From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1008 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1008 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Rochester locations for future Fru-shows [kdsinthhal@aol.comatose (Kd] Chain stores... [Dagonet ] Re: [RE: Good people] [kdsinthhal@aol.comatose (KdsInThHal)] Baltimore setlist [Alan Sigman ] RE: Good people [Lynne Fisher ] Re: [Re: [RE: Good people]] [Angelique Armstrong I would have to answer: All those darn teenagers! >I think any venue that is 18+ would be better. >--Novac, annoyed by the immaturity of one specific male youth with a cell... heyheyheyheyheyheyhey... i hope you're joking... a lot of us fruheads are still in high school. in fact, half of my senior class was at that show last week, much to my surprise. sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/kdsinthhal/ "i'm a suuuperstar in a superstar machine!" -- david cross (singing), mr. show "You gonna fall asleep with your glasses on? Are you really that punk rock?" -- a sloan fan-fic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:10:59 -0500 From: Dagonet Subject: Chain stores... As much as I dislike chains, I feel I have to defend them on one count. A list: 1) Moxy Fruvous 2) Ashley MacIsaac 3) Great Big Sea 4) Capercallie 5) Natalie McMaster 6) Alan Parsons (specifically the _Definitive Collection_) 7) Christine Lavin Seven artists, right off the top of my head, that I could NOT find at the local small stores. Why? I'm in Indiana, where they're full of alternative crap like Marilyn Manson and NiN. And I found every single one at Borders, here, and my CD collection is better for it. Mind you, I still boycott Barnes and Noble, but for different reasons; most notably that they shelve occult hatemonger Bob Larson's books in their New Age section, and I'm RL Wiccan clergy. But it's not as clearcut as people would have you believe. Duke E. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 1998 20:27:18 GMT From: kdsinthhal@aol.comatose (KdsInThHal) Subject: Re: [RE: Good people] > Offended because Mr. Battery-chucker gives >Rochester a bad name. I applaud and am greatly appreciative of the guys >(especially Jian, who got hit) for going on with the concert. I'm sure >the >thought went through their minds, and the general reaction could have been, >"thank the a$$hole with the battery for ruining your night, we're not >performing." it was probably the same person that chucked something at john flansburgh while tmbg was performing at water street almost 2 years ago. they cut their set by probably 20 minutes, at least. > "Frufan Mold," but in >actually there is, sort of. A generally good-humoured, good-natured, >fun-loving, witty, generous and friendly kind of attitude (along with a >love >for non-convention). Sometimes I'm inclined to agree that there should >be an >18+ cut-off (ok, compromise... 18+ for evening gigs, free for all for >in-stores and festivals). you kinda contridicted yourself there... essentially you're saying fruvous fans under 18 are *not* good people? stereotyping is a really evil thing... why deprive us younger fans just at the fault of irresponsible people who aren't real fans? and how do we even know that the battery thrower wasn't some scuzzy drunk middle aged guy? sarah linnellgirl@tmbg.org http://members.aol.com/kdsinthhal/ "i'm a suuuperstar in a superstar machine!" -- david cross (singing), mr. show "You gonna fall asleep with your glasses on? Are you really that punk rock?" -- a sloan fan-fic ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:09:21 GMT From: Alan Sigman Subject: Baltimore setlist Great time at the show last night! It was much more crowded than I would have expected for a Monday night in Baltimore. When Jian asked how many people had never seen Fruvous before, there were a lot of hands raised. The crowd was mostly attentive and responsive throughout the show, and I know that all 3 of the first-timers who I was hanging out with were very impressed and will see the band again. I didn't keep a setlist, but I think I've remembered all the tunes, though the order may not be 100% correct. The Vault, Baltimore, MD 11/9/98 Sahara (not the long version) Half as Much Lazlo's Career Jockey Full of Bourbon Horseshoes Blow Wind Blow Fly You Will Go to the Moon Kick in the Ass Boo Time Billy Jean medley Sad Girl Pisco Bandito Greatest Man in America Gotta Get a Message to You King of Spain Green Eggs & Ham BJ Don't Cry Michigan Militia Johnny Saucep'n Love Potion #9 medley Early Morning Rain Gulf War Song Between songs banter included: - -Jian showing an ad in the local City Paper for a disco/dance club, with a picture of a naked woman covering her breasts. The guys concluded that she got into the picture by accident, and that was the last shot they had, so they had to use it for the ad. - -They mentioned that the write-up for Moxy in the City Paper was favorable, but it said they use a lot of profanity. They then proceeded to use a lot of profanity. - -Jian talked about Ally McBeal a bit, but I've never seen the show, so I can't comment on that. - -Mike started singing Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick", and someone from the audience yelled out for "Locomotive Breath". - -Several Baltimore references throughout. A bit about the "red light district", mention of the Bromo Seltzer clock, and a few rhymes using "inner harbor". Also, after they had finished Blow Wind Blow, Dave said he should have rhymed "Fels Point" and "smoking a joint". There were a couple of awkward moments. Blow Wind Blow seemed unplanned, and the harmonies didn't sound as together as when I heard them do it before. After Jian improvised a verse, then Mike, then Dave, Jian motioned over to Murray, who said he didn't have a verse ready. Jian improvised another verse about Murray not being ready, then put Murray on the spot and insisted he come up with something. The song came to a complete halt, and finally Murray made up a verse about having stage anxiety. Another moment was at the start of You Will Go to the Moon, Dave was having a hard time finding the first note, as Murray played the pitch pipe (is that what you call that thing?) many times before they finally started. Then during the pause later in the song after "you'll be the big cheese on that orbiting rondel", Murray had to pull out the pitch pipe again to find his note to lead into the end of the song. But these moments didn't hinder the show at all. If anything, it lets the audience see that they're just a bunch of regular guys singing on stage, and they're not so polished that they're just going through the motions. It makes the whole thing seem more genuine, not like a planned act. Every time I see the band, I am impressed with how they keep improving instrumentally. It's also great to see them switching instruments for some of the new songs. As if they weren't already versatile enough. Looking forward to another one tomorrow night in Wilmington... -Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:00:46 GMT From: Lynne Fisher Subject: RE: Good people Thanks Nancy! Once I heard Jian mention the flash thing, I never did it again! I have been in the front row each time Ive gone to see them, and I see the anguish in his face after the flash (maybe its dizziness-haha) the difference w/ my situation, I think, Is that, they never asked, not aloud, and this person was aggressive about it. >Why would anyone who likes the band enough to come out >and pay for a show choose to ignore their request and annoy them like that? >Of course, this was the show that someone chucked a broken battery at Jian >and cut him... I am disgusted that someone would throw anything at them, at anyone. It is dangerous and mean! I guess this helps me to put into perspective why people would or could be wary of my intentions. Thanks. >I feel bad that Lynne had a bad experience with Fr¸fan(s), in general this >is a very friendly ng and people tend to have a lot of respect for each >other. I was surprised the people I went with and most of who I had met were really nice. I appreiciate your sympathy, but please don't feel bad, that won't benefit either of us! I'm not discouraged... *smile* - -Lynne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:00:00 GMT From: Angelique Armstrong Subject: Re: [Re: [RE: Good people]] you kinda contridicted yourself there... essentially you're saying fruvous fans under 18 are *not* good people? stereotyping is a really evil thing... why deprive us younger fans just at the fault of irresponsible people who aren't real fans? yes and no as to contradicting myself. between trying to be brief (and failing miserably, again) and trying to look like I'm actually doing work a number of thoughts ran together. I am guilty of generalizing,terrible habit I know but not always avoidable. It would be most utopia-like to screen the non-believers and irresponsible fans, and we know it will never happen. There were a number of younger groups that detracted from the overall experience, and I did say "sometimes" implying it wasn't a heart-felt conviction. People need to take responsibility for their own actions (ie excessive drinking, becoming obnoxious), if they are not capable then their peers should impress upon them that they are acting like fools. It doesn't always happen, and in the end I suppose I just need to quit my whining and deal. I guess the reason I'm upset is because initially at a Fruvous concert, there was nothing to _deal_ with. I had just as offensive a run-in with someone apparently my age, a little matter of someone being 8-feet tall standing right next to the stage and when shorter people behind him asked him to move (a foot to the right), his attitude was "tough, I'm here, you go somewhere else or suffer." His view would not have at all been impaired and he would have made it more enjoyable for about 6 or 7 people (there was no one behind where we suggested he move). What can you do but grumble and try to move. I have this tendency to expect people to be as considerate as I try to be, again, very utopia-like. and how do we even know that the battery thrower wasn't some scuzzy drunk middle aged guy? we don't, didn't say it was. my intent was not to offend or rile... only to voice an opinion. peace? - -A ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1008 *********************************************