From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1003 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1003 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Starbucks (was: Have you ever noticed) [Loren Becker ] Re: Renaming the world (was Have you ever noticed) [elinX@rff.org (Rodney] Re: Has anyone ever noticed? [elinX@rff.org (Rodney Elin)] Re: Video killed the King of Spain? [Marie.Claude@canada.com] 11/9 at the vault: of serendipity and silly hats [epbuckley@my-dejanews.c] WAnyextra Delaware Tixs? [baccahs@aol.com (Baccahs)] Re: Good people [wahrend@my-dejanews.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:01:37 GMT From: Loren Becker Subject: Re: Starbucks (was: Have you ever noticed) tmbgirl@juno.com wrote: > so i've kinda got a mad-addiction to coffee... but you could always do > what i've resorted to and get some connections (friends) in Brazil and > (for the most part, not too illegaly) import the beans for your own > personal enjoyment and avoid the entire mess of skanky corporations :P I hate to tell you this but most likely the treatment of the workers on the coffee plantation where your imported beans come from is not any better than the large corporations. Brazil may be one of the richer, and definitely most industrialized, countries in Latin America but it also has really terrible distribution of wealth. Coffee plantations are labor intensive by nature and chances are your coffee is hand picked by underpaid workers who work from sun-up to sundown during harvesting season for barely enough to support themselves and their families. It may be better in terms of not being the U.S. (why is there no English word for estadounidense?) corporate take-over but Latin American landowners can be a pretty nasty bunch in their own right. loren. who stopped drinking coffee while living in Nicaragua, where all anybody could afford is Cafe Presto instant coffee (blech!). Sad, ain't it? God knows, now they can't even afford that... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Am I the ear that listens or am I the melody? I am not the eye that sees: I'm the images." --Eduardo Galeano, from Dias y Noches del Amor y la Guerra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:15:18 GMT From: elinX@rff.org (Rodney Elin) Subject: Re: Renaming the world (was Have you ever noticed) On 10 Nov 1998 02:08:13 GMT, jenncyn@aol.com (JennCyn) wrote: >>Also try "I'd like to see Bill Gates dead!" tee hee. > >::doubled over in near-hysterical laughter:: > >and all this from a company that actively discourages easter eggs.... It is not really that hysterical, and almost certianly not an easter egg. Try the following: I'd like to see Steven Jobs dead! or I'd like to see Cliff Stoll dead! or I'd like to see Rodney Elin dead! or I'd like to see Bill Gates drunk! or I'd like to see Murray Foster! or I'd like to see Amy Rigby and Teri Garr together! get it? - --Rodney (Oops! It looks like I accidentally put an extra character in my email address. To reply to this message, remove the letter X) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:07:42 GMT From: elinX@rff.org (Rodney Elin) Subject: Re: Has anyone ever noticed? On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 03:13:27 GMT, "A.J. LoCicero" wrote: >Chains kill local stores because they offer consistency, longer hours, >large, predictable selection, and often pricing that stores with lesser >volume cannot match. Large chain stores, franchised or company owned, also kill local stores by practices that may not be technically illegal, but amount to unfair trade. Practices such as: operating specific locations at a loss until local competition is gone; creating virtual distribution monopolies of key items or ingredients, hiring large numbers of locals with promisses of specific benefits, then revoking the benefits when the store controls a large portion of the local workforce (and try to find a union at WalMart or McDonalds. Heck, try and find a full time employee at McDonalds.) It is not just a cultural drought that national chains purvey, but also the bastardization of a free enterprise system. - --Rodney (Oops! It looks like I accidentally put an extra character in my email address. To reply to this message, remove the letter X) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:38:02 GMT From: Marie.Claude@canada.com Subject: Re: Video killed the King of Spain? > BTW: MM's Spotlight program will create a Spotlight for any band that has five > released videos. If us Fruheads mount a big enought campaign, maybe something > will result. spot@muchmusic.com is their email address. MM already made a Spotlight on Fruvous in 1995. The videos for KoS, Authors, Stuck in the 90's, Fell in Love and Down From Above, plus snippets of interviews in between (the regular Spotlight format). There wouldn't be much to add now aside from more interviews, Fly, and Get in the Car (not that I would mind). My personal favourite FruSpotlight moment is the Tall New Buildings video. I have that song popping in my head every now and then :) - -- Marie-Claude "I'm beside myself. I'm over there." - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:03:20 GMT From: epbuckley@my-dejanews.com Subject: 11/9 at the vault: of serendipity and silly hats not a review, just some random comments. alan with the new potato caboose shirt on-- unless there was more than one NPC shirt there last night, i met you. i went back to the bar during the opening act to find my friend and fruvirgin david, who was calmly smoking a cigarette, clearly unaware of what was soon to happen to him. and what do i see, but the gentleman next to me wearing a shirt proclaiming the name of my beloved NPC. an *old* NPC shirt, even. there were newer versions, but he had the classic. after i resumed normal breathing, alan was kind enough to let me know that there is to be one final NPC reunion show, at the bayou, december 26th. this will be one of the bayou’s last shows, at least according to the post article i read that said that New Year’s Eve will be the last waltz for the bayou. *snif* now, on to the Silly Hat Thing. don’t get me wrong, i like a good silly hat as much as the next person, but i have a bit of a rant to share about them. kids,... and yes I do mean “kids.” this has come to my attention at the past few fruvous shows i have been to, and i want to give y’all the benefit of the doubt and just think that you don’t have a lot of concert-going experience. otherwise, i’d really hope you’d know this already, because this is nothing but Common Courtesy 101. if you want to wear a big silly hat, please don’t stand in the front. if you want to stand in the front, please don’t wear a big silly hat. no matter how cool you think it looks (i guarantee, the people behind you don’t agree). thank you, i’m finished now. peace, ellen - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ Date: 10 Nov 1998 15:37:46 GMT From: baccahs@aol.com (Baccahs) Subject: WAnyextra Delaware Tixs? Hi I just saw them at the Vault in Baltimore, an excellent show (with King of Spain and Green Eggs back-to-back) and of course now I feel I MUST go to see tham on Wed. Nov. 11 in Delaware, but the show is Sold Out!!!! Anyone have two extra tixs, I know i doubt it, but ahhhh really they seemed like they were coming down with colds so you proably don't want to go anyway :) email me at Baccahs@aol.com if you can fulfil my fantasy thanks all - -peace Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:54:07 GMT From: wahrend@my-dejanews.com Subject: Re: Good people In article , Lynne Fisher wrote: > OK, this is really long and has been composed throughout my day, it is > not meant to be mean or to offend, but rather to spark some thoughtful > conversation. Oh no... I'll bite, although I am fresh out of tact. > The fans- you guys, me? I was at a concert where Jian said something > about not using flash- it bothers him. OK, I never want to bother > anyone, even used his suggestion that I could cover my flash with my > hand. So.. I'm at another concert where I'm using this > "great"(<<-sarcasm) new way to take pictures (not so great cuz the > pictures don't come out). I should mention that while you cover the > flash, mostly what happens is the flash that does go through, flashes > right back at the photographer, I can see why they feel it's so > annoying, but that is not my point. A fruvous fan, obnoxiously tells > me "Don't use your flash!" I understand being protective over the most > wonderful band we know, but no need to treat people who are not "Moxy > Fruvous" like a piece of dirt. This all worked out kinda well, when > after I had taken the picture Jian came right in front of us and sang > at me. So this person, I guess, assumed that he wasn't mad or > anything. *phew* ;) If I hear another person bitch about not being able to take flash pictures I'm going to scream. What is so wrong with the guys wanting to put on a kick ass show and not be blinded in the process? You can see why taking flash pictures is annoying and that is the POINT. The fan was not treating you like dirt, he/she was just telling you like it is, if you can't use your camera responsibily don't use it. There have been posted countless suggestions on how to get around the flash. The best I have heard is use a piece of electrical tape over the flash. Your pictures come out like shit because you are probably using a low speed film, you will need to use something higher than 2/400. > Secondly, I believe the band we all admire is very informed, more > educated than most Americans which is kinda satirical in itself, but > again, not my point. I got this response from a post I made: > > *smile* I wouldn't count on it. This I believe was probably just a normal response to a general statement. Blanket statements like "most people are dumb", are pretty easy to dismiss. Now you if had backed up your statement with some statistics, like surveys indicate that 3/4 americans couldn't spell moxy fruvous or think that toronto is the capital of canada, then you might have sparked a discussion. But to say that the band is more educated (a really general term in itself) than most Americans could only elicit a response like the one you got. More educated how? Politically, probably, in math, who knows? I don't have a feel for level of education that the guys have, although a recent study has said that musicians have 5% larger cerebellium. > This was in response to me getting an answer from Jian about > some possibly personal questions. > > > > Just do me a favor: please be tactful, and if he doesn't feel like > talking about > > it, don't push him. He is truly in pain, every time he sings that > > song, and it's obviously quite a story, so it may be too painful for > > him to talk about, y'know? > > Ok, here is where I became concerned. I am primarily > concerned that someone who doesn't know me, is warning me not to hurt > someone. I know me, and I know I would never do such a thing. I do > not, however, know Jian as well as I know myself (duh) but I think I > can safely assume that he has the ability to tell me himself that he > prefer not to speak about the topic. Mostly -to remove this from being > a personal issue- I guess my concern is that, if pioneers and people > who want to find out more about anything in this world listen to > responses like the one I received, where would we be? I appreciate > your concern, but I am an intelligent, thoughtful, and polite person, > as is Jian from what I percieve from my interations with him. I also > realize that people are trying to protect their loved ones, but it > appears then, that we believe that they are not capable of doing it > themselves. There are a number of people here who are indeed protective of the band. I really don't see anything wrong with the person asking you to be gentle. He/She did not say that you couldn't ask the question, they just said that the question could be painful to Jian and that you should show some tact when posing it. Thoughtful "pioneers" and people use care, "look before you leap". The pioneers which didn't (donner party) are now infamous. Nobody is saying that Jian couldn't say for himself that the topic is painful, in fact I think he should come up with a number of canned responses to questions and when they are asked again for the tenth time instead of having to answer them directly himself, we can just point the person to the web site and they can read the response. Many of the fans here and not on the ng have a friendly relationship with the band and I don't know about you, but I am pretty protective of my friends. If someone, whom I don't know, may do something that might hurt my friend, I'll let them know about it. Does that make me a inpediment to pioneers, probably, so be it. It also, in my estimation, makes me a good friend. > I'm concerned at the number of people who are so freely willing to > speak for the band and I wonder if people are competing. Another > thing I thought was interesting: The Starbucks thread, Someone said, > "The reason Jian (and just about everyone who cares about small > communities) hates starbucks is that they are a large chain." > Then someone else mentioned a more political view, prefacing it w/ "I > can't speak for Jian, but.." I will take the advice to research it > further, but in some cases I tend to be lazy, I won't make a decision > regarding Starbucks without more information. I don't much care for people speaking for myself, so I think that this is a real issue. Its obvious that Jian and maybe other members of the band dislike Starbucks, I leave it at that. I dislike coffee (I know, what type of computer person could I be if I don't like coffee), but I do like coffee houses and something that offers a free medium in which to express ideas. Chain stores tend to ruin smaller businesses (from my own observations, I'm sure I could probably dig up some statistics if I really cared), Walmart, Starbucks, etc etc... > If anyone actually read this far, hey thanks! Not a problem. I am pretty sure that many people will probably read this far. About your negative experiences with the fans, that I am sorry about that because I consider myself one, but if you want to ask the questions you don't need my approval or anyone else's, just ask it if you want to. But I fail to see anything wrong with someone saying "make sure you think it out first". Just my $.02. "wild" Bill (the only thing that stops me from consuming myself sometimes is my hips) - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1003 *********************************************