is true then try following any of the U.S.-based 'folk' e-mail lists on any random day. Alternative North American definition, folk-stroke-Celtic: Anything from anywhere in the British Isles and/or Ireland and or anywhere else as long as there's a cover of She Moved Through The Fair on the CD and a minimum quotient of whooshy Enya-noises. Also, anything with a harp, particularly if played by Loreena McKennitt or anybody else who has received more than the U.N.-recommended maximum exposure to new-age crystal shops. Australian/U.K. folk club definition: A folk song is any song of which more than twenty percent of the words have been forgotten during the course of any given performance. Any song containing the words shearer, drover, billy or tea (Australia) or any song beginning with two lines of meteorology (England) and/or taking place in the month of May, and/or having protagonists named Nancy and/or Willy making incomprehensible bargains with bent jewellery or murdering one another over verbal pre-nuptual agreements. Universal no-exception totally watertight force-of-law definition: anything, absolutely anything, with a melodeon, is now and ever more shall be folk. This used to be true for banjos as well until the Flecktones came along, and it's almost entirely true for bouzoukis, citterns and their diverse bastard offspring. Concertinas are allowed to pretend not to be folk, but piano accordeons are banned altogether unless played by Phil Cunningham, Karen Tweed or Astor Piazzolla. Fiddles turn into violins and stop being folk when played up at the dusty end, unless they are played in funny tunings in which case they are always folk, and even more so if they've got extra strings in funny places or are played by Chipolatas with kebab sticks. Any of the above, or anything else, is automatically folk when played by personages in flat hats or other ethnic costumes or by blokes wearing dresses. Getting serious now for a minute, what folk really is, of course, is music with its roots in the past but its branches wherever they choose to grow. And, getting even more serious now, words do matter. The any-singer-songwriter-with-an-acoustic-guitar definition has made a complete nonsense of the term 'folk', and it's time we rehabilitated it. Steve Barnes, Fairbridge Festival, Fremantle, Western Australia Pip pip (and sorry if the formatting gets addled) Richard - ------------------------------------------ - -- Chandler, just go and ask her out. - -- No. - -- What's the worst thing that can happen? - -- I might die. - ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #412 ********************************************