From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #135 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, July 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 135 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: greetings from Alberta! [dacilen@bu.edu (Vika Zafrin)] RE: greetings from Alberta! ["Demetriou, Melanie" i find that to be an unfair comparison. (once again, here comes my >objective/subjective argument). if you are living in an earthquake prone area, >it is a fact, undisputable and objective, and everything should be done to >protect you from the potential physical harm. Well, if we're taking the earthquake metaphor (?? is that what I should be calling it? my English not so good this morning...) further, then I'll point out that there are *many* earthquake-proofed buildings in non-earthquake-prone areas. Aside from which, who owes it to me to protect me from the potential physical harm? Only I do, and only if I decide that I do. Nobody else owes me anything in that department. Nevertheless, we have earthquake-proofed buildings, and police, etc.1 >on the other hand, what freedom >is, who deserves it, who doesn''t, who should be protected etc., is pure >opinion. it's sad that in this supposedly modern, thinking society we think of >exposure to the world as dangerous and frightening as an earthquake. Well, if we live in the modern, thinking society we keep calling it (who will get the Fru-reference, I wonder...) then - *again* - why should we be afraid of someone's *opinion* being expressed via a sticker? Your whole argument on that was based on the fact that some people in this society *don't* think, and thus are easily influenced by the stickers. So which are we, thinking or non-thinking? If we're thinking, then there's no problem - nobody will be unduly influenced by a sticker. If, on the other hand, we're not thinking, then maybe the stickers will *get* us thinking - via our kids, perhaps, whose responsibility it is to come talk to us and shake us out of our complacency (and I will no longer argue my point about whether or not children should be able to talk to their parents without fear) if they really want to listen to the record with the sticker on it. >im not sure of the true definition, but wouldn't that also fall into the >slander field? Hmm. Not sure. >>So if the artist feels that it's censorship for the warning >>stickers to be placed on their record, they're free to go find another >>label, or do the promotion/distribution themselves. >> > >easy to say, but not to do. My argument wasn't about "easy". It was about the freedom to do so. It's not easy to build a house, either, but as long as you buy the land, you're free to build one. > should an >artist be forced to make the choice between forced self inflicted censorship >and the inability to create? Those are NOT the only choices. As I said, the artist can go to another label... or create his/her own. May I mention Ani DiFranco and her Righteous Babe record label? She is determined, she is creative, she knows what she wants - and here it is. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vika [VEE-kah] Zafrin Patron Saint of Caffeine dacilen at bu dot edu aka Coffee Fru "You and your hula dance of culinary delight..." -ceecee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:12:36 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: greetings from Alberta! On Monday, July 20, 1998 7:19 PM, MTKeener [SMTP:keenerms@ix.netcom.com] wrote: > >I heard something on the radio that completely disgusted me a couple weeks > >ago. One of the best funk/dance tunes of all time, _Play That Funky Music_, > >has been hit by the PC police. The lyrics now say: "Play that funky music. > >Play that funky music right!" Apparently, "white boy" can no longer be said > >on the radio. > > > That would be the Intel commercial. So much for progressive companies that > empower us.... Oh, yeah, the Intel commercial. Well, they may have started it, but this was the whole song, played in regular rotation. I've heard it on stations in two states. It's an epidemic, I tell ya'! The word police (disguised as nice PC advocates) are coming to get us.... Melanie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:20:42 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: greetings from Alberta! On Monday, July 20, 1998 7:28 PM, MTKeener [SMTP:keenerms@ix.netcom.com] wrote: > remember, their parents aren't watching... Good point. Just proves again how thoughtless Madison Avenue can be, in the midst of its conniving to get our dollar. > >Cigarettes don't count. The cigarette companies play dirty pool. They're > >just out to get people addicted and they don't care about the rest of it. > >They know that the warning on their packages don't mean a hill of beans to > a > >13 year old who thinks it's cool to smoke. Bastards. > > Same bastards that got me hooked so long ago. But don't think that Nike and > Taco Bell aren't using the same methods. It's cool to eat empty calories > and get fat and develop heart disease and buy overpriced shoes made by > exploited children in third world countries (nooooo, not another thread > ==== ---< ). Right, not another thread. But a point well taken. "Big money got a mean streak" seems to fit here. It doesn't *have* to be true that corporate megaliths are heartless, but it frequently *is*. > I think the bottom line (NPI) here is that we're all wondering, without any > concrete answers, is how far DO/SHOULD we go to protect our children who are > bombarded with commercialism that they just aren't ready for? Then, when we > don't have an answer, who should we point our fingers at? If I really > needed (or deserved) that Nobel in philosophy I'd give it a shot but I'm > stumped. I also agree with your bottom line, but I think those fingers are pointing at each of us, individually. This whole thread has really made me look at my actions regarding this issue, meaning, I have alot of opinions, but what am I doing about it? I'll keep you posted. :-) > Matt (long hair long nose....) > anti-spam: "x" appended to reply address Melanie (medium hair, small nose) (at least we don't have piggy legs...) ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jul 1998 13:24:33 GMT From: elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James) Subject: Re: foreign language lyrics Jim Moskowitz (jimmosk@unix2.netaxs.com) wrote: : How about trying to learn the words to songs by Adiemus? : [For those who haven't run across this enyalike group (featuring Karl : Jenkins, who also wrote the Vivaldiesque tune that's used in the DeBeers : Diamonds commerical with the shadows), there are words, but none of : them mean anything in any language... they're just syllables chosen to : sound good with the music] I have the Adiemus CD and I read in the liner notes that, in fact, the lyrics were meant to sound like African tribal music but are not actually any particular language, just gobbledygook. I think that the female lead vocal is a woman from South Africa that Jenkins picked because of her voice. I'd like to get their other album(s) in the future, it's a really good CD. - -Matt - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt James Voice: (301) 231-9898 x. 121 TYC Associates email: mjames@tyc.com Rockville, MD alternate: mattj@charm.net http://www.tyc.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:21:56 -0400 From: Tara Full of Bourbon Subject: Re: Marion Fruvous (was: getting hit on via moxy shirt!) KPFruhead wrote: > > As some of you may or may not have realized, those lyrics aren't complete... > After the last verse that's on FDC, (at least this is how I've seen it) dave, > as marion, comes on stage and tells everyone that we "should be reducing more > so than recycling", after that, there is another final verse. > > I will attempt to write it out, but I'm a little unsure of some of the words > and I *definatly* will spell most of them wrong! :) > > Marion Fruvous: Final Verse -- > > You show your concern > You take nature walks > You shop blahblah's (sp?) green It is "You shop Loblaws green" , Loblaws is a grocery store Aside: my car's name is Marion, but she is dying :( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:22:38 GMT From: wahrend@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! In article <6p08cv$9ae$1@tank.charm.net>, elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James) wrote: > : > vs pepsi. Essentially the same product, but people who drink one somehow > : > have a distaste for the other (same deal w/ toothpaste, and soap, and..etc > : > etc etc). > > : If that's cynical, I guess I'm a cynic. (I thought I was a realist.) I'm all > : for the free market (ask anyone), but sometimes advertising tactics go over > : the line. I evaluated what you said against my personal experience with > : brand loyalty, looking for ways to disprove it, and instead discovered that > : I've used the same toothpaste, shampoo, deodorant, perfume, cosmetics, etc > : etc etc, since I was about 12! That's over 20 years, sports fans! I am > : reluctantly forced to acknowledge your point. (Not reluctant because of you, > : but because of how depressing it is.) > > : Still, using Aim Toothpaste for the rest of my life won't kill me. Smoking > : will. (And, yes, I do.) > I have a simple rule for buying products: get whatever is the cheapest! > Well, ok, that is not 100% true, but close to it. I don't really care > whether I have coke or pepsi, whatever is on sale. Toothpaste? Colgate > one month, Tom's of Maine the next, Crest the next, whatever is on sale. > Often, the only product I'll get consistently is something like Safeway's > Apple Juice which is *always* the cheapest or Lucerne milk which is > the *only* one available. > So what's that make me? A price hoar? ;) > -Matt > Right-o! I'm in the same bucket... ha ha ha that is too funny. I attribute it to still being "fresh" out of school. But for most products I am kind of a price shopper since (I figure) they are about the same. So, why not buy Foo Store's Ibuprofin instead of Advil if it will cost $2.00 less. I don't think it makes you a price whore, just unsettled. ;-) (you're the guy that screws up all those product surveys *wink*) "wild" Bill - -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #135 ********************************************