From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V8 #211 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Tuesday, December 16 2003 Volume 08 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Alloy: Re: alloy-digest V8 #210 [Wargun2438@aol.com] Alloy: FW: Who are Bruce Woolley and the Camera Club?? [] Alloy: Dolby Lists & Crackers Prize ["Michael & Denise" ] RE: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) ["Robin Thurlow" ] Re: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) [Russell Milliner ] Re: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) [Patrick McMillan >the Quadra I believe ran hardware cards of the "Nubus" variety, which is the >>functional equivalent of Betamax tapes in your VHS VCR. If all is working in the computer, would it likely have usable fun stuff? I've never been much into Macs. Perhaps if we had Thomas sign all of our old, antique computers, we could sell them and make back some of our long-ago spent fortunes... Thanks for the tips. I'm not sure I could get the airlines to check it all as "checked baggage". - -wargun ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:39:51 +0200 From: Subject: Alloy: FW: Who are Bruce Woolley and the Camera Club?? Hi all, 'just drifted back from the ether with a question/comment that you might be able to help with. Paul, our Bruce Woolley expert will surely have an opinion here! It's Sunday and I'm sitting in my office working... I'm off to China tomorrow and have lots of things to sort before I leave. Anyway, I'm sitting here listening to English Garden - like you do - and wondering *why do I like it so much??* 'Never really thought about this much before as I had just taken it on face-value. So then, just who are Bruce Woolley and the camera club?? It seems to me that they are more than just tipping their hats to other bands of the era. Has anyone else noticed this? Dig out your copy and take a listen. Some of these are very reminiscent but I can't put my finger on who. Maybe you can help. See 4 and 5 for the easiest examples. There is no doubt in my mind at all here but some of the others are more difficult. 1. English Garden. They are ?? (A Flock of Seagulls...) 2. Video Killed The Radio Star. They are the Buggles (or rather the Buggles were them) 3. Dancing with the sporting boys. They are ?? 4. Johnny. They ARE The Cars. 5. No surrender. They ARE The Fixx. 6. Flying Man. They are ?? 7. You got class. They are ?? 8. W.W.9. They ARE Thomas Dolby (it's a keyboard instrumental) 9. Clean/Clean. They ARE The Cars again! 10. Get away William. they are ?? 11. Goodbye to Yesterday. They are ?? 13. You're the circus (I'm the clown). They are The Police (early Police) Maybe it's just me but somehow I don't think so. What do you think? I would be interested in knowing your collective opinions. 'Hope all are well. Needless to say it is very white in Finland now... Cheers! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:54:10 -0500 From: "Andy Venables" Subject: Alloy: recent TD mentions on usenet Google's a wonderful thing... alt.culture.us.1980s "Who today is like Thomas Dolby or Howard Jones or Tears For Fears or Duran Duran or Paul Young or Simple Minds or... ??? Nobody, that's who." uk.music.alternative "Anyone else love/hate 'New Sacred Cow?' Bits of it sound like Thomas Dolby's 'Golden Age of Wireless' to me...which is a compliment, btw" uk.people.parents "Europa again was on the list of names I had for India, and although we both liked it we were worried that she would get called Ropey, so we didn't choose it. But I heard Europa and the Pirate Twins by Thomas Dolby on the radio very late in my pregnancy which reminded me of the name again" rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled > So I'm driving my 03 VR6 GTI and masturbating. When I hit the magic 110mph > mark, my love exploded all over my gray leather interior and I thought about > my mother. Anyone else had this driving experience? Yeah. Thomas Dolby, and it was a Ferrari. rec.audio.opinion Re: Best Sounding LP's "Thomas Dolby's The Flat Earth. I know it's mostly synthesizers, but the detail is incredible, and it sounds clean and punchy." alt.tv.simpsons "By the way, is it just me, or does Sideshow Bob look a little like Thomas Dolby's demented cousin?" +AndyJ+ - -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 05:05:27 -0500 From: "Andy Venables" Subject: Alloy: TD in PCW British PC magazine Personal Computer World, Jan 2004 edition, a little 1/4 page item on itunes not being available in Europe : British pop artist Thomas Dolby said: "Copyright laws dating back decades or even a century are being invoked today in the legal system to put the brakes on the inevitable, which is happening too fast for the entertainment industry to cope with." Dolby believes file downloading has a lot of potential once the legal issues have been resolved. "We're in an awkward transition period," he said, relishing the idea that the physical distribution networks of the major publishers were turning into "an albatross around their necks". That's all, no pictures. I doubt I'll post again before 2004, so I'll take this opportunity to wish you all a darn fine Crimbo, and all the best for the new one. Toodle pip, +AndyJ+ - -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:35:07 -0500 From: "Michael & Denise" Subject: Alloy: Dolby Lists & Crackers Prize Hi gang, I wanted to chip in my Dolby XMas list as well as congratulate Crackers on obtaining a holy grail to TMDR fans everywhere! I would have loved to have owned that myself but I knew it would be out of my range and I try to make a point not to bid against fellow fans since we just end up hurting each other financially! I thought that was the keyboard that Thomas used on the Joan Rivers show back around 1987 but alas Crackers, he was using a black Yamaha unit so my hopes of providing you with some great footage of Thomas playing your Casio were dashed. Anyone that might have missed my offer from last year would not recall that I have the '85 Grammy Jam on VHS (viewable but in b/w thanks to my funky VCR from those days) as well as an 1984 MTV London Calling interview plus the Joan Rivers appearance available to anyone that would like a copy. Feel free to contact me off of Alloy if you're interested. I also have duplicates of most of TMDR's albums on vinyl so if anyone is trying to fill a want list just let me know what you need and I'd be glad to try and help out. My personal want list would include: a)The Aliens Ate My Buick promo car b)Close But No Cigar promo box c)A new album by the man himself! Ah well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad;)! Congrats again Crackers and Happy Holidays to all of Alloy! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:08:40 -0500 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) I would have to think about the autograph conservation (plastic and metallic marker is out of my league, but it's something I'm sure I'll face in the future with conservation) I would be concerned using anything liquid over the autograph, as the solvent in the coating might be the same as in the pen & it might dissolve or blur it. It does seem like the safest thing to do would be to apply a clear archival (acid-free, UV filtering) tape over it. I can find some leads for you on this if you like. There are lots of clear repair tapes for book repair & encapsulation that are archival. There's the old stand-by of doing tests with various things on a similar piece of plastic/metallic marker and seeing what does the best job. You're right about priming the piece first. I have no idea how a layer of clear acrylic might take to unprepared plastic or to metallic marker; it might only flake off & take the autograph with it, as you fear. For the dried on tape adhesive, if you want to try scraping it off, I've sometimes had luck with a very sharp blade, and very delicately scraping the top of the surface of the adhesive. In other words, I wouldn't start at the plastic surface and try to lift the adhesive off. If you bring it down layer by layer with a curve-shaped blade (it will give you more control - a scalpel blade would work well) you can slowly get the worst of it off.. then try the Goo-Gone again. Good luck & tell us how it goes! xx ~r ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:34:12 -0700 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) Well, with what Thomas made on these auctions, he should just fly up to Canada and sign it again, this time with a black Sharpe marker :-) - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: RE: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) > > I would have to think about the autograph conservation (plastic and metallic > marker is out of my league, but it's something I'm sure I'll face in the > future with conservation) > > I would be concerned using anything liquid over the autograph, as the > solvent in the coating might be the same as in the pen & it might dissolve > or blur it. It does seem like the safest thing to do would be to apply a > clear archival (acid-free, UV filtering) tape over it. I can find some > leads for you on this if you like. There are lots of clear repair tapes for > book repair & encapsulation that are archival. > > There's the old stand-by of doing tests with various things on a similar > piece of plastic/metallic marker and seeing what does the best job. You're > right about priming the piece first. I have no idea how a layer of clear > acrylic might take to unprepared plastic or to metallic marker; it might > only flake off & take the autograph with it, as you fear. > > For the dried on tape adhesive, if you want to try scraping it off, I've > sometimes had luck with a very sharp blade, and very delicately scraping the > top of the surface of the adhesive. In other words, I wouldn't start at the > plastic surface and try to lift the adhesive off. If you bring it down layer > by layer with a curve-shaped blade (it will give you more control - a > scalpel blade would work well) you can slowly get the worst of it off.. then > try the Goo-Gone again. > > Good luck & tell us how it goes! > > xx > ~r ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:07:29 -0500 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: RE: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) Another thing that just occured to me: would covering the autograph with clear tape change its "value"? If the autograph could be fixed by some other means, would it be better not to seal it away even with clear tape? or does that make any difference? Would it be better to maybe cover the autograph with a piece of acid-free card, to keep it from being rubbed? This way the card could be lifted and the autograph still looked at in its original condition, when you want to show it. I would love to see it personally to get some idea of it in my mind. I've dealt with autographed books (the solution is to preserve the book in the usual way) and violins by famous makers (the signature or mark usually being safely concealed inside the bass-side f) Then there's the clear nail polish option, of course.. clear nail polish is the woman's version of duct tape... it's the answer to everything :) xx ~r ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:07:45 -0500 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: > Then there's the clear nail polish option, of course.. clear nail polish is > the woman's version of duct tape... it's the answer to everything :) And what clear nail polish won't do, nail polish remover will. My friend who works at a museum recommended either gentle scraping or non-acitone nail polish remover to remove the hardened tape residue. Covering it with a card wouldn't work too well. The autograph would end up transfering to the card. Clear nail polish sounds like it might work though. I'll have to test it out on one of my other keyboards first. I'm not even sure if permanent sharpie would stick to this plastic too well, perhaps if the plastic was roughened a bit first with some very very fine sandpaper it would adhere well. I do know that if he autographed it with duct tape residue and then it was allowed to harden it would be damned near impossible to get off later. ^_^ Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastlycomic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:19:18 -0500 From: Russell Milliner Subject: Re: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) I wonder if there may be a way to dry/bake the ink on. Possibly using a hair dryer on high heat may be able to affix the ink? Dunno, but a thought. - -Russ Crackers wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robin Thurlow" >To: > > >>Then there's the clear nail polish option, of course.. clear nail polish >> >> >is > > >>the woman's version of duct tape... it's the answer to everything :) >> >> > >And what clear nail polish won't do, nail polish remover will. My friend who >works at a museum recommended either gentle scraping or non-acitone nail >polish remover to remove the hardened tape residue. > >Covering it with a card wouldn't work too well. The autograph would end up >transfering to the card. Clear nail polish sounds like it might work though. >I'll have to test it out on one of my other keyboards first. > >I'm not even sure if permanent sharpie would stick to this plastic too well, >perhaps if the plastic was roughened a bit first with some very very fine >sandpaper it would adhere well. > >I do know that if he autographed it with duct tape residue and then it was >allowed to harden it would be damned near impossible to get off later. ^_^ > > >Crackers > >Ghastly's Ghastly Comic >http://ghastlycomic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:28:32 -0800 From: Patrick McMillan Subject: Re: Alloy: D-50 is Sold (and how!) We use Krylon Matte Fixative for covering artwork that we don't want to smear. (Sensitive pieces can be sprayed in a succession of very light coats which are allowed to dry completely before a new coat is added. This should get around the solvent/metallic marker compatibility issue.) As Robin suggests, you really ought to do a test on less precious subjects. Then if you prefer a glossy coat Krylon also makes a variety of UV inhibiting varnishes, also in spray cans that should do nicely. My favorite is "Crystal Clear" which provides a tough shiny durable coat. Again, do multiple passes instead of heavy drippy attempts. You may also want to mask off areas that you don't want any spray on. (Opportunity here for an interesting shape, as over time and use the edges of your mask may accumulate dust, grease....eh....duct tape goo.) You also shouldn't plan on breathing anywhere near where you are spraying....and though outdoors is ideal it probably shouldn't be attempted below 60 degrees. (You can warm spray cans in a pot of warm water to get them to the right temperature, but don't try this with the AZ-1 :) . A warm garage, perhaps? A very light sanding (800 grit) is a good idea as paint tends to separate itself from plastic over time. Sanding it will give the plastic a "tooth". And make sure that whatever you uses doesn't yellow, as most varnishes are prone to do. (Check label.) Other lethal toxins to try on the duct tape: acetone (nail polish remover on steroids) lacquer thinner (will dissolve plastic, skin, brain cells, nerve endings...) bestine thinner (same as above but less so....found in art stores) or the stuff that Judge doom used in Who Framed Roger Rabbit to snuff out toons (Probably all of the above combined) go find a graphic artist friend who hasn't gone completely digital (or mad) so you don't have to go buy all of this horrible stuff. Just a dab'll do. patrick On Dec 15, 2003, at 4:19 PM, Russell Milliner wrote: > > I wonder if there may be a way to dry/bake the ink on. Possibly using > a hair dryer on high heat may be able to affix the ink? Dunno, but a > thought. > -Russ > > Crackers wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" >> >> To: >> >>> Then there's the clear nail polish option, of course.. clear nail >>> polish >>> >> is >> >>> the woman's version of duct tape... it's the answer to everything :) >>> >> >> And what clear nail polish won't do, nail polish remover will. My >> friend who >> works at a museum recommended either gentle scraping or non-acitone >> nail >> polish remover to remove the hardened tape residue. >> >> Covering it with a card wouldn't work too well. The autograph would >> end up >> transfering to the card. Clear nail polish sounds like it might work >> though. >> I'll have to test it out on one of my other keyboards first. >> >> I'm not even sure if permanent sharpie would stick to this plastic >> too well, >> perhaps if the plastic was roughened a bit first with some very very >> fine >> sandpaper it would adhere well. >> >> I do know that if he autographed it with duct tape residue and then >> it was >> allowed to harden it would be damned near impossible to get off >> later. ^_^ >> >> >> Crackers >> >> Ghastly's Ghastly Comic >> http://ghastlycomic.com ------------------------------ End of alloy-digest V8 #211 ***************************