From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #103 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, July 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: psycho killer [kpfruhead@aol.com (KPFruhead)] Re: greetings from Alberta! [beetleschka@my-dejanews.com] Re: greetings from Alberta! [wahrend@my-dejanews.com] Re: Sucky Fruvous Adventure Stories??? [ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell] Re: Jim & his Ego (was Re: branching out in musical tastes...) [Ofer Inba] RE: CDA (was: greetings from Alberta!) ["Demetriou, Melanie" Obligatory Fruvous Endorsement: Murray >once told me, after I said I'd just >heard the Bobs the day before, that "the >Bobs are awesome!" So take his word >for it, if nothing else. :) Insert very very large grrrrrrrrrr here!! *I* wanted to be the one to plug the bobs by mentioning psycho killer!!! :) Anyway, in this case, I'll add it to what's already been said. The bobs are fantastic!! I didn't know that murray knew about them though... Anyway, anybody who wants to know more can check them out online (www.bobs.com) where they have a few concerts up in real audio. Also, they're playing the birchmere, the bottom line, falcon ridge, and the iron horse in a span of 5 days, from july 23-27! (birchmere - 23, bottom line - 24, falcon ridge - 25&26, iron horse - 27) Those of you going to FR, check them out!! (and be ready to bark!) Well, I could go on forever, but I think I'll leave everybody alone, for now.... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:36:33 GMT From: beetleschka@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! In article <1998071322104800.SAA20184@ladder03.news.aol.com>, dot0926@aol.com (Dot0926) wrote: > > dacilen@bu.edu (Vika Zafrin) > > wrote: > > >Okay, am I missing something here? Is any group of people actually > >*prohibited* from buying records with the labels on them? That would > >be a restriction of freedom. But just as an artist has freedom of > >expression, so does the government. If Jack Smith the Senator wants > >to put a sticker on the wrapping of a record I buy saying he doesn't > >like that Bad Words are used there, he has every right to do so. > > the fact is that even if these labels do not directly prohibit the sale of > certain artists' works, the indirect implication of "buy these and you are bad > and perverted" So you are offended by people calling your music of choice offensive? As was stated earlier, "offensive" is one of the hardest things to guard against and really, arent you missing out on an exciting human emotion if you never get offended even slightly your whole life? Somewhere where everybody lives little pink inoffensive lives is not *my* version of utopia. Of course, I wouldn't enjoy having violent expletives screamed at me every waking hour. "Excessive" is also extremely hard to guard against & we all know it. Another point: if my copy of "Live Noise" had carried a warning sticker (which it didn't) I wouldn't have felt the least bit ashamed of myself for buying it. I dont think this is freakishness on my part.... Miriam - -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:18:45 GMT From: wahrend@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! Since deja-news is so great at keeping threads together (I'm like lost here..) I'm just going to pipe in here and there and everywhere... ;-). dacilen@bu.edu wrote: > On 14 Jul 1998 15:54:31 GMT, Starfox > wrote: > > Because they, the politicians, were elected by the people - by the > *majority* of the voting population! - and thus have a responsibility > to express those people's views. Since most of the populationis > conservative... yadda, yadda. What makes you think that they > *shouldn't* be able (=have the right to) express their views on a > record? Is it discrimination when Your Local Record Store puts > "Employees' Pick" labels on records they particularly like? How are > the two different? Politians are not elected by the people (at least not here) and they are certainly not elected by popular vote. If that was the case I believe that Bush would have been the president not clintion in '92. Bush actually had 53% of the vote. Here in the US we have this great thing called the electoral college which votes for the president, they don't have to vote the same way the population does, when Kennedy was elected I believe 20 people from the electoral college actually voted for an independent. (wow, american history was such a long time ago...). The differnce between the employee's pick and a government sanctioned label on a record is that Fred (said employee) has no legal right to say that this record is good or bad, so if you were an artist and was put in Fred's don't pick bucket you could take legal action against Fred for defacing your product. If the government slaps a "this is explicit" label on my record, I have no recourse. "wild" Bill - -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:22:23 GMT From: ceelove@ibm.net (Colleen Campbell) Subject: Re: Sucky Fruvous Adventure Stories??? I think I actually accumulated enough Sucky Fruvous Adventure Points last year to last me a lifetime. Jason gets credit for his own car--after all, I didn't have to deal with the insurance company and auto body place that *wouldn't give him his car back* myself. (We missed the Syracuse show that night and half of Falcon Ridge the next day.) I do get credit for the "Jenn's car breaking down" thing, since I was the one driving the car at the time and therefore was at least in part responsible for burning out the clutch. :( My worst sucky Fruvous story, though, was from June of last year, after the Guinness Fleadh. We saw GBS and Fruvous two days in a row, and I was step-kicking to both sets, both times--without stretching. I, of all people, should know better! Ripped both my gastocs. By the end of the second day, I could hardly walk; it was the most excrutiating prolonged pain I've ever been in. So I got to the airport the next day--and my plane *never left.* Nine hours of waiting while they delayed, delayed, delayed--and finally cancelled. I was shuffling between the terminals like a crippled person. Of course, I have more than enough totally wonderful Fruvous stories to balance all those out and half a dozen more. Good thing, too, since it was all the terrific times that helped convince me to escape Florida. :) ceecee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:14:16 GMT From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: Jim & his Ego (was Re: branching out in musical tastes...) beetleschka@my-dejanews.com writes: > Yes thanks everyone for all the information I went to the website & played the > lyric mad-libs with my sisters we've got titanic & now Naomi (older sister) > wants to get the one with "Stress" on it 'cause she heard it on the radio but > one question, none of the albums seem to have the "put a cold beer on your > wrist Rita" song which I heard once on the radio I'm sure it's by him? "Put a Cold Beer On Your Wrist, Rita", is not on any albums yet. I believe he wrote it less than to years ago, so it didn't even exist the last time he recorded an album. It comes from a dream he had, wherein he wrote a song. He woke up in the middle of the night and wrote down that one line, to remind himself of the song in the morning. But when he woke up in the morning, he couldn't remember any of the rest of the song, so he wrote a new song around that phrase. Stress appears on his first two albums, both before the Big Ego. There's a studio version on Strawman and a live version on World of Particulars. I prefer the live version, and I prefer World of Particulars in general. There are actually a few other songs which appear on both albums, I think Jim likes the later versions of these better. I especially love Big Old Dark Green Car and Backyard Bird. Although my favorite recorded version of Stress is the one from his most recent WBRS performance, last year :-) -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- WBRS@brandeis.edu http://www.wbrs.org/ "...everybody's trying not to be just like everybody, and I don't want to be like that!" -- Jim Infantino, "The Someday Cafe" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:33:06 GMT From: "Demetriou, Melanie" Subject: RE: CDA (was: greetings from Alberta!) On Thursday, July 09, 1998 9:25 PM, dot0926@aol.com [SMTP:dot0926@aol.com] wrote: > > The cda first appeared in the middle of 1995, when senator james exon first >[snip] > category as real obsenity by a sticker, then freedom is truly defeated. it is > unfair to compare people who don't support these labels to the ignorant ones > who believe that if condoms are not distributed, it will curb teenage sex. > while it is true that these labels point out the fact that "obsene" material > exists, just like the distribution of condoms in high schools acknowledges the > existence of teen sex, these labels are nothing but a mere blanket, smothering > both the creative and artistic, as well as the truly obsene. Thanks for the info on the CDA, Nora. It was eye-opening. I really ought to pay more attention to these things. I didn't mean to compare folks who don't support labelling to the anti-condoms group; I meant to compare parents who condemn a CD based on a label to the anti-condoms group. I sort of have a foot on either side of this fence. I'm very much opposed to censorship of any kind, and believe that an adult should have access to whatever an adult wants access to. But does that mean they have to advertise? With equal vigor, I believe that children should not have access to adult material, be it violent, sexual, or simply mature in theme. I heartily support parental involvement in the web-lives of their children. But what about all those other kids? The ones at their friends' houses when mom & dad are still at work? I've done my share of surfing the net; inappropriate information is easily available. Easily. Innocent looking TV shows and CDs turn out to have inappropriate contect. So what happens to those kids that are alone? Do they suffer because their parents had to work, or just weren't around for whatever reason? Must the sins of the fathers truly be visited upon the sons? The question becomes, how do you protect the young with out censoring the adults? In an ideal society, adults would feel a sense of responsibility to the youth, and would want to protect them, *all* of them. However, we don't live in an ideal society, so those of us who give a damn have to take up the slack for those who don't. I don't buy into any wholesale definitions of obscenity or any of that right-wing crap. As I said, adults should be able to do any fool thing they want to. It's not my business. It is my business if kids are being emotionally crippled before they even get out of the starting gate. I want the future to hold promise and brightness, not gloom & doom. I don't have any answers. Just a hope that we can find a way to allow everyone to be free, without burdening the next guy with that freedom. It's a tall order. Melanie It ought to be second nature At least, that's what I feel Now I lay me down in dreamland I know perfect's not for real I thought we might get closer But I'm willing to make a deal - Rush ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #103 ********************************************