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alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest  Monday, July 20 1998  Volume 01 : Number 125



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Burlington, VT 7/17                  [seqiro@mail2.nai.net (Paul D. Beasi)]
  Re: greetings from Alberta!  [Richard Butterworth <r.j.butterworth@mdx.NON]
  Oswego                                      [stussy666@aol.com (STUSSY666)]
  Re: Burlington, VT 7/17                              [cricket5@hotmail.com]
  Re: greetings from Alberta!                  [dacilen@bu.edu (Vika Zafrin)]

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 04:08:24 GMT
From: seqiro@mail2.nai.net (Paul D. Beasi)
Subject: Burlington, VT 7/17

Greetings fellow früheads!

I figured it was time to get off my rump and start posting something
here more often, especially now that I've met many of you at some of
the past shows.  I haven't seen a review of this particular show yet,
so I guess I'll offer my two cents worth!

We got to Burlington a little early after we settled into our hotel
room (and hit one mother of a storm on the way) so we found a parking
garage (more on this almost sad story later) and went over to Nectars,
below the club.  Moxy was doing the sound check, so we listened for a
couple of minutes and then went into Nectars.  We didn't recognize
anyone hanging around so we ate and then walked around the streets of
Burlington checking out the shops.

On our way back toward the club, we saw Jian walking toward us
(actually stumbling toward us, he tripped on something) and we
exchanged "hello's" and kept on going.  We also saw Dave, but he was
walking down the street talking to a woman (who we later saw) at the
show and we didn't want to bother them.

Anyway, the doors were open and we went inside.  Nice layout, but it
was 8:30 and there was NO ONE there!  A few people were sitting at the
tables and we decided to sit down too.  Both of us were in the middle
of bad colds with lots of coughing (if anyone gets sick, i humbly
apologize) and we just wanted to relax a bit.  I met Adam and his
cousin and found out that we live about 10 minutes from each other.
Then Vika, Chris, CeeCee and Mary showed up somewhat later (which was
OK, the opening act didn't go on until 10!).  Those of you who we met
for the first time, it was nice meeting you!  The opening act went on
(I forget her name) and I thought she was pretty good, but it had been
a long day and I was anxious for the guys to come out.

They did of course, and they opened with the extended version of
Sahara.  I was hoping they would and each time I hear it it gets
better and better.  Jockey and BJ were next, the latter sans bullhorn.
We noticed Cal fumbling around with 2 of them earlier, I guess they
were having problems.  Anyway, I don't remember the whole set list but
they played some of the new songs, the first one sung by Mike that I
don't remember the name of.  They also played Pisco Bandito (yay!) and
a song that I just cannot get out of my head called "I Will Hold On"
which I've heard twice now.  I absolutely love that song and cannot
wait until I can own it.

The crowd was mostly made up of people who hadn't seen Moxy live
before, and I'm guess many of them had never even heard much of their
stuff.  There was a lot of chattering during the songs and little
participation.  The first two rows from the stage (and mostly on the
left side) seemed to be where most of the noise came from during songs
like King of Spain, GE&H, Boo Time, and The Drinking Song (more about
that in a bit).  There were also some really annoying people to the
left who kept making fun of people who knew the words and motions of
some songs and one guy with a beer who kept turning around and
screaming "yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!" for no apparent reason.
Meanwhile, I was losing my voice, coughing uncontrollably (sorry if I
bothered anyone :( ), and feeling faint.  But I perservered longer
than I should have been able to -- I guess I was running on frü-backup
power.  I'm glad we thought to get a hotel room.  Speaking of which,
how was your ride home Vika/Chris/etc. ?

Anyway, despite the crowd I think Moxy was performing at their best.
Among the songs they've been playing lately to promote Live Noise, we
heard "He's Misstra Know-It-All" and Laika (!!!) which was dedicated
to Cal.  The Drinking Song participation was disastrous.  I only heard
voices (mine rapidly fading) from the first two rows singing.  The
whole back of the room was chatting noisily away, and you could see in
Jian's face that he was rightfully upset.  They had even prefaced the
song by saying that if the song was a sing-a-long, and that people who
didn't know the words should instead drink while other people were
singing to keep from talking.  Oh well, the BAND was awesome as usual.
I just wish the crowd could have respected them a little more!

Anyway, Andrea and I were wiped out and feeling really terrible.  We
just wanted to go back to the hotel, so I'm sorry we didn't stick
around and chat and pulled a vanishing act.  We're planning to see the
Syracuse show so we'll hopefully see some of you there (we'll be
looking for you, Mary!).

** End of Moxy content -- silly story follows! **

We got back to the parking garage and found out that it was closed!
We didn't see the sign on the way in that said it closed at nine.  We
could still get inside, but all the bars were down.  We looked for a
security guard, but none was found.  We were going take a taxi to the
hotel ($$) but we saw someone else trying to get out.  They had found
an envelope in their door handle with details on how to pay
after-hours.  However, this didn't solve the problem on how to get
out.  Their solution was to drive THROUGH the bar, which pushed it up
a little and damaged the bar.  Now, I like my car a lot and didn't
want to be damaging their property so we went to my car in hopes of
finding a better solution.  The people evidently didn't see the sign
that said that that exit was closed and to use the other one which we
did.  Unfortunately, I lost my bearings getting out on a different
side and got lost for awhile. :)  Oh well, we're alive.

Anyway, talk to you all later.  I'll try to find time to post more
often, I do read the group a lot.

Paul B.
seqiro@ct2.nai.net


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Paul Beasi
seqiro@ct2.nai.net
http://w3.nai.net/~seqiro

The spotlight guys got Iggy!
  -TMBG, Lupos Heartbreak Hotel 10/25/97
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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:43:34 +0100
From: Richard Butterworth <r.j.butterworth@mdx.NONASTYSPAM.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta!

wahrend@my-dejanews.com took out a big brush and made the following sweeping
statement....

> The only things that are
> instinctual are survival and reproduction(or sexual attraction, don't want to
> offend).  Everything else is environmental.

Woooof! Where's your evidence for this? I'm not saying I do or do not agree with
this statement, but for every eminent psychologist you can quote as asserting
that everything is environmental I can find an equally eminent one who asserts
that everything is instinctual. Anyway you could (if you were an atheist
biologist, for example) argue that *all* behaviour is determined by survival and
reproductive urges, leaving `everything else' as a rather small set.

And if I was wanting to start another thread even more off topic than this one
(no I don't!) I could always question the equating of reproductive urges with
sexual attraction, and where that leaves homosexuality...

Pip pip
Richard
- ------------------------------------------------
Who knows what mystic thoughts may be whispering
  among the mossy groves of his crutty shins?
(Spike Milligna -- the well known typing error.)
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 <http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/staffpages/richardb/>

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Date: 20 Jul 1998 12:57:58 GMT
From: stussy666@aol.com (STUSSY666)
Subject: Oswego

Can somebody help me out here with some details on the free show at the Oswego
Harborfest? My comp is a pretty lackluster little guy and I'm having troubles
reading the Harborfest web page so if anyone could give me a preformance
time(for Fruvous) and band line up(openers etc.) I would be forever in your
debt.

- -Erich the Mountain Fru Guy

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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:47:34 GMT
From: cricket5@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Burlington, VT 7/17

> Meanwhile, I was losing my voice, coughing uncontrollably (sorry if I
> bothered anyone :( ), and feeling faint.  But I perservered longer
> than I should have been able to -- I guess I was running on frü-backup
> power.  I'm glad we thought to get a hotel room.  Speaking of which,
> how was your ride home Vika/Chris/etc. ?

Hmmm...well, thanks for asking ;-) Between being pulled over by the police
not once, but TWICE (one warning, one ticket) and getting to see the sunrise
(while still in Vermont), it was actually a really nice drive. Beautiful
mountains. *grin*

>
> around and chat and pulled a vanishing act.  We're planning to see the
> Syracuse show so we'll hopefully see some of you there (we'll be
> looking for you, Mary!).
>
Great! I'm looking forward to seeing y'all too.

I'd add something of a review, but everyone else has done a much better job
than I would. It was a unique experience being in the front row where the
stage was so low. I was eye level with Jian, right behind his monitor. Adam
was right, it is VERY difficult to watch them all from this position, but
there is *NOTHING* like being that close to the bass when Murray's playing
some great little bit. My second listens of "I will hold on" and "Pisco
Bandito" were fabulous. "Pisco" is way too much fun :-) and "I Will Hold On"
is just absolutely gorgeous. For the rest of the weekend, my mind wandered
back to both songs quite a bit.

A truly relazing, wonderful weekend. It was so nice to meet a bunch of new
people too. I hope to see you again soon.

Mary
cricket5@hotmail.com


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Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:20:59 GMT
From: dacilen@bu.edu (Vika Zafrin)
Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta!

On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:30:11 GMT, wahrend@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> how
>can one justify doing something that limits someone's freedoms because it
>MIGHT be of some benefit.  

The same way one can justify building an earthquake-proof building and
spending MUCH more money than one would spend building one that isn't
earthquake-proof because there MIGHT be an earthquake.

>I could place a sign in your yard that says "this
>person might offend you" and this could have some benefit to someone because
>they might avoid you and thereby not be offended but it inhibits other
>(non-thinking individuals perhaps) from going to the fru-casa because I told
>them to bewary of you.

And the only thing that would be unconstitutional about it is the
trespassing. (sp?)  But, back to the original argument.  Susan made
the point that it's the record label that places the stickers on the
records.  So if the artist feels that it's censorship for the warning
stickers to be placed on their record, they're free to go find another
label, or do the promotion/distribution themselves.  

I was talking to Mike at the Burlington show this past Friday, and
telling him about this thread that's evolved, and he was surprised and
interested.  He told me that Fruvous expected _all_ of their records
to have warning stickers on them, they knew it was coming and were
okay with it, and that he was very surprised to find out that some of
the Live Noise records did not carry the stickers.  He also made a
general comment on the stickers, saying that as a father (he has a
step-daughter, Jacqueline) he likes the idea of them.  So there you
have it, straight from the parent's (and Frulad's) mouth.


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Vika [VEE-kah] Zafrin		Patron Saint of Caffeine
dacilen at bu dot edu		aka Coffee Fru

"You and your hula dance of culinary delight..."  -ceecee

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