From: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org (alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest) To: ammf-digest@smoe.org Subject: alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #88 Reply-To: ammf@smoe.org Sender: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ammf-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest Monday, July 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: greetings from Alberta! [dacilen@bu.edu (Vika Zafrin)] Penn's Landing/WXPN [cricket5@hotmail.com] Re: branching out in musical tastes... [samoq@aol.com (Samoq)] Re: Moxie tangent [elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James)] Re: Penn's Landing Show [dmandeluxe@aol.com (Dmandeluxe)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:20:53 GMT From: dacilen@bu.edu (Vika Zafrin) Subject: Re: greetings from Alberta! On Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:48:45 +0100, Richard Butterworth wrote: >It *is* the role of parents to teach ethics to their kids, but what if they don't? >Is it better that the government tries to prevent its citizens bringing up >unethical children by use of (sensible) law or that it picks up the pieces >afterwards? In utopia the government should do neither, but that's not where I >live... The 'sensible' part is what makes me question the government's motives. On one hand, as far as I know (and *please* correct me if I'm wrong), the government i snot preventing anyone from actually buying the records that have a parental advisory sticker on them. If it is, that's another story - that's curbing freedom of expression. But if it's not (which, I think, is the case) then people Up Above Us are merely expressing their opinions and, like all humans, are susceptible to making a mistake, and in any case will never be agreed with by everyone. I am sure that what I find offensive will not be offensive to 100% of the population. Why are politicians different? On the other hand... >Its sad that we feel that our governments' motives are dangerous (I believe that >about about my government too, though I may be paranoid) because that means that >democracy isn't working. Who votes for dangerous governments? ...On the other hand, I find it true that power corrupts. That's human nature (has been for thousands of years) and we have to work with it. Usually, I don't trust politicians on everything. I do choose the lesser evil, because I'm not willing to do their job, so I have to work with the choices I'm given. I am not always happy with the actions of my best friend, or my lover - no matter how close I am to a person, there'll be something displeasing to me in how they behave, at least once in our interaction. Why should I expect a politician, a lawmaker that I don't know personally and who is probably much more conservative than I am, to be perfect? That's unrealistic, especially since my idea of political perfection is inevitably someone else's idea of hell. So I try to look at the big picture. Parental advisory stickers are one of the VERY minor evils (if that, even) of internal politics in this country (the U.S. - I'm not really sure how this applies to Canada or the U.K.), and as long as people are not physically barred from buying records with those labels on them, I don't see this as a problem, but rather as an expression of opinion by the People In Power (but people nonetheless). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vika [VEE-kah] Zafrin Patron Saint of Caffeine dacilen at bu dot edu aka Coffee Fru "You and your hula dance of culinary delight..." -ceecee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:09:20 GMT From: cricket5@hotmail.com Subject: Penn's Landing/WXPN This isn't a real review. I'll leave that to Sheryl and Moz and anyone else who jotted down a setlist. This is essentially just my impressions of the show/weekend in something akin to paragraph form. This was my WXPN weekend. Bela Fleck and Flecktones were so great Friday night. I ran into bass player Victor Wooten in the Penn's Landing version of a dark alley on the way to my car. Amazingly, I managed not to fall to my knees to worship him and had a friendly little conversation. He has a great talent for taking a person to newer and newer levels of awe as a show progresses. Wow! The rest of The Flecktones and Bela himself were fabulous too. I was particularly impressed with the saxaphone/flute player who managed to play 2 saxaphones at once, creating a unique harmony. Great start to the weekend! Saturday, the WXPN weekend continued as I slipped down to Penn's Landing to see the band of a guy I went to high school with...Marah. I was able to catch Lucida Williams' sound check. Most of it actually. The crowd was actually really into it, applauding after each song, which sort of weirded her out for the first burst of applause, but then she got into the rhythm of it. Marah started off the day so I was able to jam to their country rock sound, before popping up to the Member Area to say hi. From there, I caught most of the Olu Dara set which was fun too. Dashed away from Singer-Songwriter and met up with Sheryl and Barb at the airport. We waited for Moz's plane to arrive and caught up. Later that night we all slipped over to Jen's favorite Irish bar in Delaware, singing along with the performer (it was that sort of place *grin*) and having a rollicking good time. Sunday...wow. Sunday started with the disapointment of Rob calling to say he wasn't coming. :-( Then, my friends Joanne, Ted and Kevin were *50* minutes late in meeting me at the South Street Diner. Very nice, guys ;-) But this day was destined to go well and even these setbacks couldn't stop it. Got in as the gates opened and immediately spotted Maige. Yay! Sheryl, Barb, Moz and Jen and her friends weren't too far behind. We all just sort of bummed around Penn's Landing for the next 2 hours, waiting for the event to get started. And it did in fine fashion, Mary Arden Collins was great. Silenced the crowd with an a capella opening. Wow. Next up was James McMurtry and then Patty Griffin who was also fabulous. Got a much-deserved standing ovation after her set and was welcomed back for an encore. :-) Next up was......... The VW Beetle Auction. The bidding was a bit spirited and at one point the took out what appeared to be Murray's microphone. But Cal later said that it wasn't one of his. Had it been, the auction would have moved to a WHOLE new level of spirited ;-) Finally, Moxy Fruvous takes the stage. This was the only band who I didn't feel cheated by. They had a rockin', fun set that didn't let up for a second. Banter was mostly focussed on "The hippie on the post," a guy in the audience standing on the concrete support for one of the flag poles. Jian said that he was like one of those dancing sunflowers when you play and they started a little improv. They couldn't have picked a better person. The hippie obligingly started to dance to the little improv about him. Later in the set, Jian wondered what it would be like when he got "maudlin." This started a bluesy improv from Mike. The hippie instantly pulled a clown-like frown and Jian just lost it, cracking up. YAY! As I've said before, the better a show is, the less I recall in a clear, consise manner. I remember pretty much nothing from last night. :-) Just a few highlights. Such as....Sad Girl. I like the back up harmonies that Dave, Mike and Murray have added at the end. Very nice. Rounds out the sound quite a bit. The best for me, though, was just combining my hometown friends with my fruhead friends and folks I had met that day. Lots of laughter and fun. And apparently all of Penn's Landing agreed with mel. I've never seen a line for cds that long in my life. No one else had lines like that. Go Fruvous. Francis Dunnery closed out the night. He sounded great from the Member Area, but I never actually got to SEE him :-( Ah well...next time, Francis :-) All in all, a FABULOUS weekend. Thanks to everyone who shared it with me. Mary cricket5@hotmail.com - -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:47:13 GMT From: samoq@aol.com (Samoq) Subject: Re: branching out in musical tastes... >He does solo work, but also >has a band, called Jim's Big Ego. Want to find out more: >http://www.bigego.com - I certainly highly recommend it. Jim is a >highly cool musician, and so are the people he plays with. Anybody who is making the trek northward to the Stone Coast in Portland for the fru-show on Wednesday might be interested to know that Jim's Big Ego will be playing there on the 23rd. I've never seen them, myself, but after all I've heard here I think I'll be checking them out! ******************************************************************** Sharon samoq@aol.com "Know thyself? If I knew myself, I'd run away." - Goethe ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:26:42 GMT From: elrond@fellspt.charm.net (Matt James) Subject: Re: Moxie tangent Irene Gaspar (gaspar.11@sympatico.ca) wrote: : Hi all, : Whilst we are on a moxie tangent (moxie of all sorts), I thought I would : put in my two cents (Canadian, for what they're worth). : The book I'm reading actually used the word "moxie": "Gadi was visibly : recovering his moxie." Shocked the hell out of me. Just about fell out : of my chair. I have never seen that word simply pulled out of the air : like that. (I did however know a prof who, when he saw it on the front : of my shirt, proceeded to rhyme off the OED definition of the word...) I : have to say, though, that the phrasing in this book is a bit unusual and : so is the word usage. (eg. a couple of pages before "moxie", one : character says to his son, "Gadi, get out. You make me bilious." Now : there's a phrase I would love to use on someone ;) ). You may wonder : what book I am reading (if not, feel free to go on to the next message). : It's called "He, She and It" and it's by Marge Piercy. I'm only halfway : through it, but I highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys sci-fi and/or : has an interest in speculation about cyborgs and humanness. There is another band called _Moxie_ that I have seen in the music store but have never had a chance to listen to. Maybe I'll check them out on the listening station one day. Has anyone heard of this band? Moxie is a word that has been around for a while and can be heard in phrases like "That kid's got moxie!" which I've always taken to mean 'spunk' or 'character'. - -Matt - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt James Voice: (301) 231-9898 x. 121 TYC Associates email: mjames@tyc.com Rockville, MD alternate: mattj@charm.net http://www.tyc.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 1998 14:57:51 GMT From: dmandeluxe@aol.com (Dmandeluxe) Subject: Re: Penn's Landing Show << Fruvous has been known to always come out and sign autographs...however, b/c the show was sponsored by a radio station...ONLY radio station members could get to talk to them afterwards. >> Was that not one of the most bullshit snooty tricks to pull? I was able get up there because Michela's a good buddy, (nor did I press the issue with her), but I did try get in the legit way first & was appalled. After a little while, though, there was no one checking for membership at the upstairs entrance, so anyone could sneak in. The line took a solid 90 minutes to dwindle. I was one of the last & the poor boys were just exhausted, so much so that Mur was just kind of "Yeah...uh huh....ok...." It was kinda funny, actually. So I just scooted after a few words. GREAT show. LOUD crowd. Can you imagine having to follow these guys?!?!??? I'd just get up on stage and say, "Ummmm.... Look why don't you all just go home, because I can't top that last act. Hell, i can't even think about approaching it. I'll completely suck in comparison so... Let's not waste anybody's time... Ummmm... [Traci Ulmann voice] Go home! Go Home!!" Although, Francis Dunnery DID rock out.... And he didn't even say "F**k" once!! - - Mikey ------------------------------ End of alt.music.moxy-fruvous digest V1 #88 *******************************************