From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #119 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Friday, July 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Moxy Tshirts [Bonnie Conrad ] Re: fruvous mix [dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926)] Re: greetings from Alberta! [dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926)] Re: This weekend [Myllie@my-dejanews.com] Re: greetings from Alberta! [nasust@aol.com (NasusT)] Re: greetings from Alberta! [nasust@aol.com (NasusT)] Re: greetings from Alberta! [nasust@aol.com (NasusT)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:50:19 GMT From: Bonnie Conrad Subject: RE: Moxy Tshirts Hey Cal, Thanks for the scoop on the shirts. I had no idea the venues do something that slimy :( So you guys do all the work and someone else grabs all the $$$. Sounds like my job. Bonnie - -----Original Message----- From: Colin 'Cal' Stanutz Sent: Friday, July 17, 1998 11:52 AM To: ammf@fruvous.com Subject: Re: Moxy Tshirts Hey All, Cal here. If the price of Moxy Früvous shirts is higher than usual, it usually has to do with the venue tacking on their own percentage, which I think is a disgusting policy, myself, especially when we supply our own seller. Some venues take as much as 35%. That, to me, is just gouging the consumer. Remember, if you see concert shirts selling for 25 or 30 bucks, about a fifth of that actually goes to the band after all the greasy music-idustry types grab their share. CAL See ya @ the next one! ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 1998 23:10:59 GMT From: dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926) Subject: Re: fruvous mix well, im proud and brimming with happiness to say that the mix that started this whole mess was recieved with open arms ( ears and mind as well), and my friend is going to buy bargainville, ywgttm and live noise...woohoo! - -nora ************************************************************************** ******* " there's something exciting about the failure of modern technology to create a real looking fake human." - john linnell nora cohen (dot0926@aol.com) **************** ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 1998 23:07:08 GMT From: dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! >dacilen@bu.edu (Vika Zafrin) wrote: >Example given: if you're hungry, truly hungry, and you haven't >been that hungry before, you'll do a LOT to satisfy your hunger. You >will do whatever it takes, it's an instinctive thing, a survival >thing. Another, more societal example: I simply don't believe >there's one completely alturistic person on this planet. Richard >Dawkins, in his book _The_Selfish_Gene_, talks about that quality as a >genetic predisposition to make sure one's genes (the only really >long-lasting thing we have) are passed on. I usually take that to a >more mundane level and assert that you can't point out a person to me >that has NEVER selfishly wanted something and done anything they could >to get it. Think, hungry baby in the middle of the night. Is the >baby going to be considerate and let the poor parents sleep til the >morning? No, of course not, the baby hasn't been taught the social >tenet yet, and of course s/he can't get out of bed and get food, so >s/he'll scream at the top of her/his lungs. > >rambleramble... > > > however, can you really say that someone is being selfish if they don't even know that other people exist to the same extent as they do? the example of the baby who "selfishly" wakes his or her parents in the middle of the night isn't really fair. if one has yet to comprehend the idea that other people inhabit and make up society, then acting out on behalf of oneself can not be called selfish. for example, take bob. bob lives on a deserted island, and every day a big cloud comes and gives bob rain to drink, bathe in, etc. bob has no idea what gives him the water, he just knows that there's this big thing that brings water. one day, bob is thirsty and he starts to cry and doesn't stop until the cloud comes. is bob selfish for "disturbing the cloud"?, no. just as bob has no understanding of the water cycle, the baby had no understanding of the meaning of parents. furthermore, it is the parents who in the end make the decision to go and give the baby what he or she needs. if the control is not in the baby's hands, then he or she cannot be called selfish. - - nora (forgive me, im on medication) :) ************************************************************************** ******* " there's something exciting about the failure of modern technology to create a real looking fake human." - john linnell nora cohen (dot0926@aol.com) **************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:07:16 GMT From: Myllie@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: This weekend In article <6oo10e$us1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, fgardine@uoguelph.ca wrote: > mike wrote: > > the lurker who is now revealing that he's working stage security for > > Fruvous this weekend! muahahaahahahahaah! Oooh, which show? Pointe-claire or Kingston? Both? I'll be in Pointe-Claire tomorrow, w/hKate and Ingrid. And if something *does* happen to früvous, we *are* going to have to kill you ;) Just kidding... Myllie, aka psycho-frü *g* - -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 1998 01:58:45 GMT From: nasust@aol.com (NasusT) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Somebody quoted Fruvous, saying: :>"Do you think you'll have some power, signing a petition?" Any someone asked: : Well, do you? And someone else responded (I'm too lazy to recheck the thread): No. But I feel much better, with my teeny, tiny, one voice, standing up and signing a petition for something I believe in (or don't believe in). I know my one, teeny, tiny voice may not make a difference, but at least I said something, rather than, "Why should I do anything? MY teeny, tiny, one voice won't make a difference?". But a whole lot of teeny, tiny, one voices add up. I think history proves that (as we just, both Canadians and Americans, celebrated our independence recently) we sometimes CAN make a difference. Susan (who actually signed two petitions this week!) ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 1998 01:41:33 GMT From: nasust@aol.com (NasusT) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Nora wrote: but who makes up the public? are minors part of the american public? i believe so (and really hope so, as i am one), and therefore their indirect inibility to purchase labeled music, either by their parents or the music store itself is a form of censorship. censorship does not only mean deletion, but suppression of anything considered objectionable. by using explicit lyrics or content labels, the items labeled are automaticly deemed "bad" in the mind of society. this is a clear form of indirect censorship, via psychological supression. Unfortunately, the item being labeled 'bad', as a result of having a parental advisory sticker on it may be an indirect form of censor ship. My take on these labels? I feel that they are a 'short cut' for many parents who may not have the time to spend as much time with their childen's lives as they may want, and this is an easy way for them to have some sort of handle on what their childen are listening to without really listening to the content. Perhaps be knowing their children are being exposed to more mature themes, they will take the time to discuss them with them (okay, I know that is a really idealistic and unrealistic viewpoint....who has the time?) My point exactly. In this age of soundbytes, warning labels serve to be exactly that...a soundbyte. Quick, easy, and you have the general idea of what's inside. To me, the parental advisory labels are sort of like PG-13 ratings for the movies...that maybe the contents may not be appropriate for my children, depending on how I have chosen to raise them. Personally, if I had a child who was NOT a teenager, I would probably not want them to hear the casual cursing on Live Noise (I'd probably do what someone else said they did...edit out the cursing). Similarly, I would not want them to be exposed to some of the more explicit lyrics (both violent and sexual) on many rap and R&B records. I would like to be the person to 'expose' (no pun intended) them to more adult themes at a time I choose to be appropriate. Maybe it would be at a younger age (certainly it would be for sex ed), but hopefully it wouldn't be for the violence and cursing. Every child is different, so educating them to the 'adult' world would be at varying ages. However, I feel that if my child were choosing to listen to music with 'more mature themes', that we would have established an open enough relationship that I'd know what's going on, and might even learn something from them. Heck, I can remember listening to Nitzer Ebb in high school and college, and my mother saying, "wow, he sounds really angry...He's got a problem". And I remember her asking me about Kurt Cobain after his 1st overdose, and asking for Nevermind. She listened to it (didn't like it), but understood a bit more why they were so popular. (I'm lucky, my mom's into music). I'm veering off course (as I tend to do), but I think I've expressed my point of view. If you are a parent, and don't have the time to delve into your kid's music collection, hopefully seeing parental advisory stickers on your kid's music would open up your eyes and increase dialogue about 'adult themes' with your family. Susan *********** "I am fuel waiting for fire". - Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 1998 02:15:24 GMT From: nasust@aol.com (NasusT) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Okay, a bit of clarification on warning stickers. They are put on music by the record label. As far as I remember, it initially started as a result of the PMRC (Tipper's group), and I really don't remember which release was the first...but I do believe it was a rap CD, perhaps NWA. Primarily now, I believe they are put in place for larger retailers, such as Walmart, Target, and K-Mart, to alert them to the content. In the past, a number of labels have seen CDs (which were unlabeled, but contained explicit lyrics) returned en masse by one of these accounts once they received a few complaints from customers..."I can't believe you sold this to my child!!!". Now, we're not talking about 5-10 or even 1000 CDs, but potentially 10,000 CDs. Which to a label can be a lot of money. One way labels have gotten around this is by releasing 'clean' versions of the CD...I remember a White Zombie CD being 'cleansed' of obscenities so the chains like Walmart and Target would carry it. And does anyone else remember that there were two covers of one of the Black Crowes CD (I don't remember the title), because you could apparently see public hairs on the original cover? Susan ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #119 ********************************************