From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #395 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Wednesday, September 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 395 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Musical stuff... (was: Re: More About the New Pins...) [Chad Schroc] Re: Where have all the Fruheads gone? ["Arbie Fru" ] Re: More About the New Pins... [zardsnod@aol.com (ZardSnod)] Re: yet another newbie post! [Chad Schrock ] Re: Fw: F&F for C (was Re: FruCon II) [zardsnod@aol.com (ZardSnod)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:16:48 -0400 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Musical stuff... (was: Re: More About the New Pins...) Chad Maloney wrote: > Chad Schrock wrote: > > You just squint a lot? :) > > Well, no. I used to get headaches when I read, but that went > away in Junior High. Now, I don't think I need glasses, or > if I do, it isn't that drastic so I'm not worrying about it. Sounds like a good plan. > And if/when I do need glasses, I have the IBM vision plan > backing me up this time! Always a plus. Usually. Well, sometimes. I think. Ugh, I need some sleep. - -- chad@ radix.net ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 1998 03:28:25 GMT From: "Arbie Fru" Subject: Re: Where have all the Fruheads gone? By my calculation even with my somewhat flaky newsfeed we have been averaging 50 posts/day during the week, somewhat less on weekends. Of course, unless you use dejanews or similar all you are likely to find are the last two weeks worth stored on your server. But nice to have you back anyway :>) - -- Arbie "Brassman" on irc Reply address altered to discourage spammers, sorry for the inconvenience. arbie_fru@bc.sympatico.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- You have to drill through mud and water to get oil, you have to sift through sand and silt to get gold, you have to chop and hack through stone to get diamonds--- so why do so many people feel that the treasure of ideas should come to them with little or no effort? -Sidney J. Harris - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:15:50 -0400 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: Chad VS Chad (WAS: Musical stuff) Chad Maloney wrote: > Chad Schrock wrote: > > Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!! > > > > Where can I get them? I want a "Chad's Mom" too! > > Well, sir, you are one of the many people who already have > a Chad's Mom! A-ha! That's true, I *do* have a Chad's Mom! > Ironically enough, any woman theoretically can > become a Chad's Mom and the decision to become a Chad's Mom > is dependent on her (and anyone else involved in the decision > of Child naming). Be reminded that not everyone would work > best as a Chad's Mom. Sometimes is may be beneficial to be > a Jason's Mom (or the ever popular Chris's Mom). Note that > even if you attempt to set into your role, there may be > changes later. For example, Elizabeth's Mom could turn into > Zard's Mom. This transition may not be easy and the Mom may > resist the change and still attempt to be an Elizabeth's Mom. I understand mothers can be like that. Fathers, sometimes, too. chad * basking in the glow of actually having one of the, limited edition, Chad's Mom. - -- chad@ radix.net ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 1998 03:42:38 GMT From: zardsnod@aol.com (ZardSnod) Subject: Re: More About the New Pins... Geenius wrote: >> Instead of implying "we're special and cool" it implys - "hey, we're having >> fun; come join us - here's how!" > >To you it implies that. To the person who sees you wearing it, it >implies, "Hey, I'm a big geek." But if you're cool with that, then by all >means, go with it. > > But I AM a big geek - why hide it?! ;-) - -Zard "www.washme.com" - seen on the back window of a filthy station wagon, heading to Owen Sound, ON ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:33:27 -0400 From: Chad Schrock Subject: Re: yet another newbie post! ellen p. buckley wrote: > Chad Schrock wrote: > > > Not for a couple of months though, unless you consider Mass. > > "in the area." (And this is even after we offered up bribes > > to get the FruLads back down here. :) > > i would like to mention here that my offer of margaritas for > everyone still stands. i'll even make guacamole. i make a > rockin' guacamole. oooh. that sounds good. > peace, > ellen (and you can play in my living room, if everywhere else is > booked.) is it too early to reserve a place on the couch? :) - -- chad@ radix.net ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 1998 03:37:08 GMT From: zardsnod@aol.com (ZardSnod) Subject: Re: Fw: F&F for C (was Re: FruCon II) I've waited to respond to this because I wanted to mull it over, and the following is what I've come up with. It's very hard to approach this issue from a non-political standpoint (and without horribly offending anyone, which I do strive to avoid), and as much as I've tried, there's a bit in there. I hope this doesn't spark a rabid discussion, but rather an exchange of viewpoints. There are three main points here: 1) that F&FFC falls on FruCon weekend, and people who don't agree with the politics may not attend the show, 2) that some of those people may not support it financially, but will still try to attend the show (ie: will sneak in, or somehow attend without giving money that will go to the cause), 3) that some people are upset at being put in that position of having to choose. People who are upset about FruCon weekend happening at the same time as F&FFC need to remember that, in setting a weekend for FruCon, it would be really easy IF the guys weren't to be involved. If we wanted to do this entirely independently, we could pick any weekend suitable for us, and any place. However, the guys volunteered their time to join FruCon for an hour or so last year, and I believe are offering their time again for 1999. If we want them to volunteer their time, it behooves us to go along with the weekend that they offer us. If they choose to offer us time on the same weekend as F&FFC, it's done expressly (I would assume) for 2 reasons: first, that they KNOW that they'll be home, in Toronto, that weekend. As late as their schedule sometimes seems to fall into place, that is a great help, as it means we can all make our travel plans well in advance. Secondly, that many Fruheads will be in town, and by and large, Fruheads tend to have similar politics to the band. Thus, they have a ready-made contingent of supporters for a cause they obviously believe strongly in, and have supported for many years, since well before FruCon was even a gleam in someone's eye. But, they're not FORCING anyone to attend, as a prerequisite for attending FruCon, or any of the other shows that weekend. Additionally, keep in mind that in no way, shape, or form does Moxy Fruvous OWE their fans anything. They give us great shows and albums, we buy their discs, and have fun at the shows. That's how most bands conduct business, and everyone's fine with that. Because Fruvous are so much more open to meeting and interacting with their fans, and obviously are fairly touched that we seem to care so much about them and their work, they take it upon themselves to offer us a lot more than most bands do. I find it very unfair if we seem to start expecting the favors (such as an hour of rare-bits at FruCon), instead of treating them as special favors. The second issue is those who attend the show, although refusing to pay money to attend. This shows a basic disrespect of the band and what they stand for. Historically, from the very start, Moxy Fruvous has been a politically-oriented band. They've written on political issues for CBC, for themselves, and most recently for the whole MegaCity controversy in Toronto. Recently, in the States, I don't think we've seen that much of that side of them (except for the Arkansas reaction to "Greatest Man in America"!), but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Even if you disagree with their views, in this case on the pro-choice issue, if you respect them as a band and as people, I'd imagine that you would agree that they have a right to support the causes they believe in, even if they run counter to yours. Attending a show of theirs (in support of something they really believe in, and you don't) without paying shows a basic lack of respect of them in general. If you can't bring yourself to support pro-choice, then just don't go to the show. We've run through the whole "can people with opposing views to Fruvous be Fruheads" question, and I think we've seen that they can, but there has to be a basic respect for the Fruvous viewpoint, as well. Third, people are upset at being forced to choose - "Frushow or supporting my own view?" (if you're pro-life) Well, it comes down to which is more important to you, and since pro-choice vs. pro-life is something that people kill for (why is it the pro-lifers who shoot doctors dead at clinics?), obviously feelings run strong. If you can't support pro-choice, don't come to the show. Everyone will respect you for being true to yourself, and honest, and there will be many more Frushows to attend in the future (and even that weekend). If you can support it, please do - go to the show! Fruvous isn't combining FruCon and F&FFC specifically to make anyone miss a great show - they want to do this and FruCon, and they're a convenient weekend to put together. Attend what you can, but please respect the guys' right to support their own political causes - it's one of the things that keeps them a folk band. /me steps off of well-used soapbox. - -Zard "www.washme.com" - seen on the back window of a filthy station wagon, heading to Owen Sound, ON ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #395 ********************************************