From: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org (alloy-digest) To: alloy-digest@smoe.org Subject: alloy-digest V8 #118 Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org Sender: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-alloy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. alloy-digest Thursday, July 17 2003 Volume 08 : Number 118 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Alloy: Penny Brown Is Really Among The Missing... ["p.latham2" ] Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon ["Crackers" ] Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon [PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: Penny Brown Is Really Among The Missing... Oops - well sorry folks - it appears ive poss.passed something on that may not be true - I would usually delete emails like this myself - but as i got it from Bruce Woolley I presumed this one may poss be true. - though im putting no blame on him as he probably passed it on just the same. Or if its true lets hope somebody finds her. Cheers Paul (in a very very very hot Blackpool) - ----- Original Message ----- From: PRAEst76 To: hubcity@exit109.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Alloy: Penny Brown Is Really Among The Missing... > > hubcity sed: > > > ..because it's unlikely that she exists. > > Well the little girl in the photo exists I'm sure. I wish she'd come > out and tell everyone she's ok, or that's she tired of seeing these > emails about her or something. > > I'd say at least some of these start of legitimately but they go > around for ages and ages and frankly they discredit any legitimate > mails by desparate parents looking children. > > Personally I'm so clinical that I delete any emails like this people > send to me. Virtually anything that asks me to forward it. I > especially don't like anything that smells of emotional manipulation. > Perhaps I'm commending small children to death but I'm probably doing > that anyway by buying cheap shoes or something. > > This girl is missing though still: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3067517.stm > > > Now to get back on topic: Thomas, didja notice Bruce's e-mail there? How's > > about a little theramin on the new record? > > Not if it causes more delays :) > > -- > PRAEst76 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:45:40 -0400 From: "Robin Thurlow" Subject: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon This email was sent to me personally and not to the List (mysteriously Jon has the address to owner-alloy and not to alloy - a computer glitch?) though it is obviously intended for everyone. I'm forwarding it to the List & will reply to it soon after :) xx ~robin Hi all, you want Thomas Dolby videos on DVD? Just go to ebay and buy-em! I am usually a staunch supporter of anti-piracy but as these are not available by any other means and not likely to be either as far as I know so I bought them anyway. Disclaimer: If they are ever released officially I will be a the very front of the queue to get my 'royalty-paid' copies. Those of you that know my 'completist' collecting hangup will understand that. (If got 14 copies of The Flat Earth for heavens sake!) You can get GAOW and LW, the quality of picture and sound are excellent as they have been taken from laserdiscs. I paid USD 12 each. Don't torment yourselves any longer. The guy that I bought from has the ebay ID 'antisoshal' and he really seems to know what he is doing technically as the results speak for themselves. He was very helpful and completely straight up about everything. I just checked ebay and couldn't find them listed at the moment but you can contact him at antisoshal@aol.com . (NO I'm not on commission!) I'm only doing this as I know that there are several of you out there that would really like to have the convenience of a DVD copy. For a start it preserves the royalty-paid' VHS tape that will wear out in time. I made a VHS copy of mine (3-copies...) ages ago so that I wouldn't wear the originals out. I think that is legal to do anyway. Anyway. If you want to have them they are available and I certainly was very happy to get mine and enjoy the tracks much more often now they are more accessible on DVD format. I wish that I had the three late videos. I've never seen any of them. For my sins I'm off to see the stones tonight at Helsinki Olympic Stadium. They may be old codgers now but I'm heading that way myself! Always a great show. Who knows, this might really be the last tour. All live music is worth seeing anyway. Have a nice day all. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon Jon, I agree with you in these special circumstances. If the companies who own the copyright won't be good enough to release the material, then to me it means they don't care about the revenue. Plus it's sort of poetic because the artist was almost always screwed over for royalties and ownership by these companies in the first place. It's good to see the groundswell of interest keeping the work circulating in spite of those bastards. Ownership of work is what especially irks me. I always think the creator of any artistic work should have the final say in what happens to it. To my knowledge, Thomas has never said anything about fans trading/buying/selling his previous publicly-released stuff that isn't available commercially anymore. Though if I'm wrong about this, I'm certain Mr. Dolby will correct me. xx ~r SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:25:58 -0600 From: "Keith Stansell" Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon I'd like to hear Thomas' take on this. I know he was very protective of those soundtrack files he presented to us a few years ago. Those could be considered "special circumstances" as well. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon > > Jon, I agree with you in these special circumstances. If the companies who own the copyright won't be good enough to release the material, then to me it means they don't care about the revenue. Plus it's sort of poetic because the artist was almost always screwed over for royalties and ownership by these companies in the first place. It's good to see the groundswell of interest keeping the work circulating in spite of those bastards. Ownership of work is what especially irks me. I always think the creator of any artistic work should have the final say in what happens to it. To my knowledge, Thomas has never said anything about fans trading/buying/selling his previous publicly-released stuff that isn't available commercially anymore. Though if I'm wrong about this, I'm certain Mr. Dolby will correct me. > > xx > ~r > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Robin Thurlow Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon He was very clear about not wanting his unreleased soundtrack files shared. But there may be a huge difference between that, and the material that had been widely published and available to the public, but is now no longer available. It's the artist who should always have the final word in matters like this. xx ~r Keith Stansell wrote: I'd like to hear Thomas' take on this. I know he was very protective of those soundtrack files he presented to us a few years ago. Those could be considered "special circumstances" as well. - -Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Thurlow" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon > > Jon, I agree with you in these special circumstances. If the companies who own the copyright won't be good enough to release the material, then to me it means they don't care about the revenue. Plus it's sort of poetic because the artist was almost always screwed over for royalties and ownership by these companies in the first place. It's good to see the groundswell of interest keeping the work circulating in spite of those bastards. Ownership of work is what especially irks me. I always think the creator of any artistic work should have the final say in what happens to it. To my knowledge, Thomas has never said anything about fans trading/buying/selling his previous publicly-released stuff that isn't available commercially anymore. Though if I'm wrong about this, I'm certain Mr. Dolby will correct me. > > xx > ~r > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:38:23 -0400 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon Speaking of copying... Can someone please put Lars "My babies are starving" Ulrich out of our collective fucking misery? http://www.411mania.com/music/news/article.php?news_id=3586 Two chords does not constitute a copyright! Hell, 90% of modern music uses the same basic I-IV-V patterns. Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:37:17 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon Crackers sed: > Speaking of copying... > Can someone please put Lars "My babies are starving" Ulrich out of our > collective fucking misery? > http://www.411mania.com/music/news/article.php?news_id=3586 > Two chords does not constitute a copyright! Hell, 90% of modern music uses > the same basic I-IV-V patterns. Just to confirm: You do know this is a joke? - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:49:46 -0400 From: Spencer2424@aol.com Subject: Alloy: Unsubscribe? Say, could someone refresh my memomry on how to unsubscribe from the Alloy mailing list? Thanks. - - Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:56:01 -0700 From: Jon Drukman Subject: Re: Alloy: Unsubscribe? At 11:49 AM 7/16/2003, Spencer2424@aol.com wrote: >Say, could someone refresh my memomry on how to unsubscribe from the Alloy >mailing list? Thanks. > >- Craig every mail to the list contains the info: Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:14:37 -0400 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRAEst76" > > Just to confirm: You do know this is a joke? > Arrrrgh!!! I've been punked! Damn. Now what am I going to do with all this testosteroine, adrenaline, and rightious indignation I've got built up? Anyone care to put on a frilly french maid uniform and lay across my lap for a bare bottomed spanking? I mean there's no point in letting it all go to waste. /hangs head in shame. Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:07:07 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: Unsubscribe? Jon sed: > every mail to the list contains the info: > Sender: owner-alloy@smoe.org > Reply-To: alloy@smoe.org > X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "alloy-request@smoe.org" > X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. List-Unsubscribe: Would be the correct header. Never seen any software support the X-To-Unsubscribe: header and I'm sure few people that want that information would even know to look there. - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:11:35 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon Crackers sed: > Now what am I going to do with all this testosteroine, adrenaline, and > rightious indignation I've got built up? What? this is Lar 'effing' Ulrich... you don't need a reason. I want to slap him just because he's richer than me. > Anyone care to put on a frilly > french maid uniform and lay across my lap for a bare bottomed spanking? I > mean there's no point in letting it all go to waste. > /hangs head in shame. /me hitches up my frilly maids skirt and lays across Crackers lap. Just to confirm: I'm not going to be charged for this? - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:42:54 -0400 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: forwarded message from Jon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRAEst76" > /me hitches up my frilly maids skirt and lays across Crackers lap. > > Just to confirm: I'm not going to be charged for this? No, if I charge for spankings I lose my amature status and can no longer compete in the olympics. For those of you who were wondering what got me so outraged. The news article I posted a link to posted a link to the website they got their source from which looked exactly like an MTV website but was actually the satire "news" website ScoopThis.com (kind of like "The Onion"). I'm ashamed that someone as net savy as I am didn't look at the link's URL before I reacted but the truth is, they did such a good job copying the layout of the MTV website and this does so very much seem like something Lars Ulrich would do that I got pulled into it hook line and sinker. Appearently a number of radio stations have gotten suckered into it to. It's kind of like the time that Beijing newspaper printed an article from "The Onion" about the US Congress threatening to relocate out of Washington DC if they didn't get a new stadium. Although I'm having a very good laugh over this. They got me. They got plenty of others too. Well done ScoopThis. The ScoopThis fake MTV site has been taken down, but here's a copy of the article that was posted there so that those of you who didn't get a chance to see it can enjoy it too. - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- MONTREAL - Metallica are taking legal action against independant Canadian rock band Unfaith over what they feel is unsanctioned usage of two chords the band has been using since 1982 : E and F. "People are going to get on our case again for this, but try to see it from our point of view just once," stated Metallica's Lars Ulrich. "We're not saying we own those two chords, individually - that would be ridiculous. We're just saying that in that specific order, people have grown to associate E, F with our music." Metallica filed a trademark infringement suit against the indie group at the US district court for central California on Monday. According to the drummer, the continued use of the two chords causes "confusion, deception and mistake in the minds of the public". Metallica's lawyer, Jill Pietrini, told us that the band decided to take legal action only after first sending a letter of complaint to the Canadian band's singer/songwriter, Erik Ashley. "We sent a demand letter and haven't reached a resolution, so we had to sue," she said. "They continue to shamelessly feature the two chords on their website song samples and we just can't have that." Ashley, in the meantime, is still shocked by the entire story, and hasn't yet decided how the band will respond. "I thought it was a prank at first," he told us. "Now I'm not sure what to think." Ulrich states that he's not trying to prevent Unfaith from using the two chords, only that he feels Metallica should be credited for them whenever used, and is calling for 50% of all revenue generated from any song using them. "It's nothing personal against them," he added. "We intend to enforce our rights with any band intending to use Metallica-branded chords in the future." This marks the first time anything of this kind has ever been tried in court, and it will be interesting to see how things develop. Metallica's website has issued an official statement on the suit here. Unfaith's official website hasn't officially responded at print time. - -Joe D'Angelo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Well now that the coast is clear I think I'll go write a song with E and F chords in it. Crackers Ghastly's Ghastly Comic http://ghastly.keenspace.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:07:30 +0100 From: "Tom Boon" Subject: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V8 #117: This little group is missing This little group is missing some new music by Thomas Dolby Maybe if every one passes this on someone will hear some music. The internet circulates even overseas South America, and Canada etc. (but probably not any other land masses). Some people believe that Thomas Dolby music has been missing for several years. Only recently we had a report from a member of the Alloy support group that some of the music had been sighted in two "New Wave" DVD compilations, but this is unconfirmed. "We just can't find what Thomas Dolby's music offers anywhere else," said another tearful Alloyite. "Nobody matches the combination of wit and emotion that he brings to the party. It ticks me off to read about him solely in a 1980s context, because his work is just as relevant today. I am sure it is not too late and all prayers are appreciated!!" Luckily not all Alloyites are downhearted. "Lemme tell ya about the hot lesbian sex scene I'm drawing for next week's comic," said Crackers. Intriguingly, in some circles Dolby is blamed for the spate of "missing person" e-mails that regularly swing around the Web. "Yup, he's the guilty party all right," said a spokesperson. "They are apparently all direct variants of something he wrote some years ago. I have the proof right here. You ready? Here goes. Ahem. 'One of our submarines is missing tonight. Seems she ran aground on manoeuvres.' " Thank you for your kindness. Hopefully you can help us. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:18:02 +0100 From: PRAEst76 Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V8 #117: This little group is missing Tom sed: > Intriguingly, in some circles Dolby is blamed for the spate of "missing > person" e-mails that regularly swing around the Web. "Yup, he's the > guilty party all right," said a spokesperson. "They are apparently all > direct variants of something he wrote some years ago. I have the proof > right here. You ready? Here goes. Ahem. 'One of our submarines is > missing tonight. Seems she ran aground on manoeuvres.' " Dammit... that's a missed opportunity for a publicity campaign for the Submarines ep. Posters posted on telegraph poles and subways in major cities. A photo of a submarine with the words underneath "Have you seen this submarine?"... - -- PRAEst76 http://www.cancellation.freeserve.co.uk/praest76/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:08:15 -0400 From: "Crackers" Subject: Re: Alloy: RE: alloy-digest V8 #117: This little group is missing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PRAEst76" > Dammit... that's a missed opportunity for a publicity campaign for the > Submarines ep. Posters posted on telegraph poles and subways in major > cities. A photo of a submarine with the words underneath "Have you > seen this submarine?"... Now that would be great fun to do. MISSING: SUBMARINE Has been missing since tonight. Last seen on manouevres. Contains large stone, heavy water, and family history. If found please contact The British Empire immediately. Thank you. 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