From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V12 #43 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Monday, March 5 2007 Volume 12 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site [Elaine ] Re: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site [Merujo ] Re: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site [Merujo ] Re: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site ["Brian Price" ] Re: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site [Patrick McMillan ] RE: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site [Melissa Jordan ] RE: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site ["Rochelle" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:53:47 -0800 (PST) From: Elaine Subject: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site http://www.thomasdolby.com/tdqna.html Posted 2/18/2007 Q: Thomas, Can you share the story / meaning behind screen kiss and white city with us? In an old interview you mentioned they were linked and a pop at America / Hollywood - you also held your hand up to this on the SI DVD which I think was real cool. I have my own theory as to two films being important in these songs which are nicely linked by a Keith......Mark A: No, sorry. If they were ever linked in my mind, now I can't imagine why. And I recently broke a rule and 'spilled the beans' about one of my songs in my blog--which got me several compliments, but also caused a lot of disappointment for people who didn't want their bubble burst. I was left feeling that it's not a good idea to let the audience get their nose under my tent! - -- What a shame. :( People who don't want to know can avoid reading such "spoilers," and the rest of us really enjoyed hearing the story. Now I'll never hear whether there was a real Lorraine swallowed by a wide Brazilian sky, or just what the hell Pulp Culture is all about. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:04:34 -0500 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site I know. I feel the same way. I was really sadly surprised when I read the snotty comment from someone on the blog about how hearing the story of "Budapest" ruined his enjoyment of the song. I mean, WTF? :( On 3/4/07, Elaine wrote: > > > http://www.thomasdolby.com/tdqna.html > > Posted 2/18/2007 Q: Thomas, Can you share the story / meaning behind > screen kiss and white city with us? In an old interview you mentioned > they were linked and a pop at America / Hollywood - you also held your > hand up to this on the SI DVD which I think was real cool. I have my own > theory as to two films being important in these songs which are nicely > linked by a Keith......Mark > > A: No, sorry. If they were ever linked in my mind, now I can't imagine > why. And I recently broke a rule and 'spilled the beans' about one of my > songs in my blog--which got me several compliments, but also caused a lot > of disappointment for people who didn't want their bubble burst. I was > left feeling that it's not a good idea to let the audience get their nose > under my tent! > > -- > > What a shame. :( People who don't want to know can avoid reading such > "spoilers," and the rest of us really enjoyed hearing the story. Now I'll > never hear whether there was a real Lorraine swallowed by a wide Brazilian > sky, or just what the hell Pulp Culture is all about. > - -- "We all have ability. The difference is how we use it." -- Stevie Wonder ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:14:28 -0500 From: Merujo Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site Hmmm... where *did* that comment go? I went back to read the Budapest blog entry just now, and I can't find it. (Only dissenting comment I see out there right now is Rochelle's very gentle one!) Maybe it wasn't actually on the blog, but on the forum, rather... It was snippy. I know there are folks who don't want own their mental images altered. For my part, I love hearing the back story on things. I think it only serves to enhance the understanding and experience of listening to the music. Well, that's my two cents worth, at least. I think I have a harder time with this sort of thing when it comes to books being turned into movies/TV. (Harry Potter comes to mind, although I think the filmmakers have done a remarkably good job, considering that they *had* to cut stuff to make the stories something other than 4-hour epics each time.) Last week, a friend (and fellow Alloy peep) pointed out to me that J.J. Abrams is looking to adapt Stephen King's Dark Tower saga. The books have a special place deep in the hearts of fans, and there is a lot of concern about how they will be brought to life because everyone has such strong mental images. Hopefully, Mr. Dolby's friend J.J. will do a great job. :) But there, it's a matter of one artist's impressions of another artist's work. It's not a matter of seeing/hearing/learning how the original artist came to craft the art. That stuff, I love. Eh, maybe it's just me, and I'm an old fogey! (Which is quite possible.) Whaddya think? (About the whole issue, not me being an old fogey, that is.) :) Melissa On 3/4/07, Merujo wrote: > > I know. I feel the same way. I was really sadly surprised when I read the > snotty comment from someone on the blog about how hearing the story of > "Budapest" ruined his enjoyment of the song. > > I mean, WTF? > > :( - -- "We all have ability. The difference is how we use it." -- Stevie Wonder ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:42:26 +0000 From: "Brian Price" Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site I honestly LOVE to hear the stories behind the songs. When I was growing up listening to Europa, I pictured this guy in England seeing his long lost love after many years. I oftened wondered what she looked like in Thomas' mind, or if she was even real. To hear his true interpretations is always a pleasure, and I especially enjoy it when it happens at a live show. It saddens me to think now that Thomas will hold off sharing more stories with us because of one fan. He needs to realize that the majority of us want to hear what went through his mind as he created a song. As for the old fogey Merujo, I don't think you are an old fogey. If you are, then I'm in BIG trouble here. :) Have a great weekend everyone! Cheers! 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On Mar 4, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Merujo wrote: > > Whaddya think? > > Melissa Toxey/McMillan Design Associates 218 Washington  San Antonio, TX 78204  (210) 225-7066 4608 Ramsgate Court  Arlington, TX 76013  (817) 368-2750 925 Jackson Street  Benicia, CA 94510  (Studio) fax 206-339-3394 http://www.tmdaexhibits.com Conservation Tip: Learn to do more without your car. Bicycle or walk to work, school, & the market. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:27:55 -0500 From: "Rochelle" Subject: RE: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site Oh, I really hope Thomas isn't holding back because of my comment. I just reread what I wrote to see how harsh it sounded. I actually did want to read what he had to say, then found it rather interesting that, after reading it, my thoughts (or interpretation) about the song did change based on what he had to say. As I said at the time, it was a choice I made to read his thoughts. Thomas, should you ever read this, please know that Patrick was right in that you can't please all of us, and you delighted FAR more people with your thoughts about Budapest than were unhappy. And I wasn't unhappy. I just found my thoughts did change. I really debated about posting my thoughts. Even after hitting 'Submit' I wondered if I did the wrong thing. But, I was being honest, and I thought it might be good to see a different take, instead of being a mindless follower (please know I'm NOT accusing any one of being a mindless follower, rather that I wasn't going to give empty praise if it wasn't what I really thought.) Should I keep my thoughts to myself next time? I really do want input on this. Rochelle - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Merujo Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:14 PM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site Hmmm... where *did* that comment go? I went back to read the Budapest blog entry just now, and I can't find it. (Only dissenting comment I see out there right now is Rochelle's very gentle one!) Maybe it wasn't actually on the blog, but on the forum, rather... It was snippy. I know there are folks who don't want own their mental images altered. For my part, I love hearing the back story on things. I think it only serves to enhance the understanding and experience of listening to the music. Well, that's my two cents worth, at least. I think I have a harder time with this sort of thing when it comes to books being turned into movies/TV. (Harry Potter comes to mind, although I think the filmmakers have done a remarkably good job, considering that they *had* to cut stuff to make the stories something other than 4-hour epics each time.) Last week, a friend (and fellow Alloy peep) pointed out to me that J.J. Abrams is looking to adapt Stephen King's Dark Tower saga. The books have a special place deep in the hearts of fans, and there is a lot of concern about how they will be brought to life because everyone has such strong mental images. Hopefully, Mr. Dolby's friend J.J. will do a great job. :) But there, it's a matter of one artist's impressions of another artist's work. It's not a matter of seeing/hearing/learning how the original artist came to craft the art. That stuff, I love. Eh, maybe it's just me, and I'm an old fogey! (Which is quite possible.) Whaddya think? (About the whole issue, not me being an old fogey, that is.) :) Melissa On 3/4/07, Merujo wrote: > > I know. I feel the same way. I was really sadly surprised when I read the > snotty comment from someone on the blog about how hearing the story of > "Budapest" ruined his enjoyment of the song. > > I mean, WTF? > > :( - -- "We all have ability. The difference is how we use it." -- Stevie Wonder ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:05:16 -0800 (PST) From: Melissa Jordan Subject: RE: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site Rochelle - you were very pleasant and encouraging in your dissent on the "reveal" concept, I thought! I can't imagine that TMDR is looking for a sea of "yes men" either in response to his blog posts or out on the forum. Dissent and a free exchange of ideas is a pretty darn healthy thing. But there are ways of approaching it with civility, like you did. Maybe your comment touched him more because you were so thoughtful about it. Some folks understand how to engage in conversation and comments online and some folks just don't. There have been a few times when people have left some really abrasive words on Dolby's blog in this sort of "Sir, you should know better/You have destroyed my memory/blah blah blah" rant that alternately annoys and amuses - partly because the overblown outrage of this small number of commenters is so odd, their posts feel like they really should be fake letters from an old episode of Monty Python ("Yours sincerely, Brigadier General Sir Edmund Whoopsiebottom, Mrs., Retired.") Some people tend to forget that there is a real person on the other end of the comments they leave. And, no matter the level (or lack) of celebrity, things incautiously worded will sting. I loved your comment, Rochelle, though I hold a different view. I loved that you encouraged TMDR to continue to share his thoughts, and that you noted that you made a choice to read on, even if it might affect your perception of the song. A very nice touch. Keep sharing your thoughts, Rochelle. People with dissenting ideas could learn a lot from how you presented your view! (Proof that civility isn't dead yet.) :) Cheers, Melissa Rochelle wrote: Oh, I really hope Thomas isn't holding back because of my comment. I just reread what I wrote to see how harsh it sounded. I actually did want to read what he had to say, then found it rather interesting that, after reading it, my thoughts (or interpretation) about the song did change based on what he had to say. As I said at the time, it was a choice I made to read his thoughts. - --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:17:06 -0500 From: "Rochelle" Subject: RE: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site Melissa, Thank you for your encouraging, and kind, words. You totally understood my intentions. Hopefully, so did Thomas. (Your Python reference had me laughing out loud!) Don't ask my why your words brought up the following memory, as it seems pretty off-topic, but it fits (at least in my stream-of-consciousness mind). My husband and I had tickets to see Thomas in Orlando, FL. Due to circumstances, we were forced to bring our two daughters (ages 4 and 6). The concert started at 10pm, which was two hours past our girls bedtime. We figured we'd stay for Thomas and leave (in other words, not stay for BT). Fate, however, had different ideas. Lunesse offered me backstage passes to the Meet and Greet if I chose to stay. My husband left the choice up to me, as staying meant we had to stay for all of BT's show. I figured I would be insane to pass this up, and I accepted. Thomas must have played for almost two hours. It was great! That also meant BT didn't start until about midnight. As time passed, we were very concerned about our girls and getting them home (it was over an hour's drive to get home). At one point (somewhere well after 1am), Thomas walked by where we were. I politely (I hope) asked him when BT's show would be over. When my husband asked why I did that (he was horrified that I asked Thomas, of all people), I replied who would know better than Thomas, as he's been touring with BT for a while now (this was the part that I was reminded of by your comments, as Thomas may have been one of the headliners, but he's still human). He kindly answered me, and was very accurate in the time remaining. Sorry if I meandered in my memory there. If nothing else, I'm proud to say the first concert my girls went to was Thomas's, and they got to meet him. Rochelle - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Jordan Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:05 PM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: RE: Alloy: Thomas's Q & A site Rochelle - you were very pleasant and encouraging in your dissent on the "reveal" concept, I thought! I can't imagine that TMDR is looking for a sea of "yes men" either in response to his blog posts or out on the forum. Dissent and a free exchange of ideas is a pretty darn healthy thing. But there are ways of approaching it with civility, like you did. Maybe your comment touched him more because you were so thoughtful about it. Some folks understand how to engage in conversation and comments online and some folks just don't. There have been a few times when people have left some really abrasive words on Dolby's blog in this sort of "Sir, you should know better/You have destroyed my memory/blah blah blah" rant that alternately annoys and amuses - partly because the overblown outrage of this small number of commenters is so odd, their posts feel like they really should be fake letters from an old episode of Monty Python ("Yours sincerely, Brigadier General Sir Edmund Whoopsiebottom, Mrs., Retired.") Some people tend to forget that there is a real person on the other end of the comments they leave. And, no matter the level (or lack) of celebrity, things incautiously worded will sting. I loved your comment, Rochelle, though I hold a different view. I loved that you encouraged TMDR to continue to share his thoughts, and that you noted that you made a choice to read on, even if it might affect your perception of the song. A very nice touch. Keep sharing your thoughts, Rochelle. People with dissenting ideas could learn a lot from how you presented your view! (Proof that civility isn't dead yet.) :) Cheers, Melissa Rochelle wrote: Oh, I really hope Thomas isn't holding back because of my comment. I just reread what I wrote to see how harsh it sounded. I actually did want to read what he had to say, then found it rather interesting that, after reading it, my thoughts (or interpretation) about the song did change based on what he had to say. As I said at the time, it was a choice I made to read his thoughts. - --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V12 #43 ***************************