From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1012 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- apology- ["Glen -Skip- Newell" ] Re: Good people [bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah)] Great First Show [katiewow@my-dejanews.com] Re: Having a Gulf War Song day [katiewow@my-dejanews.com] Re: Good people [caroline ] Re: Good people [Lynne Fisher ] Re: Good people [wahrend@my-dejanews.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:20:21 GMT From: "Glen -Skip- Newell" Subject: apology- fellow fru-heads and fruvites- Please consider this a public apology. clearly, I lost my temper, and now that I have blown my stack I see that i may have been a bit rough. although i stand by my opinions, I had no right to allow them to disrupt the NG. Please forgive me. (...we now return you to our regularly scheduled programming...) Glen 'Skip' Newell 'Breathe in, Breathe out...' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 1998 00:30:42 GMT From: bodaceah@aol.com (Bodaceah) Subject: Re: Good people >Get over it. Either lighten up , or go crawl back under the rock you >>came from. Sorry George, but i don't think Lynne is the one who needs to lighten up. I for one, am glad she came out from under her rock. I get extremely tired of reading the same point of view all the time. As for:>You have obviously missed the whole point of what the rest of >>us are about here at AMMF, and are more intersted in stirring up >>controversy. You have a problem with controversy. I don't think she missed the point at all. I was getting the impression that the idea was to express our thoughts in an intelligent manner. Lynne, if you need a great big wooden spoon to do you stirring up call me, although, somehow i don't think you do >GET A FUCKING LIFE... While you are at it take two or three. Three cheers for controversy Thanks Lynne jude ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:28:18 GMT From: katiewow@my-dejanews.com Subject: Great First Show > I'll start at the end. I couldn't have been more pleased with the encore, as > that was my song of the day and I figured there was no way in hell they'd do > the GWS. (I was expecting it for Wednesday in Wilmington, but who knows now?) > But the guys stood not two feet from me singing the song I'd been playing in > my head all day. Early Morning Rain was a nice surprise, too. You must have been standing next to me at the show :-). I was stage Dave as well. I was the girl who Jian mocked for speaking for everyone when I said I didn't have class 'til 10 :-). Anyway, This was my virginal live Moxy performance, and I'm hooked. I'll be in NY for the New Year's run. It was great to meet everyone from the Newsgroup (hope you had fun Lisa :-). May the Frü be with you! - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:48:27 GMT From: katiewow@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Having a Gulf War Song day > I particularly want to thank Rodney, Autumn and Wendy for taking me into their > "fru-family" fold (stage Mike) as well as the woman next to me whose name I > didn't catch (cute, petite, long wavy red hair, whose car was parked next to > mine in the lot down the street and broken into) ... Lisa--Glad to hear you enjoyed your live Früginal experience as much as I did :-). I was the girl in the short-sleeved denim shirt next to you who noticed "No Cover" written on the naked girl and who didn't have class 'til 10 (I don't, however, want to be a dentist :Ž). It was great to meet all of you Newsgroupies, and I promise to be an active poster now that I found a server that lets me into the Früvelous world of alt.music.moxy-fruvous. Type to you soon :Ž! ~~KatieWow - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:47:33 GMT From: caroline Subject: Re: Good people >Here is my exact issue. You- some person who was not there, has obviously >no idea of the situation, thinks it is OK to preach (even show hostility) >to me about what you think my behavior was. I don't understand this. Ok, being an "impartial" observer here, I'd like to bite off this thread before it turns into a flame war... I can see where both of you are coming from, and I think the basic problem is just miscommunication. Can we all please take a DEEP breath? No one is making light of anyone else's issues here; we're just having problems understanding what those issues are. (And I'd like to apologize for skip... Some of us seem to have quicker tempers than others, si? We're not all as hasty.) I think what we've made clear is that everyone on the ng (and probably most of the fans who aren't as wired as we) loves the Frulads and doesn't want to do anything (or see anyone else do anything) that would hurt or upset them. So of course the camera-flash and battery-tossing issues make us want to drag the insensitive b@stards out of the venue by their hair... But of course violence is not the answer (she types as she hums the Gulf War Song). ;) So let us concede that we are different - isn't that the joy of fruvous, that they can bring us all together? - and let this one go. Peace, everyone? Also, I'd like to make a quick comment on the issue of age-restricted shows. I can understand that the adult fruhead contingent sometimes gets angry at the younger fans. Obviously there are lots of minors who are quite mature, and some over 18 fans who, ah, aren't quite as mature as one would hope they'd be by that age. It's unfair to assume that all the battery-throwers and flash-photographers out there are under 18, but I suppose there's no way to have a "maturity level" cutoff rather than an age cutoff. Ah well. Let's all try to be cheerful, shall we? (4 days to katonah!!) Soon to be 18, ~Caroline cmoore@mail.smith.edu (you can tell i'm a Smithie by my use of the word "issues"...) *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* Truth faced leaves a strange taste When joy and sadness meet A country rain on a city street This life is bittersweet - Moxy Fruvous, "Bittersweet" *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:05:45 GMT From: Lynne Fisher Subject: Re: Good people As these will be my last words to you. >Okay, Lynne, you get one shot at this. You chose to make this public >(which proves my point, by the way) so here it is... Yes I chose to make it public, because your resulting to name calling and cursing at me proves *my* point. I don't want a fight, read my original post. I don't want anything, except maybe to understand. >i have been reading your posts. I have been waiting for the opportunity >to give you the benefit of the doubt. I disagree. >You want a fight, not a discussion, and too many >of these good people have been the unwitting co-conspirators of what is >essentially a socio-pathic personality. If I wanted a fight, I would have stated, without knowing anything about you, that you should "get a f***ing life", or a better one or something. That your life must be lacking in some way, because you assume that mine is. No fight, just defending myself becasue I was attacked. Sociopathic? hmm.. Seeking information, and challenging opinions, I don't think qualifies someone as a sociopath, can I see your credentials Dr.? >I have been on too many mailing >lists, listservers, newsgroups and chatgroups where someone like you has >to come along and stir up trouble. someone like me? heh... tell me about me. I apologize if I have caused anyone that has been respectful to other peoples thoughts any trouble. It was and is not my intention. I am defending myself after being told to "crawl under a rock", "get a *@#* life" and critisized for not knowing the rules here. *shrug* ..and for asking some questions. >Not here; I like and respect these >people, and what they have to say, and what they're about. and I won't >be intimidated or put-off by your attempts to make ME the bad guy here. I don't dislike anyone here. Well not yet... not even you, I have no reason to. (If you were going to reply Id ask if you disliked me, Im kinda curious) I also, don't believe I have the ability to make people dislike you, thanks for the credit tho' I'm not that powerful and I give the people here more credit than that. well so far >I already posted my statement publicly; too bad you were unable to >comprehend it's meaning. so give up on me *shrug* Don't help me understand. That makes sense (<-sarcasm) >I am the absolute LAST person to advocate >censorship, but by god, I won't allow a gate-crasher to ruin the >party. every post of yours that I have seen appears to have been >calculated to provoke someone or something. Nope, I believe you are about the third, maybe the last, but I doubt ir >you want a piece of me ? My goodness no, what would I do with it? >better bring your lunch. and by the way, I >won't help you by allowing you to cause a scene here. This is my last >word on the subject. cool, wasnt very informative anyway, just offensive. Thanks for playing, Lynne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:32:53 GMT From: wahrend@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Good people In article <3648946A.7960@cc.umanitoba.ca>, Josh Drury wrote: > wahrend@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > > > Blanket statements like "most people are dumb", are pretty easy to dismiss. > > But most people *are* dumb, it doesn't take a scientific study to tell > you this, if you normally pay attention to those around you when you're > in public. According to what standard? One that you set? Compared to our ancestors we're smarter and on average a lot taller. If I am one of the "dumb masses" then most people are on par with me and therefore most people would be of average intelligence and not dumb. But I won't belabor the point (too late), if I say most toilets are white, sure we don't need to send out people to do a census on that, but I wouldn't expect someone to respond to this statement with something other than, "sure, that sounds reasonable" or "I don't think so". [snip - hey look, I cut out some the previous post! take that net police! woo hoo!] > But to > > say that the band is more educated (a really general term in itself) than > > most Americans could only elicit a response like the one you got. More > > educated how? Politically, probably, in math, who knows? > > In years of education, I'd definitely take that wager. What is your focus group? Many people don't get past 7th grade. Or are you talking about people who grow up in white suburban neighborhoods that have well funded public/private educations because the tax base is better? If you're talking about the america at large, oh hands down, they're definitely more educated. The other group? Who knows, without numbers I am reluctant to say. > I don't have a feel > > for level of education that the guys have, although a recent study has said > > that musicians have 5% larger cerebellium. > > Yeah, and men on average have larger cerebelli (pluralised correctly?) > that Women. Irrelevant to education levels, or intelligence in most > cases. Just like education level isn't always a good indicator of being able to read, nor is doing well on the SATs or in high school always a good indicator of being able to do well in college. Nor is having a good education always a good indicator of being successful, whether you define it as being able to find a mate, be financially secure, happy or whatever. It was just a little statistic I threw in as a bone(shame on me! you're listening to NPR again!). Having a larger brain definitly has little effect on education level though, you've got me there, but then again, whether or not a person has a car has little effect on their education level too. BTW: how do you define intelligence? Philosophers and CS people alike have been grapling with this concept for many years, its hard to make an "intelligent" artifical being if you can't define what it is to be intelligent. So, are you talking about intelligence as in the ability to rawly reguritate something that you just read (hopefully it is not defined by how you can spell)? Computers are great at that, so are many people. The ability to take data and make conclusions? Computers can do that too! Are then computers intelligent? > And lastly, *please* don't quote an entire message if you're not using > it, it wastes time and makes people think, "Jeez, that's dumb. But hey, > most people are." Just a thought. *Please* don't go there. If you looked at the original text you would see that I didn't quote the entire message. Much of it I left in for context, some stuff I probably could have cut out but I decided to leave in. But, dumb me, I'd rather quote too much than too little. "wild" Bill - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1012 *********************************************