From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #104 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, July 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 104 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: CDA [Starfox ] RE: greetings from Alberta! ["Demetriou, Melanie" > LIVE FREE SEX is just a click away - http://206.132.179.167/cheridevine/ [Shear Excitement Subject: Re: CDA Demetriou, Melanie wrote: [snippage of a good post about censorship] I'm all censored out right now, so I'll just say this... : It ought to be second nature : At least, that's what I feel : Now I lay me down in dreamland : I know perfect's not for real : I thought we might get closer : But I'm willing to make a deal : - Rush Awesome quote. :) That's another lovely song off a kickass album. Sadly though, the future of Rush may be uncertain in the wake of the death of Neal Peart's wife (his daughter died in a car accident just a few short months ago). Starfox "Hopes and good thoughts out to Mr. Peart in his time of need." - -- Starfox starfox (at) nationwide dot net "We each pay a fabulous price, for our visions of paradise." - Rush "Mission" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:49:08 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: greetings from Alberta! On Monday, July 13, 1998 7:49 AM, Richard Butterworth [SMTP:r.j.butterworth@mdx.NONASTYSPAM.ac.uk] wrote: > > Somebody Very Famous and Very Clever (whose name I've forgotten so he/she couldn't > be all that Very Famous) proposed the argument that freedom of expression is fine, > but freedom to express yourself by shouting `Fire!' in a crowded theatre when > there isn't one? Its an unanswerable question... The answer is, yes, they have the right to do that. Then, they have the responsibility to face the consequences. That's the part nobody ever talks about, and something the inexperienced (myself first among them) don't understand. Until there's mud stuck between your teeth and in your eyelids, you don't really understand why falling down is such a problem. Jumping in the puddle seems like a blast. > It *is* the role of parents to teach ethics to their kids, but what if they don't? > Is it better that the government tries to prevent its citizens bringing up > unethical children by use of (sensible) law or that it picks up the pieces > afterwards? In utopia the government should do neither, but that's not where I > live... > > The sad irony/paradox about the advisory stickers is that the sort of parents who > do actually take notice of the stickers are in general the sort of parents who > care about their children enough that they probably are sharing in the exploration > of their kids upbringing in all the sensible ways Nora suggests and so don't > actually need the stickers. Ah, if I'd read this before I posted, y'all would have been spared my big soapbox speech. Richard, you say it quite succinctly. > Of course parental advisory stickers are a complete load of risible bollocks -- > who buys records that their parents approve of? I thought that the idea of > dangerous and rebellious rock and roll was that you bought precisely the records > that your parents *didn't* approve of. I should think the addition of a parental > advisory sticker is worth about an extra 10% in sales. (Making up percentages off > the top of his head. Actually does anyone know if there are figures on this?) I'm sure you're right, but I don't know either! The "actual" figure probably would depend on which side of the issue you posed the question to! > > whose alterior motives are dangerous and potent. > > Its sad that we feel that our governments' motives are dangerous (I believe that > about about my government too, though I may be paranoid) because that means that > democracy isn't working. Who votes for dangerous governments? Now *there's* a question worth asking!! But I disagree about democracy not working. I think it is working. It just takes time. America isn't very old. We need to figure this stuff out. (I can't speak for Canada or Britain, of course.) Melanie ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1998 22:53:03 GMT From: dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926) Subject: RE: CDA (was: greetings from Alberta!) >"Demetriou, Melanie" With equal vigor, I believe that children should not have access to adult >material, be it violent, sexual, or simply mature in theme. I heartily >support parental involvement in the web-lives of their children. But what >about all those other kids? The ones at their friends' houses when mom & dad >are still at work? I've done my share of surfing the net; inappropriate >information is easily available. Easily. Innocent looking TV shows and CDs >turn out to have inappropriate contect. So what happens to those kids that >are alone? Do they suffer because their parents had to work, or just weren't >around for whatever reason? Must the sins of the fathers truly be visited >upon the sons? > > i agree with you 100% that childeren should not be downloading pornography off the internet or something to that extent, however, have you ever watched a typical cartoon? in under a minute there is usualy a shooting, someone falling off a cliff, someone getting knocked on the head with a mallet, etc. would this fall under the violence category? what about mature themes? in your typical archie comic book we see our teenage hero lusting after various scantily clad buxom young women. these examples point out how hypocritical society has become, that through one supposedly tame media such things are allowed, yet in another, are called obsene. now, you mentioned the "latch key kids", who have no parental figures at home to oversee their activity. if these children are finding inappropriate material ( define it if you can), that is simply a symptom of the much greater disease of neglect. most people are under the great misconception that children are constanly being lured into pornographic sites, or accidentaly stumble upon them, but the fact is that the vast majority of these kids go to these sites on purpose. in that case, the issue is not with the internet, rather the child. instead of attacking the medium, we should commit ourselves to getting to the true root of the problem, which is parental ignorence and apathy. after destroying internet freedom, and realizing that it hasn't changed anything the next step for those who support this attitude will be to censor anything and everything that they feel contributes to the corruption of america's youth. only when there's nothing left to censor will they realize that they've accomplished nothing, because they ignored the root of the problem. we must educate today's parents, as well as the parents of the future how to truly care for their children. as wild bill said, "education not censorship". >I don't have any answers. Just a hope that we can find a way to allow >everyone to be free, without burdening the next guy with that freedom... i think that is a beautiful statement. - -nora ************************************************************************** ******* " there's something exciting about the failure of modern technology to create a real looking fake human." - john linnell nora cohen (dot0926@aol.com) **************** ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1998 23:21:03 GMT From: shweiss17@aol.com (SHWeiss17) Subject: Re: Penn's Landing/WXPN >Francis Dunnery closed out the night. He sounded great from the Member Area, >but I never actually got to SEE him :-( Ah well...next time, Francis :-) > > Well then, let me tell you that he was amazing! He's such a phenomenal guitar player - geez, if I could only play 1/100th as well as him...he totally blew me away. I ran out of $$ on Sunday so I didn't buy any of his CD's but I'm planning on running up the street tonight to the record store to buy as many as I can. - - Sue * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Sometimes I think, therefore sometimes I am" - Ron Hawkins ------------------------------ Date: 14 Jul 1998 23:25:24 GMT From: shweiss17@aol.com (SHWeiss17) Subject: Re: Le Pout >Well, I know we have quite a few Fruheads that fell head over heals for >Great Big Sea -- at the Columbia concert I agreed to meet up with at least >8 others at IOTA for their local DC/VA concert -- just wanted to announce >that the show's been cancelled :( [geeeeeeeez...and after a really decent >write-up in the Washington Post too! :( ] Don't even get me started...everyone from the GBS mailing list and chat board are probably sick to death of hearing my whining about the cancelled show in Philly - though they are supposed to reschedule for September - knowing my luck it will be the week I'll be in Canada :-( - - Sue * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Sometimes I think, therefore sometimes I am" - Ron Hawkins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:48:00 +0000 From: Shear Excitement Subject: Re: !-->> LIVE FREE SEX is just a click away - http://206.132.179.167/cheridevine/ So, back to the discussion on MOXIE......good soda. 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