From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V11 #89 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Friday, April 7 2006 Volume 11 : Number 089 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! [Elaine ] RE: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! ["Keith Stansell" ] Re: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! [Peter Adams ] Re: Re: Alloy: More press for Thomas... ["Kara R. Laidlaw" ] Re: Alloy: Blinded By Science Cliché' [hubcity@exit109.com] Re: RE: Alloy: Blinded By Science =?ISO-8859-1?B?Q2xpY2jpJy0tYWdyZWVkLA==?= ["Kara R. Laidlaw" ] Alloy: FW: Google Alert - "thomas dolby" ["Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! "Thomas Dolby is blinding mad, and science has nothing to do with it." MAN he must get sick of those lines! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:05:21 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: RE: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! Oh I don't know - to him they must sound like "ca-ching". - -Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Elaine Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:03 AM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! "Thomas Dolby is blinding mad, and science has nothing to do with it." MAN he must get sick of those lines! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:29:34 +0100 From: Peter Adams Subject: Re: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! On Thursday 06 April 2006 16:02, Elaine wrote: > "Thomas Dolby is blinding mad, and science has nothing to do with it." I thought that was horribly insulting. - -- Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:45:51 -0500 From: "Kara R. Laidlaw" Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: More press for Thomas... Peter made me think "hmmmmm..." when he inquired, > > From: Peter Adams > Date: 2006/04/05 Wed PM 11:34:05 CDT > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: More press for Thomas... > > > On Thursday 06 April 2006 05:01, Kara R. Laidlaw wrote: > > > Strangely, for some reason, I haven't been able to post any comments on > > Thomas' blog entries--some weird little glitch inside my computer. Rather > > frustrating: I get this error message, "This file cannot be used on its > > own", or something like that. So I'll just have to post my thoughts here... > > What browser are you using? I found I couldn't log in using Konqueror. Had to > use Firefox. Oddly, I'm using Firefox--1.5, I think. I also tried IE, and still couldn't post. Oh well. Strange, huh?! Who can tell with those bloomin' error messages anyway??!? ;^) Love and semi-permanent confusion, Kara > -- > Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:58:10 -0500 From: "Kara R. Laidlaw" Subject: Alloy: Just wanting to clarify my last post...just in case! ;^) Hello, my fello Dolbyites!!! :^) I just realized this morning that's it's possible that my last post could be misconstrued to seem to read that I think Thomas is going after K-Fed just for the publicity--but that is most DEFINITELY not what I meant! It's just that Thomas could get a lot of publicity for taking on K-Fed and his unethical thievery, whether he wants to or not. Unfortunately, it might not be publicity exclaiming over his first concert tour in 15 years, as it should be. I just really, really believe that Thomas deserves nothing but respect, and I am concerned that he is not going to get that respect, as those overused "science" and "blinded" terms have become an awful cliche. Thomas most definitely deserves better. I hope that justice still exists in this world of lawyer-vs-lawyer. Kara the Slightly Idealistic... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:04:23 -0500 From: "Kara R. Laidlaw" Subject: Re: Re: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! > From: Peter Adams > Date: 2006/04/06 Thu AM 11:29:34 CDT > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! > > > On Thursday 06 April 2006 16:02, Elaine wrote: > > > "Thomas Dolby is blinding mad, and science has nothing to do with it." > > I thought that was horribly insulting. > > -- > Peter It is, Peter, it is. Also hackneyed, cliched and unoriginal. Bleeaahhhh!! But, thank goodness, the offending (!!!) song has been taken off K-Fed's MySpace page, so I'm crossing my fingers [which is making it kind of hard to type, hee hee] that, as Thomas said, things will start to simmer down. Love and hopes for a peaceful resolution, Kara, who probably thinks too darned much for my own good! ;^) It's All About the Music. :^) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:41:38 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Alloy: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Blinded_By_Science_Clich=E9'?= Note: this email should be read as a light-hearted counter-point. I don't want people to think I'm slamming Kara - she's great and I enjoy her posts. This is just another thought about the clichid use of 'science'. I think we can all agree that She Blinded me With Science is not Thomas' best song. However, there's no getting around the fact that Thomas will forever be linked with that song and video, just as Madonna still gets referred to as the "material girl". But is that such a bad thing? The fact that so many people get that reference instantly speaks volumes about how much Thomas had been an influence on pop-culture. Everybody remembers that song and the associated video. I think they also have a good feeling about it. It invokes a fun time in most of our lives when MTV was new and we were young. I know I have very often seen article and such about science that makes reference to "blinded by science". The articles don't have to explain the reference - everyone knows it. Even a couple of months ago I heard a bit of the song used on Keith Oberman's show in a roundup of some quirky stories - one having to do with science. And don't forget its recent use for ads for Mythbusters and shampoo. So, I think we should sort of embrace She Blinded Me with Science, for without that, we would likely have never gotten to know all those other songs we love so much. Consider it the loss leader - the thing that gets people in the door. I don't know if it still brings Thomas much income (after reading how many cell phones were sold with Beatnik on them, I have a feeling it is not his main source), but I guess it has done well for him over the years. All you have to do is look at all the 80's compilations that feature it. Just another point of view, in the name of Science! (Pointing hand shakily in the air like Dr. Pike) - -Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kara R. Laidlaw Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:58 AM To: alloy@smoe.org Subject: Alloy: Just wanting to clarify my last post...just in case! ;^) Hello, my fello Dolbyites!!! :^) I just realized this morning that's it's possible that my last post could be misconstrued to seem to read that I think Thomas is going after K-Fed just for the publicity--but that is most DEFINITELY not what I meant! It's just that Thomas could get a lot of publicity for taking on K-Fed and his unethical thievery, whether he wants to or not. Unfortunately, it might not be publicity exclaiming over his first concert tour in 15 years, as it should be. I just really, really believe that Thomas deserves nothing but respect, and I am concerned that he is not going to get that respect, as those overused "science" and "blinded" terms have become an awful cliche. Thomas most definitely deserves better. I hope that justice still exists in this world of lawyer-vs-lawyer. Kara the Slightly Idealistic... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:27:07 -0400 From: "keith dawe" Subject: RE: Alloy: Blinded By Science Cliché' Hi, >So, I think we should sort of embrace She Blinded Me with Science, for >without that, we would likely have never gotten to know all those other >songs we love so much. [thumping the table loudly in approval] Hear hear! You're right on the money with that one. SBMwS is the signature tune that lured me into Dolby's twisted world, even if years later that song no longer holds up well to his other efforts. And it is THE song that brings TMDR back into the public mind. That can't be a bad thing, even if it becomes a cliche, because Thomas Dolby will forever own it. - --the other Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:50:25 GMT From: hubcity@exit109.com Subject: Re: Alloy: Blinded By Science Cliché' Keith, I fully embraced that song to begin with...though to be clear, I had already embraced the original "Golden Age Of Wireless" tracklisting. (Thank MTV for exposing me to "Europa and the Pirate Twins" first. Hey, a station that plays music videos - who'da thunk it?) I was a big enough fan back then to remember when I first heard it. A few friends of mine and I sitting at Matt Pinfield's show in college (he and I DJ'd at WRSU, the Rutgers college station back then) when he first threw on "Science"...we all kind of nodded and said "this is gonna be the hit". (It still shocks me that "One Of Our Submarines" was its B-side, since that wound up being the follow-up single here in the US.) Tangentially, Pinfield's hosting VH1's Top 20 tomorrow night - was shooting an interview with Pink when I spoke with him yesterday. As for me, I'm doing an all-80's day tomorrow at altrokradio.com, and I betcha it'll have something from Thomas in it... - -Sean > > Note: this email should be read as a light-hearted counter-point. I don't > want people to think I'm slamming Kara - she's great and I enjoy her posts. > This is just another thought about the clichid use of 'science'. > > > I think we can all agree that She Blinded me With Science is not Thomas' > best song. However, there's no getting around the fact that Thomas will > forever be linked with that song and video, just as Madonna still gets > referred to as the "material girl". > > But is that such a bad thing? The fact that so many people get that > reference instantly speaks volumes about how much Thomas had been an > influence on pop-culture. Everybody remembers that song and the associated > video. I think they also have a good feeling about it. It invokes a fun > time in most of our lives when MTV was new and we were young. > > I know I have very often seen article and such about science that makes > reference to "blinded by science". The articles don't have to explain the > reference - everyone knows it. Even a couple of months ago I heard a bit of > the song used on Keith Oberman's show in a roundup of some quirky stories - > one having to do with science. And don't forget its recent use for ads for > Mythbusters and shampoo. > > So, I think we should sort of embrace She Blinded Me with Science, for > without that, we would likely have never gotten to know all those other > songs we love so much. > > Consider it the loss leader - the thing that gets people in the door. I > don't know if it still brings Thomas much income (after reading how many > cell phones were sold with Beatnik on them, I have a feeling it is not his > main source), but I guess it has done well for him over the years. All you > have to do is look at all the 80's compilations that feature it. > > Just another point of view, in the name of Science! (Pointing hand shakily > in the air like Dr. Pike) > > -Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-alloy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-alloy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kara > R. Laidlaw > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:58 AM > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: Alloy: Just wanting to clarify my last post...just in case! ;^) > > > Hello, my fello Dolbyites!!! :^) > > I just realized this morning that's it's possible that my last post could be > misconstrued to seem to read that I think Thomas is going after K-Fed just > for the publicity--but that is most DEFINITELY not what I meant! It's just > that Thomas could get a lot of publicity for taking on K-Fed and his > unethical thievery, whether he wants to or not. Unfortunately, it might not > be publicity exclaiming over his first concert tour in 15 years, as it > should be. I just really, really believe that Thomas deserves nothing but > respect, and I am concerned that he is not going to get that respect, as > those overused "science" and "blinded" terms have become an awful cliche. > Thomas most definitely deserves better. I hope that justice still exists in > this world of lawyer-vs-lawyer. > > Kara the Slightly Idealistic... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:25:24 -0500 From: "Kara R. Laidlaw" Subject: Re: RE: Alloy: Blinded By Science =?ISO-8859-1?B?Q2xpY2jpJy0tYWdyZWVkLA==?= Mr. Dawe wrote, rather enthusiastically, ;^) > From: "keith dawe" > Date: 2006/04/06 Thu PM 02:27:07 CDT > To: alloy@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Alloy: Blinded By Science Clichi' > > > Hi, > > >So, I think we should sort of embrace She Blinded Me with Science, for > >without that, we would likely have never gotten to know all those other > >songs we love so much. > > [thumping the table loudly in approval] Hear hear! You're right on the > money with that one. SBMwS is the signature tune that lured me into Dolby's > twisted world, even if years later that song no longer holds up well to his > other efforts. And it is THE song that brings TMDR back into the public > mind. That can't be a bad thing, even if it becomes a cliche, because > Thomas Dolby will forever own it. > > --the other Keith ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Agreed, you two Keiths, you! And thank you for the compliment, Mr. Stansell [blush]...I like your posts, too--your alternative viewpoints make me think.:^) It's kind of a shame that that song is all of Thomas' work that most people know, is all. But you're quite right--once they get lured in and have their interest piqued by the quirkiness of "She Blinded Me...", then they will learn about all of his other fantastic, complex, marvellous music (hopefully)!!! :^) Love and lighthearted debate, Kara [so open-minded that my brains keep falling out.];^) It's All About the Music. :^) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Elaine Subject: Re: Alloy: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Blinded_By_Science_Clich=E9'?= I only meant that Thomas must be sick of people saying it to him, is all. :) He probably also gets a ton of "are your tubes and wires in order?" and people shouting, "SCIENCE!" too. I love the song. It rocks, that's why it's so popular! It's a perfect pop song. No question. (My own real induction to the brotherhood came from "Airhead," believe it or not. Another perfect pop song. Not that I hadn't heard Science and Hyperactive and some others on MTV, but it was AAMB that hooked me for real. I was a late bloomer.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:06:44 -0400 From: "Cory Stickel" Subject: RE: Alloy: K-Fe(u)d moves to MTV! Good job, Thomas! Just because "K. Fed." is married to a pop-tr*mp superstar doesn't mean that he has the right to do whatever he wants with other people's music. Go get him, Thomas! :) Cory (aka. Europa) "When I played poker last night with a pack of Tarot cards, I got a full house and four people died." ~Steven Wright - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:48:39 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Alloy: FW: Google Alert - "thomas dolby" The quote in the first article: "PLUS: Thomas Dolby was hugely popular 24 years ago and could still sound futuristic today if only he'd been put in suspended animation right after "She Blinded Me With Science." But the technology just wasn't there yet: science marches on at the HOB." Don't they know? He has a time machine! Actually - the guy looks pretty good for approaching fifetmph so perhaps he has been in some sort of suspended animation. I think their quote is a complement- that he sounds as fresh today as he did 24 years ago. I just revisited that KFED mysite page. If you had any doubt whether the guy was an idiot - then the page is proof. Who could possibly think putting red text on a black background littered with some goofy middle-school quality fixed "KF" logo looks good or is even legible. 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