From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1009 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Good people [Lynne Fisher ] RE: Good people ["Nowik, George" ] SPEAKING OF OPINIONS ["Glen -Skip- Newell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:46:55 GMT From: Lynne Fisher Subject: Re: Good people This starts out quite harsh, but I like the ending..... >Oh no... I'll bite, although I am fresh out of tact. tact? or reading ability? >> The fans- you guys, me? I was at a concert where Jian said something >> about not using flash- it bothers him. OK, I never want to bother >> anyone, even used his suggestion that I could cover my flash with my >> hand. So.. I'm at another concert where I'm using this >> "great"(<<-sarcasm) new way to take pictures (not so great cuz the >> pictures don't come out). I should mention that while you cover the >> flash, mostly what happens is the flash that does go through, flashes >> right back at the photographer, I can see why they feel it's so >> annoying, but that is not my point. In case my sarcasm, which was pointed out, wasn't clear.. I do cover my flash, which is why I can understand their concern. >If I hear another person bitch about not being able to take flash pictures >I'm going to scream. Since, this is not at all what *I* was saying, I suppose you may just scream anyway, huh? Here is my exact issue. You- some person who was not there, has obviously no idea of the situation, thinks it is OK to preach (even show hostility) to me about what you think my behavior was. I don't understand this. >What is so wrong with the guys wanting to put on a kick >ass show and not be blinded in the process? absolutely nothing. Although they kick ass any way shape or form as far as Im concerned. > You can see why taking flash >pictures is annoying and that is the POINT. The fan was not treating you >like dirt, he/she was just telling you like it is, if you can't use your >camera responsibily don't use it. OK, glad you aren't on any supreme court cases, did you hear the person who "barked" at me? Do you know what my feelings are about possibly offending the band? Furthur more, do you even care? Obviously not. I'm mostly disappointed in people who are so blinded by their loyalities that they treat other humans with such disrespect. Finally, I use my camera responsibily. Go ahead try to disprove that one... camera responsibility.... hmmmm. .oO(Coffee Table Book?) >There have been posted countless >suggestions on how to get around the flash. The best I have heard is use a >piece of electrical tape over the flash. Your pictures come out like shit >because you are probably using a low speed film, you will need to use >something higher than 2/400. Thanks, only got on the list this week ( and already causing trouble -so very "me") missed the countless posts, but I suppose I should have known (haha -sarcasm again-) that you would have the expectation that I would be aware of all that has happened since you decided to join, because your world experience is so similar to mine? Sarcasm and agitation aside, I have been using 400 speed film, haven't tried 800, seriously- good idea, Ill get some for new years. hmm, reading is fundamentaL.... > But to >say that the band is more educated (a really general term in itself) than >most Americans could only elicit a response like the one you got. The only response that I have received so far regarding that comment, besides an "i agree w/ most of what you said" was this, yours. Which I am having a hard time finding much value in, but Im looking, really really hard. OH the film thing, that was valuable. >More educated how? Politically, probably, in math, who knows? I don't >have a feel >for level of education that the guys have, although a recent study has said >that musicians have 5% larger cerebellium. Much more educated politically, about general world issues, in my opinion. If you really really want to I can research some facts, the stats are out there, you can manipulate them however you choose to prove your point. Do you know the bell curve? I'd guess they would fall in the high end if compared to most Americans. Which makes them an even more admirable band, because the majority of their fans are college students, and younger children. (How I love the song "kids"!!) This wasnt my point, by the way. I m just defending myself now. Useless. A student government associationon my campus just denied political parties access to the residence hall floors. Interesting choice the representitives of the student body made. I had a little conversation about at least letting political candidates in our lobbies. I personally have experienced that college students, for the most part, do not know and are not concerned w/ political issues that can/will affect them. Most have no idea of the pwer they have in making change! >> Ok, here is where I became concerned. I am primarily >> concerned that someone who doesn't know me, is warning me not to hurt >> someone. >> I also >> realize that people are trying to protect their loved ones, but it >> appears then, that we believe that they are not capable of doing it >> themselves. > >There are a number of people here who are indeed protective of the band. I >really don't see anything wrong with the person asking you to be gentle. ok, me either >He/She did not say that you couldn't ask the question, they just said that >the question could be painful to Jian and that you should show some tact when >posing it. Thoughtful "pioneers" and people use care, "look before you leap". I don't know, I try to believe the best of people, new concept for some people. I'm concerned that someone would assume that I wouldnt be tactful. Give me some credit, and if you don't have enough information to think the best, you surely don't have enough to assume the worst. >Many of the fans here and not on the ng have a friendly >relationship with the band and I don't know about you, but I am pretty >protective of my friends. Exactly my point, YOU don't know about me. but still appear to believe that I should have the same beliefs as you... or as a majority. >If someone, whom I don't know, may do something >that might hurt my friend, I'll let them know about it. Does that make me a >inpediment to pioneers, probably, so be it. It also, in my estimation, makes >me a good friend. Good friend, huh? So, I wonder if fame is the first factor in your decision process. I'm some little peon on a mailing list, right? Obviously not worthy of your friendship? I look at Moxy Fruvous- they make me feel great. Great about me, great about them, great about my life. No I don't consider myself a friend, I would love to establish the friendly relationship I have w/ my friends with those guys. Well, I think, from what I know so far. Right now tho, I kinda idolize them, not the best basis for a friendship. >I don't much care for people speaking for myself, so I think that this is a >real issue. wow! did we just agee? cool! *hi5* >> If anyone actually read this far, hey thanks! >Not a problem. I am pretty sure that many people will probably read this >far. About your negative experiences with the fans, that I am sorry about >that because I consider myself one, but if you want to ask the questions you >don't need my approval or anyone else's, just ask it if you want to. But I >fail to see anything wrong with someone saying "make sure you think it out >first". Just my $.02. I agree, again! Thinking is what Im talking about. Thanks you! I wouldn't say that my experiences were negative, just concerning, thought provoking... I hope those people are reading, and especially responding. I'm all about people telling me I may be wrong, it challenges me to discover whether or not I am (in my book). Another thing about me, you don't need to apologize for the other people. I don't blame you or anyone else. If it bothers me enough I confront the person and hopefully we have a conversation about it. Have a great week, Lynne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:22:12 GMT From: "Nowik, George" Subject: RE: Good people > ---------- > From: Lynne Fisher[SMTP:lfisher@bgnet.bgsu.edu] > Subject: RE: Good people > > >Why would anyone who likes the band enough to come out > >and pay for a show choose to ignore their request and annoy them like > that? > >Of course, this was the show that someone chucked a broken battery at > Jian > >and cut him... > > I am disgusted that someone would throw anything at them, at anyone. > It is > dangerous and mean! I guess this helps me to put into perspective why > people would or could be wary of my intentions. Thanks. > > i like the Henry Rollins solution to the throwing things situation. someone threw a shoe at him in a show in seattle once (i was sorta dragged to it, but he's a funny guy when speaking) and when the song was over (this was the second shoe, btw) he commented that the shoe missed him by like an inch. "Whoever threw this shoe at me, I want you to come up on stage with me right here, and you can do whatever you want to me. But when you're finished, I get to do what _I_ want with _you_." ... anyone who has ever seen henry rollins knows that he is somewhat ... ripped. *grin* i keep reading the things about the battery being thrown at jian and cutting him. i can't imagine it. it boggles my mind. it disgusts me. i'm not a violent person in any way, but i would certainly like to have a few words with the netherregions-mosquitoe that felt the need to do that. as far as the whole thread about the fruhead who took their obligations to respecing the bands wishes a little too far, i don't even know what to think except just that: someone took their beliefs very seriously, but did not exactly deliver the information in an even remotely tactful manner. disappointing. such is life, however. i hope you're still reading, lynne, and i hope that you don't judge us all by an overzealous comment during a very adrenaline-heightened situation. concerts are not a good place to judge an individuals character, methinks, much less a whole group. (: take care, -= george =- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:39:26 GMT From: "Glen -Skip- Newell" Subject: SPEAKING OF OPINIONS I HAVE HAD IT. Enough is Enough. I am not about being victimized by my life, or the people around me, or by other people in my general vicinity. AND I REFUSE TO BE DUMPED ON BY PEOPLE WHO ARE. I have had enough of people using this as a forum to piss and moan and bitch and backbite about who-said-what-did-what -to-whom-at -what show. ENOUGH !!! AND I think all of you know who I'm speaking of. Frankly, I don't give a flying F-k about any of that; that's not why I subscribe, not why I spend a signicant amount of time reading ALL the posts here (which, by the way until recently have been overwhelmingly a pleasure to read). GET OVER IT. If you can't handle avoiding people who act stupid , then for God's sake stay the hell away FROM PLACES WHERE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO ENJOY THEMSELVES !! and furthermore, those of you who seem to relish "making trouble"...get the hell off this NG. We aren't about that here. We aren't interested in hearing about it here. this is NOT what Moxy Fruvous, or the people who love them are about. I may be wrong, but I'm sure I speak for the majority on this. Skip " Discretion is the Better Part of Valor..." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1009 *********************************************