From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #120 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Saturday, July 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: getting hit on via moxy shirt! [Moz ] Re: greetings from Alberta! [Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: getting hit on via moxy shirt! Oops! First time around I replied to sender and not the group. Oops! Ah-- the same has happened here! Uh... wait... let me clarify, just so none of you are confused. I do not own a "I Love Canadian Boys" tee, although, I probably would if I thought one would fit. heh. But I have been hit on several times in regards to my "Your New Boyfriend" tee. You know, stuff like, "Really? You promise?" and fun things like that. I like Fruvous. They get me dates. Maybe they *are* a date band! - -Moz - -- ======================================================================= "The great ships hung motionless in the sky, over every nation on Earth. Motionless they hung, huge, heavy, steady in the sky, a blasphemy against nature. Many people went straight into shock as their minds tried to encompass what they were looking at. The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't." -Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was spawned by the mind of Chris Moesel (aka "Moz") ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:45:49 +0100 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! wahrend@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Has anyone on this list > been > > prevented from listening to a CD that they normally would have because of a PA > > sticker? Does anyone know of anyone who has? > > Well if the stickers don't prevent anyone from buying the records, why have > them at all? > Repeating Vika's often repeated point, they are a suggestion to buyers about the content, in much the same way that dividing up the CD shop into Rock, Classical, Dance sections etc is. They are completely stupid pointless suggestions in my opinion, but maybe to someone else they are crucial; who I am to say? If they were actually prohibitive I would be painting banners and marching around in protests with everyone else. Otherwise I intend to sleep peacefully on the issue. > If it were human nature then all parents would have an inherent desire to > protect their children from the outside world, not just most. It could be > something that most parents have in common and IMHO I don't think its the > outside world that parent are attempting to protect their children from, its > the preceived dangers of the outside world. The stupid belief that by > keeping your kids ignorant they are somehow going to be able to keep out of > trouble... just ignore the problem and it will go away (and if it doesn't > we'll blame the musicians and the artists and the next door neighbors, and > human nature... Uhoh. Sounds like an argument on the semantics of `human nature' coming up. To me human nature is something the majority of humans are likely to do. Caring for your children is, to me, a good example of human nature. Of course you can always find some loony who doesn't care for their children, but that doesn't destroy the generality. Putting on my psychologist's hat, if I were to argue that I had found a trait that applies to 100% of humans I would either a) be instantly promoted to Professor of Extreme Cleverness for overturning all of psychology, or b) sacked for talking bollocks. Probably b). > we're all evil!). :-) :-) We're all lovely, too. > > Pip pip > > Hooray! (sorry, couldn't resist) Whatwhatwhatwhat? Are you ridiculing my comedy English twee sign off? How dare you sir! I shall write a letter of complaint to the London Times about this. Dear Sir... Pip pip Richard - ------------------------------------------------ Who knows what mystic thoughts may be whispering among the mossy groves of his crutty shins? (Spike Milligna -- the well known typing error.) - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:31:59 +0100 From: Richard Butterworth Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Dot0926 wrote: > but that is the whole point of freedom of speech. the very basis of free speech > is protecting unpopular views. if all anyone ever said was nice or pleasant, we > wouldn't need freedom of speech because there would be no one opposed to > hearing it. yes, i too think it's terrible that people have such horribly > distorted views of the world and the way things should be, homophobics, > racists, sexists, you name it, they're everywhere. however, they have the right > to express their views the same as you or i, thats the whole point of freedom > of speech. should they be saying such ignorant and terrible things? of course > not, i wish that they would all just shut up and learn something, but are they > protected under free speech? yes they are. the only way to counteract their > power of speech is to have the opposition (aka us) be even louder. > Okay, but my argument is against absolutist opinions. I think that in Germany they have banned people from publically asserting that the holocaust never happened, which is what what a lot of neo-Nazis were doing. Now this is a complete removal of freedom of speech, and as such it makes me feel uncomfortable, but on balance I support it. I wish it wasn't there, just as I wish the neo-Nazis weren't there and then the law would be uneccessary. To me, if a government wants to reduce freedom of speech they need a bloody reason why, arseholes who deny the holocaust is, to me, a bloody good reason. By the way, I have no automatic freedom of speech. I'm allowed to speak my mind by gracious permission of my monarch, but if she changes her mind then constitutionally there's nothing I can do about it. I don't think she will though, bless her. Is this the same in Canada I wonder? > my logic (if you can call it that), actually, it's more of an observation, is > that most people look at the way the world is, see the corruption and evils and > resign themselves to the status quo, even joining in the madness, because its > simply "the way things are and we can't do anything to change it, so we might > as well join the party". Fine, we're in agreement of that. > >(I'm desperately trying to work some Moxy content in here. No can't > >do > >it, I probably could work in the lyrics from Gulf War Song if I hadn't left > >the CD > >at home.) > > > > um, how about something from stuck in the 90's? :) I was thinking more that being pro-war or anti-war is not an absolutist thing. That's my understanding of the song anyway. > i just want to remind everyone that the punching/smacking/whatever bodily harm > you can think of metaphor is merely that. in no way do i support someone's > right to punch someone in the face (or anywhere else for that matter). I didn't think you did. :) > that is > not a freedom guaranteed by the constitution ( although it would lead to some > interesting situations if you think about it, but i digress), merely a person's > right to verbally (not physicly) express his or herself. once you take it to a > physical level, everything changes. Okay, but why the arbitrary line between physical and emotional hurt? I too have been randomly punched in the face, and it hurt for a day or two, but after that it wasn't something I worried about. However, in one of my more spectacular girlfriend split ups, we said things to each other that REALLY hurt, and it still has the power to upset me now, years later. Getting cross thinking about it now, actually. Losing my thread... Oh yes, its not the case that physical hurt is necessarily worse than emotional hurt inflicted by someone using their freedom of speech to its fullest. Pip pip Richard - ------------------------------------------------ Who knows what mystic thoughts may be whispering among the mossy groves of his crutty shins? (Spike Milligna -- the well known typing error.) - ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #120 ********************************************