From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #123 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Sunday, July 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 123 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Taping live shows: equipment, advice? [] Re: foreign language lyrics [jimmosk@unix2.netaxs.com (Jim Moskowitz)] Re: Taping live shows: equipment, advice? [jgilson@calvin.skidmore.edu (F] Re: greetings from Alberta! ["MTKeener" ] Re: greetings from Alberta! ["MTKeener" ] Re: Moxy Tshirts [kevin@localhost.localdomain (Kevin Way)] Re: greetings from Alberta! [bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah)] Re: Portland, 7/14/98 - What Fruvous does when they think we're not looking! [samoq@aol.com (S] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:41:28 GMT From: Subject: Re: Taping live shows: equipment, advice? On 17 Jul 1998 08:46:39 -0400, Ben Cordes wrote: >I'm planning on going to the show at Faneuil Hall in Boston at the end >of this month, and I've been thinking about trying to tape it. Does >anyone have any advice as to a) asking permission, b) what equipment >to use, c) soundboard vs. audience (remember, this is an outside >concert), or d) anything else that might be relevant? > >- ben > >-- >Ben Cordes bcordes@quadri.hlo.dec.com >Hardware Design Engineer, Compaq Computer Corporation I took my video camera to the BNL show at City Hall and got a pretty good shoot....of course my arms were killing me from holding the damn camera over my head for 45 minutes... but since it is a free show, I don't think that anyone can tell you not to tape it...I plan to bring the video camera again(if I can get off work). Peace Bo ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 1998 14:40:45 GMT From: jimmosk@unix2.netaxs.com (Jim Moskowitz) Subject: Re: foreign language lyrics How about trying to learn the words to songs by Adiemus? [For those who haven't run across this enyalike group (featuring Karl Jenkins, who also wrote the Vivaldiesque tune that's used in the DeBeers Diamonds commerical with the shadows), there are words, but none of them mean anything in any language... they're just syllables chosen to sound good with the music] - -Jim Jim Moskowitz | The Unknown Composers Page | http://kith.org/jimmosk ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 1998 16:37:24 GMT From: jgilson@calvin.skidmore.edu (Fred the Eternal Snail) Subject: Re: Taping live shows: equipment, advice? bnlfan@erols.com dazzled us with the following: : but since it is a free show, I don't think that anyone can tell you : not to tape it... This is completely untrue. Bands and performers (and their labels) have complete control over the recording and distribution of their product. It doesn't matter what you paid to get in; in fact, recording a free show compounds it in their eyes. Now, that being said, Fruvous has always been very taper-friendly, but it would be wise to ask the band first. 'later, jeff. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . And you see, there are all these words, nothing but words, nothing but words, what are these words, and there they are, so that's what you're faced with, words, words... -- Steven Millhauser, _Edwin_Mullhouse_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:51:52 -0400 From: "MTKeener" Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Susan wrote... >One way labels have gotten around this is by releasing 'clean' versions of the >CD...I remember a White Zombie CD being 'cleansed' of obscenities so the chains >like Walmart and Target would carry it. And does anyone else remember that >there were two covers of one of the Black Crowes CD (I don't remember the >title), because you could apparently see public hairs on the original cover? > Going wayyyyy back to the '70's, there were two versions of Charlie Daniels' "The Devil went Down to Georgia" because no one (at the time) would say "son of a bitch" on the radio. My how times have changed...freedom of speech has brought us Howard Stern and Jerry Springer. Matt (cleverly working in a Fru-ref as the boys did a short rendition of "Springer Lane" in Delaware OH 2/11/98) anti-spam: "x" appended to reply address ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:16:52 -0400 From: "MTKeener" Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Nora wrote: >> >but who makes up the public? are minors part of the american public? i >> >believe so (and really hope so, as i am one), and therefore their indirect >> >inibility to purchase labeled music, either by their parents or the music store >> >itself is a form of censorship. >> then Vike wrote: >> Yes, minors are certainly part of the public. However, as a minor, >> you are also your parents' responsibility, whether you (or they) like >> it or not. The government isn't telling the parents not to let their >> children buy records with the labels, it is merely calling their >> attention and saying "Hey, we find this offensive, but it's up to you >> to let or not let your child listen to it." As for censorship by >> parents, I don't advocate it, but I also think it's a parent's right >> to tell their child "I don't want you buying this record" (presumably >> followed by an explanation why). If the kid *still* wants the record, >> I'm sure the kid will have a friend who is over 18 (or looks >> sufficiently old) and have that friend buy the record. That's working >> around the system. > Then Melanie wrote: >Minors are part of the public, but they're not part of the voting public. >Politically or economically. Althought people under 18 do consititute a >large sector of the marketplace, by and large, their purchasing power is >linked to their parents'. I know many teens have jobs, but not nearly enough >to make them a market force. So the government & the businesses cater to the >parents (and other adults), not to the kids. This is How It Works. And, as >Vika points out, no-one is saying you can't buy it. (Unless the CD store >itself has a policy, and then you, as a member of the economic voting >public, can shop elsewhere. That is also How It Works.) > then Matt chimed in: People under 18 indeed are likely to be limited by their parents' purchasing power, but they also are a strong influence at what their parents buy -- look at contemporary advertising and see who the targets are, be it records or cigarettes or fish sticks, children carry a lot of purchasing clout. They are a huge market force. I've never heard of a music store refusing to sell anything to a minor, just the "Wal-Mart won't carry it" thing (where I won't shop). Just slightly off-topic, I won't shop at Circuit City because of their backing of the ultra-greedy DiVX format (more info at http://home.earthlink.net/~cmannion/divx/), nor am I ever likely to purchase a new car because I find the advertising banal and offensive. Ain't capitalism great? - -- anti-spam: "x" appended to reply address ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:15:04 GMT From: kevin@localhost.localdomain (Kevin Way) Subject: Re: Moxy Tshirts >Well, at most mainstream concerts, shirts are $25US. I think the >Ben Folds Five "Kiss my *ss" shirt was $25 bucks, and that's why >I didn't buy it. When I can get 3 CDs for the price of a shirt, I >draw the line. 3 cd's for 25 bucks? man, I want to live near YOUR record shop! I just picked up the new barenaked ladies cd for 18 bucks... Kevin ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 1998 19:06:34 GMT From: bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! I spent 45 minutes last night reading this intriguing epic. Something about it kept me thinking all night, while i was sleeping, and all morning ,while i was working. Should we be so concerned about "the seven dirty words" or should we be concerned about the content? As long as records ,albums, cd's, or whatever, say things in a nice bible belt clean way they can say whatever they chose and not be labled as unsuitable for children. Are a few curse words more important to the moral development of our youth. I suppose my point is that while we are spending our time worrying about a few precious words children are hearing, messages of violence and hatred. It is as i once heard it put "cat toy news". It is there to distract you from the real issues. One more point and i will leave you alone. I don't understand how we feel morality is something that can be legislated. Morality is something that is constantly evolving. It is no longer considered immoral for a woman to show her ankles, we no longer cover up the genitals on the statue of "David". Anyway this sounded much clearer in my head before i started to write it but i keep getting interrupted and losing my train of thought. Hope i made my point without running the risk of beating a dead horse. jude ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 1998 20:58:14 GMT From: samoq@aol.com (Samoq) Subject: Re: Portland, 7/14/98 - What Fruvous does when they think we're not looking! Vika wrote: > the first time Mike broke into the anthem, I was literally rolling on the >floor in a fetal position. She's not joking... she really was. Wow! What a yummy show. My friends from work were suitably impressed. I was lucky enough to get there early while they were doing the soundcheck... the bartender gave me a soda and told me to sit back and enjoy it, which I thoroughly did-- and got to hear "Pisco Bandito", Michy, "Sad Girl", "I Will Hold Your Hand" and "Sahara". I tell you, I was one happy girl. Top this week off with Friday night's Great Big Sea show in Somerville, and I don't think I'll be off this cloud for several days. ******************************************************************** Sharon samoq@aol.com "Know thyself? If I knew myself, I'd run away." - Goethe ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #123 ********************************************