From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1001 Reply-To: ammf@fruvous.com Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1001 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Good people [Lynne Fisher ] Re: Rochesterites! [Lynne Fisher ] A Different King of Spain... ["Kevin Kobos" Subject: Good people OK, this is really long and has been composed throughout my day, it is not meant to be mean or to offend, but rather to spark some thoughtful conversation. It has been a long day, I woke up this morning and was offended by an email I received from this list. Me being offended, that's for me to deal with. But it made me wonder, I have this idea of what Fruvous Fans are (Fruheads, if you wish); a group of people who really care for the band and are accepting to others (other fruvous fans mostly). Maybe I'm wrong, I'm part of an entirely different subculture and that is how it is. The band, each individual, very, very cool. Apparently extremely accepting, considerate, (even to the police trying to kick them out of the place they just performed while the band is trying to speak to their fans), attentive and concerned with world issues, their fans, and so much more I'm sure. The fans- you guys, me? I was at a concert where Jian said something about not using flash- it bothers him. OK, I never want to bother anyone, even used his suggestion that I could cover my flash with my hand. So.. I'm at another concert where I'm using this "great"(<<-sarcasm) new way to take pictures (not so great cuz the pictures don't come out). I should mention that while you cover the flash, mostly what happens is the flash that does go through, flashes right back at the photographer, I can see why they feel it's so annoying, but that is not my point. A fruvous fan, obnoxiously tells me "Don't use your flash!" I understand being protective over the most wonderful band we know, but no need to treat people who are not "Moxy Fruvous" like a piece of dirt. This all worked out kinda well, when after I had taken the picture Jian came right in front of us and sang at me. So this person, I guess, assumed that he wasn't mad or anything. *phew* ;) Secondly, I believe the band we all admire is very informed, more educated than most Americans which is kinda satirical in itself, but again, not my point. I got this response from a post I made: *smile* I wouldn't count on it. This was in response to me getting an answer from Jian about some possibly personal questions. Just do me a favor: please be tactful, and if he doesn't feel like talking about it, don't push him. He is truly in pain, every time he sings that song, and it's obviously quite a story, so it may be too painful for him to talk about, y'know? Ok, here is where I became concerned. I am primarily concerned that someone who doesn't know me, is warning me not to hurt someone. I know me, and I know I would never do such a thing. I do not, however, know Jian as well as I know myself (duh) but I think I can safely assume that he has the ability to tell me himself that he prefer not to speak about the topic. Mostly -to remove this from being a personal issue- I guess my concern is that, if pioneers and people who want to find out more about anything in this world listen to responses like the one I received, where would we be? I appreciate your concern, but I am an intelligent, thoughtful, and polite person, as is Jian from what I percieve from my interations with him. I also realize that people are trying to protect their loved ones, but it appears then, that we believe that they are not capable of doing it themselves. Myself having a strong connection to The Drinking Song, I am amazed at the fact that he doesn't break down completely when he sings it. That's talent for ya. Well, can I safely assume that he doesn't know your story? To be way too personal, I listened closely to this song- twice this morning, and thought about someone close to me, who drank too much and now is not a part of my life (my father) but the "band played on" and life goes on. He made a poor choice. I feel huge emotional ties to that song, but smile and sing it loud and proud. I'm not surprised at Jian's or any of the bands composure. Partly why I have such a huge admiration of them. I'm concerned at the number of people who are so freely willing to speak for the band and I wonder if people are competing. Another thing I thought was interesting: The Starbucks thread, Someone said, "The reason Jian (and just about everyone who cares about small communities) hates starbucks is that they are a large chain." Then someone else mentioned a more political view, prefacing it w/ "I can't speak for Jian, but.." I will take the advice to research it further, but in some cases I tend to be lazy, I won't make a decision regarding Starbucks without more information. If anyone actually read this far, hey thanks! - -Lynne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:42:26 GMT From: Lynne Fisher Subject: Re: Rochesterites! but its so much fun to move & bop around... :) > Me too, although this is the first time I've ever actually posted >anything :> From Canandaigua actually, but going to school in Cleveland. >(Caught their CWRU show last week....sitting on the floor during a show >isn't as bad as it sounds :>) > >-Gabe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:52:19 -0500 From: "Kevin Kobos" Subject: A Different King of Spain... Sitting in english class today, I was delighted when my professor passed out a poem called "The Imaginary Print of Your Spanish Foot". The poem is by Diane Wakoski, and appears in her collection of poems called "Smudging". I will type the poem from my copy, so please excuse errors, thanks:) The King of Spain arrests me on the mountain he is splashing sun over these trees I like the twilight I like the sunset I like the darkening that wraps around me like a vine I listen for footsteps my life is so empty that I must listen for footsteps King of Spain sometimes I think that you live in my head, that I've made you up but I am a bad philosopher one who does not accept life, and I wake up in the morning sometimes I think I find you hairs on my pillow, and the print of your Spanish foot next to my bed King of Spain, one of your names breaks my heart one of your hands pulls enemies out of my fingers one of your friends sends me letters that poison me, and leave black coils around my accepting wrists one of your traitors, a man you've put in jail twice, tries to slash me in the night one of your words has driven a nail through the instep of my foot, one of your elaborate rituals has permanently masked my face. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:04:42 GMT From: nicole.twn.is@ana.ng.at.tmbg.org (Nicole the Wonder Nerd) Subject: Re: tonight's Baltimore show On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:53:44 GMT, Alan Sigman wrote: >>> Does anybody know what time the show starts tonight? > >Doors open at 8, >opening act at 9, >Fruvous at 10. Wow... two syllables short of a haiku. - --n twn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:55:07 GMT From: petit_chou@juno.com Subject: Re: Good people You're welcome. Heather Moore On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:31:35 GMT Lynne Fisher writes: >If anyone actually read this far, hey thanks! > >-Lynne ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #1001 *********************************************