From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #163 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, July 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Boston stuff ["Tara L. Jennings" ] Re: Oswego, 7/24 review [ourhamster@aol.com (OurHamster)] Re: Trying to figure out the "horseshoes" metaphor... [ourhamster@aol.com] Re: Trying to figure out the "horseshoes" metaphor... [joshw@bgnet.bgsu.e] Re: Trying to figure out the "horseshoes" metaphor... [starfox@Bacon.Eggs] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:13:10 -0400 From: "Tara L. Jennings" Subject: Boston stuff hi everyone - I'm new to the boston (metrowest) area - marlborough to be exact. actually, my fiancee has beaten me here - ben cordes :) I had a thought - depending on the guys' schedule, ie if they're going to be in town all night - we should suggest they go someplace cool for dinner, like fire and ice on church street. whaddaya think? also, I will in all liklihood be driving from concord to town for the show on friday, so I may be able to give people rides in my new 98 Explorer :) - -tara...GothFru? ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 1998 20:01:07 GMT From: ourhamster@aol.com (OurHamster) Subject: Re: Oswego, 7/24 review [comments interspersed throughout] >let's see, who was there... buffalo and rochester people, really ... >andy >(or is it andi?), The Man aka dave, misty/maige, the guy that has a daily >show >jacket , cricket, some girls from buffalo that were vaguely familiar, some >kid from school, 3 somewhat annoying little boys from rochester, jeff mcrae >(steven page's body double ), my friend kitana of course annnd.. other >people i recognize but i don't know/remember their names... (oh, also a >good looking guy with an old TMBG apollo 18 tour shirt .. hehe.. i'd seen >him earlier and knew he had to be there for früvous..) Oh yeah, and me *sniff* >and spent a LONG time bantering:) aye...that's what made this show so much fun :) >my favourite pre-song banter : >tuning a bit, a little feedback came from murray's bass, to which jian said >"murray, you're feeding." and muray replied "no, i'm just lactating." Mike threw that into BJ...can't remember where, but he definitely ended a line with "Feeding" > oh yeah, dave's banjo has been artistically altered by mike:) in the same >style as the multi-colour flame-like paint on the bj don't cry page of >bargainville's liner notes. :) very pretty! Heh...and to think, when I saw the banjo on Friday, I thought, "Wow...I can't believe I never noticed that design in the banjo before!" I figured it was because I had previously only been at Stage Dave, and thus the banjo may have been turned away or glared or something. Or, there's the idea that I'm losing my mind, which is the most probable. (or, mabye it was new :) >could do their 'no tresspassing' song. "hey guys, think back to 3 months ago >when we wrote that song about no trespassing!" "it's to the tune of our song >[singing the same tune] - staaaaaaage ooonnnnn a barge"... and then they >mentioned how *that* was to the tune of their song "baaaaaaarr-eetttt >agency.." >which prompted more banter about the barret agency. mostly by mike.. Yeah, they also bantered about the agency formerly being a bank (in a Jimmy Sewart voice)..."Mr. _______ is taking over the whole town" (what's the name)? Ahh, yes...Mr. Potter. (Thanks to the IMDB) >child 23! > there was a little kid (looked about 9) at the top of the hill with a >jersey >on, #23. i don't know why they started picking on him, but a big song started >about "child 23". >"oswego's so small, they just number the children." >murray: "come here, little 9!" :) >(the kid looked pretty pissed )... "he's gonna be in 14 years of therapy!" >"we just took away his childhood!" Yeah, I never spotted Phil Donahue *or* Child 23! >other stuff: > then there was some jokes about fried dough... Also led to discussion on how only Americans would buy the stuff. "The people buying the stuff are just laughing: 'You want some fried dough? Sure...heh heh heh'" They also noted that "it's one of the most filling foods"... KoS: "Let's give all of these people...fried dough" >someone >shouted "Istanbul!" and jian said "i am mister worm"... ~ a "Dr. Worm" TMBG >reference! yay! now if i could only hear the song... I thought it was Dave who said that...? - ---------------------------------------- '#,:#$#. ,,, $, #, ,, ,,, :# '#; .#' `, #, ,$ .# #; .#' ` $# '# ##. : #,,#' #' '# ##. ,:' ,#' '#:,,#' ;' "#,,$#,. '#:,' - ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 1998 20:29:39 GMT From: ourhamster@aol.com (OurHamster) Subject: Re: Trying to figure out the "horseshoes" metaphor... >Could someone out there explain the "horseshoes" metaphor to me? >I've been puzzling it over ever since Wood came out, and I haven't >been quite able to pin down a plausable explanation. > > -Mike Pelletier. Are you referring to the basic horseshoe metaphor?: "You keep handing out horseshoes Horseshoes have gotta be tossed." As far as I see it, the song discusses setting yourself up for disappointment. The kid who lets his sister set up a crash with the train set, the guy who lets his girlfriend see another guy--in these situations, the guy is putting himself in circumstances that can only lead to disaster. The kid should *expect* that the train set burst into flames, and the guy should *expect* that his girlfriend never return. It's like handing someone a horseshoe and expecting them not to throw it, but "horseshoes have gotta be tossed". But alas, perhaps someone else can explain it more precisely... - --Novac - ---------------------------------------- '#,:#$#. ,,, $, #, ,, ,,, :# '#; .#' `, #, ,$ .# #; .#' ` $# '# ##. : #,,#' #' '# ##. ,:' ,#' '#:,,#' ;' "#,,$#,. '#:,' - ---------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 1998 20:50:56 GMT From: joshw@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Josh Woodward) Subject: Re: Trying to figure out the "horseshoes" metaphor... Michael Pelletier (mikep@-spamblock-izzy.net) wrote: : Could someone out there explain the "horseshoes" metaphor to me? I've always seen it as a cause-effect metaphor. Whenever you do something, there's a consequence. If you choose a path, the consequence has got to happen. If you let your sister play with your train, it's going to explode. If you have a horseshoe, it's gotta be tossed. But when it comes down to it, I could be wrong and probably am. The song means whatever you'd like it to. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Woodward, CheEsy Fru. joshw@mail.bgsu.edu Web Site and Tape List: http://www.dc-adnet.com/joshw/ "When I hold you, there are no secrets." - Fruvous ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 1998 20:50:38 GMT From: starfox@Bacon.Eggs.And.NOSPAM.nationwide.net (Starfox) Subject: Re: Trying to figure out the "horseshoes" metaphor... OurHamster wrote: [a very good explanation] : But alas, perhaps someone else can explain it more precisely... The only thing I would add to it is that it also conveys the message to be aware when those types of situations present themselves. "Look straight at the coming disaster, realize what you've lost." For example the guy who let's the girl see another guy, well, if she's asking for that, you should realize that situation is probably already lost. And don't hold out false hope and give out a horseshoe. Starfox "Wish I had heard the song about 6 months ago." - -- Starfox starfox (at) nationwide dot net "We each pay a fabulous price, for our visions of paradise." - Rush "Mission" ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #163 ********************************************