From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #153 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: greetings from Alberta! ["MTKeener" ] Re: Walmart Policies (related to Warning Sticker thread) ["MTKeener" Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Melanie wrote.... >The tobacco lobby? The private industry lobby(ies)? The NRA lobby? > >Lobbies represent a specific side of an issue, not the issue itself. That is >why they exist....... I don't want a lobby to represent me, even if I happen to belong to its >organization (if there is one, which there isn't always). Absolutely. I smoke cigarettes, but they don't represent my views, even about smoking!!! >By impure, I mean, not truly democratic/republican. There's too much >fascist/socialist influence for my idealistic view of how things should work >to come about, not in my lifetime at least. With a little bit of luck, it'll be in your lifetime. I don't know what anyone else here thinks, but doesn't it seem like there's some acceleration in humanity of late? Matt (ever the optimist) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:49:21 -0400 From: "MTKeener" Subject: Re: Walmart Policies (related to Warning Sticker thread) Paul wrote.... >....However in some areas, Walmart is the only >place around for many miles. Thus, they have the band in the palm of >their hand. If they don't release an edited version, an entire group >of people may not be able to get the album unless they can order it >over the internet. But not everyone who wants the music has internet >or a credit card! I may sound a bit bigoted here but if your sole shopping choice is Wal-Mart, you have larger problems than not being able to find the latest CD from your favorite band. > >The consumer can be cheated because he or she could unknowingly buy a >censored album and not be getting the whole thing. All of this is >entirely at Walmart's discretion. Sheryl Crow definitely knows this >end of the story, as one of her albums was banned from Walmart for >mentioning the store in a song in a way they didn't like. > Bully for her! If an "artist" (quotes emphasized) would stoop so low as to put out a "Wal-Mart" edition just because "Wal-Mart" wouldn't carry the original, I probably don't want their CD anyhow..... >I think that warning labels probably do more good than harm as long as >it is left to the discretion of the band and record labels. The only >problem is a lack of a description of the content. As an example, >Moxy's use of the F-word on Live Noise is, for the most part, harmless >in my opinion. A parent might listen That's what the sticker's for. To reduce the amount of time and thought required by the parent. That's why parents need the government's protections. ;-) ;-) >to the album and decide it's OK >for his or her child to listen to the music and maybe just caution >im/her about repeating the words. The problem is that the same label >goes on albums with content including rape, murder, and other acts of >violence and hatred. These albums get more of the publicity and I >think that maybe the labels are associated with that type of content. >Is there an easy solution? Probably not other than maybe being open >minded and screening the music ahead of time. Several stores in my >area will open a CD for you and re-shrink wrap it if you don't want >it. > >I would definitely be opposed to a law requiring the labels. >Similarly, what Walmart does seems extremely unfair to the artists who >may be forced to comply with their rules in order to reach a wider >market. If they're really an artist, they'd say "F**CK WAL-MART!!!" After all, artists are used to being poor..... >I suppose every store has the right to determine what >merchandise it will carry, but it ends up being a weapon for Walmart. > >Anyway, I shall step off my soap box and put on my fire-resistant suit >in preparation :) > >Paul > No jacket required, my friend. Matt (who bought "Tuesday Night Music Club" the second day it was out 'cause I heard it on WCBE and it kicked!!! Until it got overplayed in the mainstream and I haven't listened to it since -- sorry Cheryl) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 1998 05:08:14 GMT From: starfox@Bacon.Eggs.And.NOSPAM.nationwide.net (Starfox) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! MTKeener wrote: : And I can't stand Diet *anything* or Pepsi...but I forgot who Michael Jordan : is pitching for these days.... Well, if the Bull's choice in head coach is any indication, it may be for the White Sox's minors again. :) These days Jordan still does Gatorade commercials I believe. I don't think he's done soft drinks (or "pop" for the civilized) in a while. Starfox "Coke, Pepsi, I don't care as long as it has caffiene!" - -- Starfox starfox (at) nationwide dot net "We each pay a fabulous price, for our visions of paradise." - Rush "Mission" ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 1998 06:06:37 GMT From: dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! >zardsnod@aol.com (ZardSnod) wrote: >democracy is equal sufferage that the population can vote for those who they >wish to represent them. Which may or may not reflect the personal, gender, >race, etc. attributes of said voting population. >As a white woman, I may very well choose to vote for a black man, yet I'm >still >involved in the democratic process. I agree that due to the finances >involved >in setting up and seeing through a candidacy, the choice of candidates is >somewhat pre-limited, yet the 18+ public certainly has democratic choice. >Registering to vote is being made easier and easier all the time, too. yes, i agree with you that a white woman voting for a black man is particpating in the democratic system. perhaps you misunderstood me, i in know way meant to imply that in order for there to be democracy, each person must vote for his or her own race, religion, etc. however, what i feel is not democracy is the virtual inability of certain groups, mostly the poor, to actually get a legislative voice, either due to resignation ( due to historical ignorance of their plight) or the inibility to actually get to the polls ( once again, i bring th example of the cliched poverty stricken, single mother with 10 kids, who is so busy trying to get her kids away from gangs, drugs, crime, etc, that she cannot possibly find the time to vote). >Just wanted to warn you not to toss democracy about lightly - I think a lot >more democratic choice is available than is being taken advantage of. > well, it all depends on how you look at it. from your standpoint, you are right. from that mother's point, there's quite alot of room for improvement. i by no means wish to toss democracy about lightly, i wish to find it. - -nora ************************************************************************** ******* " there's something exciting about the failure of modern technology to create a real looking fake human." - john linnell nora cohen (dot0926@aol.com) **************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 10:58:45 +0100 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! MTKeener wrote: > Pinhead Matt (am I elected yet?) Not sure. Do you look good on telly? Actually serious point -- in my experience most people have fairly well thought out and unchanging political opinions. So the politicians don't actually bother to campaign at the majority, there's little point, as most people have made their minds up about who they're going to vote for long before an election campaign starts. So there's a *minority* of people whose thought processes run along the lines of `Oh, I'll vote Clinton / Blair / Hitler, he's got a big willy / nice smile / loud voice (delete as appropriate)' that are the target of election campaigns. That is why most campaigns seem so innane and vacuous -- not because all voters are in fact innane and vacuous, but because politicians target the part of the population likely to change their minds. By the way, no offence intended to people who actually do change their minds about politics, I'm certainly in that category, only offence intended to people who change their voting intentions on the basis of naff TV campaigns. Pip pip Richard - ------------------------------------------------ Who knows what mystic thoughts may be whispering among the mossy groves of his crutty shins? (Spike Milligna -- the well known typing error.) - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 1998 11:36:09 GMT From: fruwench@aol.com (FruWench) Subject: Re: Boston gig Two choices for driving. 1 - leave immediately after the show, sleep in the van, and drive through the night. Or 2 - leave around 6 am, but then they'll hit rush hour traffic at Baltimore, Philly and possibly New York. Or fly. But if they fly, the van still has to get to Boston. Poor Tobey, poor Cal. At least the next three are relatively close together. ladywench FruSpace - We came, we saw, we slept on the floor . . . ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #153 ********************************************